I agree, people have been saying the same thing for years.
There's still people on here who advocate signing him, thus diminishing the chances of one of our rising young stars. It's madness.
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I agree, people have been saying the same thing for years.
There's still people on here who advocate signing him, thus diminishing the chances of one of our rising young stars. It's madness.
We need it anyway. If Carrick goes down for any good stretch of time we're screwed. Down to Pogba and then Tunnicliffe in terms of defensive and/or holding players.
Replace Hazard with Mata and it's last summer all over again.
I think with persistance though Torres will become a good player just perhaps not to the same level as before.
17.5 mil is decent cash for a player who's played as well as he has over the last 2 years in what's a cracking Dortmund team overall. Do ya even watch football outside of the premier league? How much would we have paid for hazard? Ah but that doesn't matter does it he's the best thing since sliced fecking bread became pre packed.
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Isn't Pogba gone to Juve?
Yes you are spot on, that is exactly the type of player Sahin is, except that he is more forceful and comfortable in possession than Carrick, and more dictatorial like Scholes with his passing.
The point of another Carrick is that we have only one player like him in our whole squad. Had he been injured for any length of time last season, we had not one single other player who could do that job effectively. Sahin would provide an alternative for both Carrick and Scholes, and greatly increase our tactical options with what he brings to the table.
Having only one DM severely limits our options tactically. We play 4-4-2 because it is the only set up we can use that maximises our attacking threat. Look at our offensively impotent performances using 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 for strong support of that claim. With our players and attacking style we need security in front of the CB's. We cannot go another season with only Carrick there, we were overran repeatedly in Europe due to our lack of defensive cover for the defence, and only one DM in the whole squad certainly didn't help in that regard.
If SAF doesn't sort it out this summer, i have no doubt that we will not improve as effectively or as quickly as we otherwise could.
Those watching him know its the exact opposite. he's very hard to dispossess.
Not the point but emphasises the need for another holding player at least. Regardless of level of ability.
Fergie has said himself that we WONT be buying purely "holding" or defensive midfielders.
He said we tried it with Keane and it flopped big style, so he wont be looking for that role of a player.
He said we tried it with Keane and it flopped big style, so he wont be looking for that role of a player.
Why did he buy Hargreaves then? Or carrick, or what job did Keane actually do next to Scholes if it wasn't to fulfill the more defensive role of the 2?
I wonder if SAF actually knows what a holding midfielder is? They don't have to be fecking Makelele to be a holding player. Carrick is a holding player, even though many may term him a deep lying playmaker when in possession, he is clearly our holding player when we don't have the ball.
His limited experience managing a football club would certain suggest so, wouldn't it.
No I don't reckon he does. We all know better than him though, because we play FIFA and Football Manager computer games.
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No need to be sarcastic Raoul, you surely got my point, and it's a fair one.
Seriously though, how can he claim he has never used them when we clearly have? Carrick, Keane, Hargreaves, Fletcher, O'Shea, P. Neville, Butt. All of those players have fulfilled the holding role for us repeatedly over the past 20 years, so how can he say he has never used one?
The only explanation i can fathom is that Makelele is his definition of a holding player. So what job he thinks Carrick currently does for us is beyond me. Anyway i don't care how he defines it as long as he addresses the fact we only have one in the whole squad.
We don't even have any telecommunication sponsor from Japan, I'm sure we'd get one of those for a few million soon.
Also, whilst the Japanese economy has tanked for decades, they do still have the 3rd highest GDP in the world...
Hargreaves wasn't even a defensive midfielder...
You know i wasn't sure until i saw the Knight Bachelor at the end, then i thought yes of course that proves it!
Anyway, let's get back on subject:
Has he signed yet?
Has he signed yet?
Hargreaves wasn't even a defensive midfielder...
No he was a holding player, that's the fecking point!
no he weren't
Hargreaves? I don't get the fascination of "holding midfielder", Hargreaves was a runner, very good defensive but generally an all-round midfielder.
I'd guess that yes Sir Alex knows what it is but that regardless of who he buys, he won't tell a player to sit. Carrick still goes forward, O'shea did ..but we've not told anyone (with maybe the exception of Keane) to just sit there. That's what i'm assuming. Carrick did just that for a period and got plenty of stick for it lol. We saw more of what he was like in his first two seasons last season when he ventured forward.
According to google translate, we're "the British vice-champion", which I think we can all agree should be how we are widely known from now on.
I'd be made up if he does sign for us. Genuine quality, it can't be doubted.
We do need a midfielder as well though but that's been said a million times already.
Modric as well?
I'm giving in to my inner muppet.
Vice-champions.. I prefer joint 1st better.
What was he then, an AM? He played the more defensive role in any midfield he played in, that by definition makes him a holding player.
You are missing the point anyway, are you going to tell me next that carrick doesn't fulfill that role for us currently?
There isn't a fascination, it's simply about the job they do. Hargreaves was not an all round midfielder for anybody, whoever played him played him for his defensive duties in a deep position, that surely has to make him a holding player, just as it does Carrick. It doesn't mean they cannot do anything else, it just means that is the job they do for the team.
Lets keep this thread on topic.
Stop with the FM bullshit. DM, AM nonsense.
He was a midfielder. Good defensively, good on the ball, good running with it. Good crossing, decent passing range. He was a complete midfielder.
He was a midfielder. Good defensively, good on the ball, good running with it. Good crossing, decent passing range. He was a complete midfielder.
Always seen a Makelele or even Mikel as the quintessential holding midfielder. Hargreaves did too much running for me to be brought into this bracket.
He was certainly a defensive minded CM, but I wouldn't ever call him a holding mid.
After Carrick scored his goal against QPR he clearly stated in the interview he's instructed to play deeper and hold back from attacking. Froggie probably means we won't be signing someone like Lassana Diara or Cattermole, and that sits just fine with me.
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I dont like Hazard seems to be too self obsessed.
Look how much Real paid for ozil and Sahin - werent they in their last year of their contracts?
About £12m tops without any add ons.
I dont get it one the one hand their is no value but then we get our arms twisted behind our backs in transfer dealings.
Sahin had a release clause. Ozil cost ~15m euros.
But isn't 5 million of that 17.5 million add-ons? The actual fee is around 12.7 million right? Bloody brilliant price if you ask me, and I like add-odds, the selling club only get the cash if the player does well, which is great all round.
Yep. If true, it is a pretty decent price.
People will always look for something to moan about.
when would you see a holding player being on the right and crossing it into the box? He just had an engine...
Carrick the last two seasons yes last season I don't think so but I think your missing the point. Players rotate. I don't Sir Alex wants that, to have to tell a player..you sit and protect..I don't think ideally that's what we are after. We want someone with legs.
Back on topic! Japans definately an untapped market for us. Technically they've come a long way and would give most nations a game. Hopefully we'll sign him asap
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