Shinji Kagawa | Signs for Manchester United
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
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Not really. I think it's the other way around. A lot of smaller clubs get screwed over just because there is only one year left on their best players contract and he refuses to sign a new one.
The Özil deal for example was a complete joke. Bremen totally got ripped off with that 15 mio. € fee imo. but they had to swallow it or accept he would be gone the next year without getting any money.
If you want a player one year before his contract ends you need to pay the full amount the player is worth imo or say you won't pay it and wait another year to get the player for free.
It would be great news for them as they will have a player thats not just rooney to play off them
Owen, Berbatov and probably Macheda out. I doubt one AMC coming in will hurt them that much. With 60-ish games in a season they will still get plenty of games. Knowing our injury record there will be games where Kagawa has to play wide left with 2 up front anyway.
I don't think Rooney is all that good in the hole. I prefer him up front and think he could thrive with an attacking midfielder behind him. I don't buy this whole it will block Welbeck's development thing - if anything it'll spur him on to greater things. Our formation is going to be a lot more flexible and it can only be a good thing.
...not sure that we would play Kagawa behind Rooney and Welbs/Chicharito, at least in important games at home and in away games. Kagawa and Rooney in the starting XI could mean more bench time for Welbs than last season and less appear. for Chicha.
OK, I might be wrong
As if you know any more than anyone else.
Typical - "we didn't want you anyway" about Hazard. I don't know if United did want him but they have never denied the story even when they were alleged to have made a bid and offered personal terms.
Fergie looks for Value in the market - but he paid £20 million for a 19 year old centre back we arguably didn't need last year - suggesting that if he thinks a player is going to be a real star (and if the money is there) he'll commit.
As things stand signing a player like Kagawa makes commercial sense - if you ignore the fact that he could have left for free next summer and/or signed a pre contract in January. That said, I'm pleased to see the club finally throwing some cash at the midifeld problem. Hopefully it continues.
How likely was that to happen? I mean, come on.
He tends to attract a lot of attention in the central attack, just outside the box. This will leave Tony V, Nani, and Young with lots of space to work with.
This is brilliant. He is comfortable on both feet, isn't he?
If we can get Kagawa, a centre midfielder and maybe a full back, it will be a great summer for the club.
If we can get Kagawa, a centre midfielder and maybe a full back, it will be a great summer for the club.
This is a very big point of the deal imo. Yes he is a fantastic player, but the marketing opportunities it would open up for us in Japan are absolutely huge. Every Japanese fan is going to want to have a United Kagawa shirt. In Asia they seem to follow certain players as much, if not more than the actual teams. The transfer fee will be recouped in no time.
4-4-2 is a dying formation - too many top sides pack the midfield and overrun you if you don't go man for man.
This season we've seen Fergie having to use Park wide on the left to redress the balance, and/or use Rooney as a link up player when he's played his best football (and scored the most goals) upfront.
To me an attacking midfielder is a must - as well as at least one central player.
£16 million.
Very happy if this is true, honestly Kagawa may not have the raw talent that Hazard does, but he's less than half the price, probably half the wages, and has established himself in a better team in a better league. And hopefully now we can use that remaining £15m on a central fecking midfielder!
I was never too keen on signing both him and Hazard, one or the other, and I'll happily take Kagawa!
Brwned was there first:
https://www.redcafe.net/f7/quality-players-europe-237310/index3.html#post8758274
https://www.redcafe.net/f7/quality-players-europe-237310/index3.html#post8758274
Depends how badly he wants to come to United. Admittedly it would increase competition but for a Japanese player it would make sense to come to United over a lot of other clubs.
I'll be happy if we bring him in, as I think my post reflects, but it just amused me that the post I was responding too was talking about "value".
Good point, but we do not know next year's market so it's a risk if we really do want this player.
Dont mind Kagawa at all if whatever we bid on Hazard can be used to get a fecking CM.
A summer of Kagawa+ quality CM >>>>> Kagawa+Hazard for me.
A summer of Kagawa+ quality CM >>>>> Kagawa+Hazard for me.
Players as highly rated/sought after as Kagawa don't run their contracts down. Dortmund would never have let it happen. From the moment he refused to sign a new contract it was a case of who he signs for this summer not whether or not he stays. I hope he ends up at United but if we can't cut a deal he'll end up somewhere like Arsenal.
It's a bit like Ashley Young actually. He was too good a player to try and quietly run his contract down, so it wasn't difficult for the selling club to kick off an auction. It's actually incredibly rare for players to run their contracts down, unless they're at the very end of their career. Chamakh and Squillacci are the only players I can think of who joined a CL club in that manner and they're both shit.
Definitely and the combination of him being adept with both feet and having terrific vision to release attacking players will pay dividends, I believe
I think my favorite thing about him is his ability to change direction and wrong foot defenders, even at pace...There will be a ton of highlights of him in beautiful buildups by next summer in United's shirt
This excellent news. I'm more excited by this lad than Hazard. That may sound like an after the event statement as I hoped we'd sign both, but the Hazard transfer was half about the actual excitement and tension in the transfer thread than an actually reflection on the quality of the player. Not that Hazard doesn't look good.
This just really feels like a proper United signing to me and a player who is coming from a big club with some winners medals.
I do think we have to looking at a deeper lying central midfielder also though, either a creative player to play alongside Carrick (Scholes replacement) or a true ball winner to free up Carrick a little and allow the development of Cleverly in that more creative tempo capacity.
So far me Modric or M'Vila type player.
This just really feels like a proper United signing to me and a player who is coming from a big club with some winners medals.
I do think we have to looking at a deeper lying central midfielder also though, either a creative player to play alongside Carrick (Scholes replacement) or a true ball winner to free up Carrick a little and allow the development of Cleverly in that more creative tempo capacity.
So far me Modric or M'Vila type player.
Ballack went on a free transfer - twice. From Bayern to Chelsea and from Chelsea to Leverkusen. Other than that I don't really remember any (more) high-profile players going for free.
If we're being honest, Kagawa doesn't have the upper level talent that Hazard does, Eden is a rarity but that doesn't make Shinji a slouch...Because as we all know, at the end of the day, it's T-E-A-M...And Kagawa is a huge asset, I believe, and will make a model teammate compared to the potential circus with Hazard
Won't feel like that for some supporters, I'm sure, and I understand that...But from an outsider's perspective, Kagawa > Hazard, for United
To be honest, I wouldn't really want you playing for the club.
From the vid, he seems to be a good alternative to Cleverly. It'd be a good deal, especially with Tom prone to injury just now. Hopefully it's completed soon.
What's his preseason looking like? Is he going to be in Japan's Olympics squad?
True, Sol Campbell maybe? I can't think of any other "world class" players that have managed to leave clubs on a free.
Kicker ie the source that said Martinez to Bayern last week?
Hmmm..
Very happy of true though.
Hmmm..
Very happy of true though.
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Hmm, not overly similar players, and Kagawa is quite frankly, better.
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You don't have to be a multi skilled superstar to be very effective. I sometimes watch Antonio Valencia and scream at him for not using his left foot, however he is one of the most effective wingers in the premiership, if not europe on his day. For all Nani's superior skill, it's still a toss up over who I'd prefer to have in the team on any given day.
I approve of this news if true.
I think if a player is hell bent on leaving it is not in either parties interests to let the contract run down. The club have an unhappy player and lose out on a transfer fee and the player doesn't want to be at the club
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Valencia every time!
Oh bugger off with the Valencia - Nani debates you numpties, been done to death.
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