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Shinji Kagawa | Signs for Manchester United
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Great spot.
Jesus but you are always such a depressing git on this forum.
Definitely a discussion for another thread, but Aimar is all about assists and end product, or at least he was at his prime. Even now at 32 and unable to play full games he's got 9 assists in 24 league appearances, which is the same number as Iniesta has got in 27 for Barcelona this season. Obviously I'm not saying he's anywhere near as good as Iniesta (it's a weaker league for a start), I'm just using Iniesta as a comparison because he's the kind of player who is is widely touted to have a good end-product (except for goals mind)
I'm sticking by my comparison, at the same age there are a lot of comparisons in playing style (through balls, tricks, dribbling). As I said though, Kagawa seems to be quicker and, from his stats, seems to have more of an eye for goal. Really excited for this signing
Iniesta is more about keeping the ball than creating oppertunities too. And I'm talking about Aimar at Valencia where I watched him a lot more than in Portugal. Plus Aimar played off the striker unlike Iniesta.
If it's not sealed by tomorrow then it will be after June 8th
1) Since when has getting taken out from behind by Kevin Davies and suffering a recurrence of the injury been proof of injury proneness?
2) Wayne Rooney.Metatarsal. Familiar?
3) I'm starting to get a bit antsy about signing Shinji Kagawa now. I'd like to hear an announcement from the club that its all done and dusted.
I disagree. Carrick on form for me is as good as a Busquets. Nani I'd take over Sanchez and Pedro any day.
Thanks for judging me mate. I'm actually quite an upbeat person despite all the personal heartbreak I've dealt with these last few years.
I just say things as I seem them. If the team plays like shit then I'm not going to pretend that the team did brilliantly just to get on the good side of people like you that are obviously far better supporters than me.
You speak to other United fans face to face, whine about this, whine about that and that is normality. You come on here and if you do the same you're a cnut.
People called Gareth are always fecking depressing.
Nani I'll agree with, but Busquets is better on the ball than Carrick. If we had Busquets and Carrick in our midfield, then Kagawa, Rooney, Nani and Valencia/Welbeck infront of them, we'd be absolutely sorted. That's a team to challenge anyone.
To be fair, I swear people on here are miles more knowledgeable than your average football fan, whether they're United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs fans or what. I am absolutely aghast sometimes at just how retarded some people are, and how easily swayed people are by the newspapers. It's disturbing.
Not sure it's entirely relevant, or whether it excuses being called a cnut, but I can't stop thinking about it recently and was looking for an excuse to say it.
Anyway, er, Kagawa...why haven't we signed him yet? This is a signing I'm really quite excited about, and I'll probably throw a childish strop and say he's not actually that good and I'm glad we didn't buy him if we don't.
12th..
Cleverley is no where near Xavi in terms of style or ability. He's more like Iniesta, put Scholes in the Xavi role would probably be closer. Which really highlights why we need another midfielder
Forgot, it's half term next week
Cleverley is no where near Xavi in terms of style or ability. He's more like Iniesta, put Scholes in the Xavi role would probably be closer. Which really highlights why we need another midfielder
Seriously?
I Kagawa off school?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...manchester-united-will-make-after-his-signing
5 ways United will change according to the article:
4-3-3 formation, which is similar to the 4-2-3-1 formation
Team will be built around Wayne Rooney
More short passes
More goals to come from midfield
Hernandez and Welbeck to be more flexible
5 ways United will change according to the article:
4-3-3 formation, which is similar to the 4-2-3-1 formation
Team will be built around Wayne Rooney
More short passes
More goals to come from midfield
Hernandez and Welbeck to be more flexible
Fletcher
A d lets be clear, Ando was over-rated before he even bloody signed. The "new Ronaldinho"
Interesting read.
Here is another one. Four reasons why Kagawa can help with the Hazard snub:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...asons-shinji-kagawa-can-help-eden-hazard-snub
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...asons-shinji-kagawa-can-help-eden-hazard-snub
There's no telling where Sir Alex will play Kagawa. He may play him off the front he may play him deeper. Lets not forget that Scholes played as a second striker in 94/95 and gradually moved back into centre midfield. Sir Alex might see capabilities in Kagawa the rest of us don't. Personally I'm just happy that we seem on the verge of signing him come what may.
