Shinji Kagawa

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duffer said:
It is quite something to see how much better a player Kagawa is now you've signed him and how much worse Hazard is now Chelsea signed him.
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It's all how you perceive it.
One thing is for sure 40m for Hazard. up to 17m for Kagawa. Which one has the room to live up to expectations?

I'm certainly talking subjectively when I talk about either player.
I'm not going to spoon feed you if you take offence.

Time will tell from either player.
 
duffer said:
It is quite something to see how much better a player Kagawa is now you've signed him and how much worse Hazard is now Chelsea signed him.
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While I agree Hazards been talked down an awful lot in the last week or so, I think the reason people are talking Kagawa up now is simply because people are taking notice of him for the first time and recognising what he's done rather than doing it simply because he's signed for us.
 
Hazard is a massive loss but we are now used to being rejected for the top talents.


We have to be the most rejected football club in football when it comes to securing our main targets. It's quite embarrassing now. We need to push the boat out once in a while.
 
Debbie Downer here really ought to take some meds

I swear every post he makes is irrelevantly negative.
 
duffer said:
Not suprising but still amusing.

Caftards gonna tard.
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kelvinkato77 said:
I don't get some of the responses in here. It's an amazing piece of business provided he stays healthy because, he is really, really good at football. Full stop.

Not even bringing the Asian part of the fictitious equation into it for some of the posters, would they be more content / satisfied if he cost 25 million?

Then there are those (those who aren't joking) honestly questioning his ability because they either haven't seen him enough, or City / Chelsea / Barca / Real Madrid weren't in for him? Give me a fecking break.

He is the exact type of player we've been yearning for, even more so than Hazard. We need creativity high up the pitch through the middle and by all accounts, that's exactly what we are getting. Who out there would be better? Hazard? He doesn't even play through the middle. He wants to, but he hasn't. Hazard is a winger / inside forward.

He's young - just turned 23. So why weren't the others of the European 'elites' in for him? Maybe because every single one of them other than ours truly has a player or two of his ilk. Chelsea has Mata. City has Silva. Real has Ozil. Bayern has Kroos. Barca has like a hundred of them.

So we get the exact type of player we've all been wanting and yet some aren't satisfied. If say City didn't have Silva, we'd have been in a bidding war for Kagawa and it'd been muppet mass suicide. Instead, we get him because not only does he want to be here, but also at a decent fee all because our major competition in the transfer market already has a player or two like him. We should be thankful and hopeful. Hopeful that our patience in addressing this glaring need will pay off on the field. FFS
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From the thread that was locked/deleted:

For me, (though I love the talent of Hazard), I'd be disappointed if we didn't sign Kagawa. He can make the simple pass or the 'killer' pass. The latter is something that I think we've been sorely missing over the last couple of seasons, Giggs aside. From what I've seen of him, he is a tireless worker as well. I think that he would add versatility to the squad in addition to an infusion of youth and talent. Obviously in the Dortmund system he has played a roaming role as an attacking mid / deep lying forward, but personally I think he could slot in several roles depending on our formation / tactics. I think he could play the 'Giggs' role in midfield of a midfield 3 (quite seamlessly IMO). He could be used as an attacking midfielder at the top of a midfield three, play behind the striker and do a job on either wing.

In any of these roles, he has goals in him, whether it be the killer pass or a goal himself. Technically I see him as a very astute dribbler as well. Most importantly (for me) he seems extremely two footed which, at certain positions on the pitch we seem to lack. I like him, a lot. I'd be disappointed to see him go to Arsenal whom I think he'd be great for when I think that he'd be able to play in several roles with United and give us some of the creativity that we have all been clamoring for, in abundance. I'd add that Hazard or no Hazard, I don't think they would be in direct competition for a spot regardless.
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Point is, for various reasons, a lot watched quite a bit of Dortmund over the last two years. They have a lot of interesting talent and they play attractive football.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Hazard is a massive loss but we are now used to being rejected for the top talents.


We have to be the most rejected football club in football when it comes to securing our main targets. It's quite embarrassing now. We need to push the boat out once in a while.
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Embarrassing? You and devilish are a fecking embarrassment to Man United fans, as a great man once said, why don't you feck off and support Chelsea.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Hazard is a massive loss but we are now used to being rejected for the top talents.


We have to be the most rejected football club in football when it comes to securing our main targets. It's quite embarrassing now. We need to push the boat out once in a while.
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This is the 2nd time you've said this now and it's no less cringey
 
I guess that its pointless at this point to say that I disagree with Kingminger myself. The 'bash devilish in every occasion and on posts he hasn't even given an opinion on' is a bit....yawn.
 
kouroux said:
Hazard is a loss ???
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He is a loss. If that wasn't the case United wouldn't have wanted him in the first place. However we moved on by signing Kagawa who had shown that he's quite a great talent too. As long as we tackle our problems with good players Im happy, irrespective on whether they are big names or not.

Lets hope that we add a CM and a LB. We need that.
 
Hazard is a loss? Then what about all the other players we have missed out on over the years? We missed out on Ronaldinho when everyone thought he was destined to join us, that didn't turn out too badly for us. Hazard is a talent no doubt, but to claim it's an embarrassment that we missed out on him is just one of the most stupid statements i've ever heard.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Hazard is a massive loss but we are now used to being rejected for the top talents.