It's a reasonable suggestion. I just hope Ferguson doesn't continue to play 4-4-2 and stick Kagawa out wide or part of a midfield two. He's clearly more effective played centrally in the attacking third. My guess is in Europe he will adopt a fluid 4-3-3 with Kagawa an ever present. You only have to look at the naive stupidity of last seasons campaign to see why.
Signing him adds an extra dimension to our attacking play, something missing last season. You need different options and flexibility. Keeping possession in a fluid, interchangeable formation will bring results. We will be able to play much more through the centre and this in turn will create more space for our wide players.
4 4 2 is dead. Please, no more. It's 2012, not the 90s.
I like how it says its 4-3-3 but the lineup is exactly 4-2-3-1
Because there are different versions of the 4-3-3.
Main thing is he would give us options. He could play instead of Rooney, instead of Welbeck, possibly as part of a two-man midfield against weaker teams, and even as a wide playmaker.
So get him fecking signed up or else!
So get him fecking signed up or else!
4 3 3 / 4 5 1 / 4 2 3 1 are all very similar though. Plenty of bodies in my midfield, wingers that get involved more centrally and the one striker who drops deep to collect the ball allowing the wingers and extra midfielder to get in attacking positions.
For top clubs 4-4-2 is dead. It's fine for Fulham and other mid table teams.
But still more similar than Cleverley is with XaviBut even Fulham play more of a 4 4 1 1, no? That extra man dropping deep is essential in todays game. I would love United to adapt a system which we use home and away; a system that is drilled into the players like Barca did season before last. None of this choppingvand changing, ONE system every player learns and loves.
Nooo... we need a Big man-small man combo upfront. A modern day Niall Quinn with Rooney.
What is taking so long?
Japan have 3 WC qualifiers in a row.
Why would we want to copy the strategy of a football team we aren't as good as? You seriously think the way to beat Barcelona is to employ the same strategy?
United should, and will, carry on doing what we do best. Attack teams down the flanks. The squad is built to do that and its been a very effective and successful way of playing for this club. Its the United way.
I come to the Kagawa thread to look for some updates & I'm welcomed with this! Unacceptable.
Carrick ain't as good as Busquets, you're kidding yourself to think he is.
I think we do have a system in place, we don't play 4-4-2 against big teams, we play a 4-2-3-1 with Rooney behind the main striker. We've used 4-2-3-1 going back to when Ronaldo and Tevez were in the side. With the exception of 09/10 when we played a 4-3-3 with Rooney as a lone striker.
A bit of a nothing article in my opinion, there's nothing particularly insightful there, I'd argue a lot of the time it's pointing out 'changes' that has already happened.
- 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 formation rather than 4-4-2/4-4-1-1 - For the last couple of seasons I think we've basically played that formation anyway. Rooney has a free role where he drops deep and ends up either in line with the wingers or even behind them (4-2-3-1 rather than 4-4-1-1). They're saying that Kagawa playing that free role between the midfield and the attack will constitute something new, despite the fact that Rooney's been doing it for the last two seasons.
- Team to be built around Wayne Rooney - Team is already built around Wayne Rooney.
- More short passing - At the start of this season the team was built around short passing, we've only started mixing it up as Cleverley and Anderson got injured and Carrick and Scholes (i.e - two players for whom long passing is a strength) became our midfield partnership.
- Goals from midfield - The article says that Kagawa scoring goals from the free role in would constitute 'goals from midfield'. I don't think it does, by that logic Rooney has scored 28 'from midfield' in the league this season.
- Welbeck and Hernandez to be more flexible - Welbeck fair enough, he's played on the wings for Sunderland and for us. In our system at the start of the 2011/12 season our front 4 was very fluid and everyone switched around, nothing new there. Hernandez is a goalscorer, it'd be ridiculous to expect him to be able to play anywhere but as the most advanced striker, he doesn't have the all round attributes in the same way that Rooney or Welbeck has.
Basically the gist seems to be that we'll play exactly like we did at the start of the 2011/12 season, except moving Rooney out of his best position to replace Welbeck and bringing in Kagawa to play that free role. Which may well be the case (although I love the Welbeck-Rooney partnership so I hope not) but still, not really worthy of a 7 page article.
What a horrible article. Thanks for posting R2D2.
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