We have to be the most rejected football club in football when it comes to securing our main targets. It's quite embarrassing now. We need to push the boat out once in a while.
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feck me, do you never tire of being a massive spacktard?
 
devilish said:
He is a loss. If that wasn't the case United wouldn't have wanted him in the first place. However we moved on by signing Kagawa who had shown that he's quite a great talent too. As long as we tackle our problems with good players Im happy, irrespective on whether they are big names or not.

Lets hope that we add a CM and a LB. We need that.
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You cannot lose what you didn't have in the first place.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Hazard is a massive loss but we are now used to being rejected for the top talents.


We have to be the most rejected football club in football when it comes to securing our main targets. It's quite embarrassing now. We need to push the boat out once in a while.
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ffs

doesn't this shit ever get old you fecking weasel?

edit. beaten to it
 
KingMinger22 said:
Hazard is a massive loss but we are now used to being rejected for the top talents.


We have to be the most rejected football club in football when it comes to securing our main targets. It's quite embarrassing now. We need to push the boat out once in a while.
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Sort it out ffs.
 
duffer said:
It is quite something to see how much better a player Kagawa is now you've signed him and how much worse Hazard is now Chelsea signed him.
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Amazing, isn't it? Nevermind the fact that this roller-coaster of a general opinion is mostly based on people who have never seen either of them play football.

Personally, I have never seen Hazard play but considering the buzz on here and elsewhere it looks like you have got yourself a future star (and a cnut to boot). On the other hand, I have had a chance to watch Dortmund last season on several occasions and this Kagawa lad was ace. I'm quite happy with how things turned out because I'd rather have cnuts using SB and not OT as a stepping stone to warmer climates.
 
devilish said:
I guess that its pointless at this point to say that I disagree with Kingminger myself. The 'bash devilish in every occasion and on posts he hasn't even given an opinion on' is a bit....yawn.
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Rubbish, you are an attention whore and you actually love it when you are 'bashed'.
 
A united fan is always going to support their player in the same way that a Chelsea fan will back theirs. Who is the better player is difficult to say as the majority on here have only seen them in very limited appearances. It is also pretty irrelevant now to see what they have done in the past, what is important is how they adjust to their new surroundings. Take Veron as am example, world class in Italy but never really performed to his best for United OR Chelsea
 
kouroux said:
You cannot lose what you didn't have in the first place.
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Semantics. We wanted Hazard - we didn't get him. That's a negative.

But, who knows, Kagawa may turn out to be the better player?

We needed an injection of quality, and it appears we've got some. We can be happy with that.
 
Will Absolute said:
Semantics. We wanted Hazard - we didn't get him. That's a negative.

But, who knows, Kagawa may turn out to be the better player?

We needed an injection of quality, and it appears we've got some. We can be happy with that.
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This.
 
Japan play Australia at 1100, I think. Then, he gets to come sign his deal. Hopefully.
 
Sir Matt said:
Japan play Australia at 1100, I think. Then, he gets to come sign his deal. Hopefully.
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No injures...no injuries...no injuries... :nervous:

Let's save the Kagawa/Hazard jibes until we're a few months into the season if not after a whole season is through. We all know it takes some people a season to fit in, while others seem to fit in off the bat and by the end of the season look so awful they're shipped out later.
 
Over the moon we signed Kagawa and more importantly a creative type of player who's not a winger. Still, I agree with Duffer, 99% of people on here were going silly over Eden Hazard and now he's not signed he's been cast off and was never that good anyway. You only had to look at the size of the two threads at the time, even when we were signing Kagawa it was only like 13 pages long and people were still hoping we'd get both.

As I said at the time, Hazard is the Sanchez of the other year (that ******** star hyped signing) and we would not get him, we didn't. We've never spent £40m on a top 25 year old never mind one who's like a Ronaldo/Benzema type younger prospect. Got to be pleased with your Kagawas, Youngs and Valencias as that's what we do, we're not Milan of the 90's or Madrid in 2000 or now. We paid £6m for Hernandez at 21 and if we paid £40m for Hazard at the same age it would wipe out our summer transfer kitty so glad we didn't. Would rather have Jones and Young for that + the change, players who'll be at United for years and be happy in England (obviously).
 
Vidic_In_Moscow said:
Embarrassing? You and devilish are a fecking embarrassment to Man United fans, as a great man once said, why don't you feck off and support Chelsea.
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In fairness, I found devilish' response to the Hazard-Kagawa developments quite reasonable and constructive. I can see why you would drag him into this on past form, but in this case it is unwarranted.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Hazard is a massive loss but we are now used to being rejected for the top talents.


We have to be the most rejected football club in football when it comes to securing our main targets. It's quite embarrassing now. We need to push the boat out once in a while.
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Well, the grass is greener on the other side, always.

We've secured some of the most sought after players in the world; players like Rooney, and now Phil Jones. They didn't become 20 million pound players at the age of 20 or less, by 1 club eyeing them up.

Many many clubs were in for players like that.
Even the liverpool fans are envious of our pulling power.

If you can't take losing a few targets, especially when there's a team offering double the wages, then you should stop following the transfer season!

We're in so much debt; we can't pay agents 6 million, or players like Nasri and Hazard who would've been 23 and 21 at the age we signed them, 150 k a week or more. In 5 years time, what do you think they'll be demanding?

If they're greedy enough to ask for that much at their age, or ask more than they deserve by that much, will that change? I doubt it. They're mercenaries.

I'm very happy we got Kagawa, and I really hope he's got the goods. He certainly seems like he does, and although he's older, he's the Bundesliga player of the season, at age 23. That's some achievement.
 
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