Luka Modric / Signs for Real Madrid

Considering he had little or no support throughout the game I thought he did very well to pick his moments, create a wonderful chance and show some neat touches throughout the match.

Put Xavi with so little support and with defensive work to do I doubt if he would have given one of his better performances, my point is that a midfielder of the ilk of Modric/Xavi need support to be completely effective and dominate like one sees deep lying midfielders do.

Context is necessary when gauging any performance.

No offense but you're stating the obvious. Just look at Ibra surrounded by mediocre water carriers. Let him play with Italy and you should hear a different tune about his ability.

Modric would suite us perfectly but we still need a back up/replacement for Carrick, and that should be our biggest priority if we looking for a balanced squad.
 
I feel that, if we don't move for Modric round about now, we're probably going to be out of the race for him and will then go a long time before sorting out our midfield situation as there really isn't a Scholes-type on the horizon.


Basically its now or never
 
I feel that, if we don't move for Modric round about now, we're probably going to be out of the race for him and will then go a long time before sorting out our midfield situation as there really isn't a Scholes-type on the horizon.


Basically its now or never

l am praying he is the first croat to sign for Utd :drool:

His link up play with the stirkers would be unbelievable. Works well for me on Fifa12 :D
 
Away CL/Tough Prem Games:

------------------DDG------------------
---Rafa------Vidic---Evans------Evra---
------------Carrick---Modric------------
---Valencia-------Kagawa-------Nani---
----------------Rooney----------------

I'd love to see that, technical ability in that team is frightening, getting the ball off us would be pretty difficult! I doubt we'll get Modric now, but you can dream!
 
I feel that, if we don't move for Modric round about now, we're probably going to be out of the race for him and will then go a long time before sorting out our midfield situation as there really isn't a Scholes-type on the horizon.


Basically its now or never

a little dramatic but i agree. we should get in now, agree the deal with spurs, collar him before he goes on holiday, put the contract in front of him and get him signed. long drawn out transfers we tend to loose out on.
 
Away CL/Tough Prem Games:

------------------DDG------------------
---Rafa------Vidic---Evans------Evra---
------------Carrick---Modric------------
---Valencia-------Kagawa-------Nani---
----------------Rooney----------------

I'd love to see that, technical ability in that team is frightening, getting the ball off us would be pretty difficult! I doubt we'll get Modric now, but you can dream!

i agree with this side.......although for tough games Rio would still be the first name on the sheet for me
 
i agree with this side.......although for tough games Rio would still be the first name on the sheet for me

Yup. Love the look of that side but agree Rio should still be starting when he can.
 
Away CL/Tough Prem Games:

------------------DDG------------------
---Rafa------Vidic---Evans------Evra---
------------Carrick---Modric------------
---Valencia-------Kagawa-------Nani---
----------------Rooney----------------

I'd love to see that, technical ability in that team is frightening, getting the ball off us would be pretty difficult! I doubt we'll get Modric now, but you can dream!

Yes, except Rio would play if fit.
 
a little dramatic but i agree. we should get in now, agree the deal with spurs, collar him before he goes on holiday, put the contract in front of him and get him signed. long drawn out transfers we tend to loose out on.

If we don't move for him now, we might as well forget it as far as signing Modric..... and therefore can look forward to more midfield issues in the forseeable future.

Not really dramatic, it's a logical conclusion given everything we've seen recently regarding transfers, injuries, midfield deficiencies etc
 
Away CL/Tough Prem Games:

------------------DDG------------------
---Rafa------Vidic---Evans------Evra---
------------Carrick---Modric------------
---Valencia-------Kagawa-------Nani---
----------------Rooney----------------

I'd love to see that, technical ability in that team is frightening, getting the ball off us would be pretty difficult! I doubt we'll get Modric now, but you can dream!

It's getting the ball back off the opposition with that team that would frighten me! :eek:

Are you serious? If that is your team for tough away PL games, i can't wait to see your offering for easy home games. How would you make it even more attacking? Perhaps drop Vidic who can't even join in the attacks like Evans can, go 3 at the back and bring on Welbeck! Yeah! ;)
 
Away CL/Tough Prem Games:

------------------DDG------------------
---Rafa------Vidic---Evans------Evra---
------------Carrick---Modric------------
---Valencia-------Kagawa-------Nani---
----------------Rooney----------------

I'd love to see that, technical ability in that team is frightening, getting the ball off us would be pretty difficult! I doubt we'll get Modric now, but you can dream!

Put rio in there and that would be my team for every game pretty much.
 
It's getting the ball back off the opposition with that team that would frighten me! :eek:

Are you serious? If that is your team for tough away PL games, i can't wait to see your offering for easy home games. How would you make it even more attacking? Perhaps drop Vidic who can't even join in the attacks like Evans can, go 3 at the back and bring on Welbeck! Yeah! ;)

I think its a lot more defensively sound than what we have been lining up with for this season.
 
I think its a lot more defensively sound than what we have been lining up with for this season.

Yup. Modric does his fair share at the back and had his best ever season (IMO) alongside Tom Huddlestone in midfield so I don't doubt for one minute he could form a midfield 2 with Carrick.
 
That team would be great for the majority of games, even for the tougher ones it could work but a lack of another defensively good player in the middle will hurt us in some games imo. When Spurs have tough games they generally add another midfielder in order to give Modric more protection, I swear they started giving him a role on the left in some games, where he basically had liscence to do what he wanted and had two other players doing the defensive work?

Both Real and Barca play with two defensively good midfielders, City do it. You don't have to get a destroyer but having the option to go with two sold midfielders, particularly today is an essential for me, we don't have that with Fletcher as he is, we don't even have cover for Carrick.

Modric would be a great signing, he compliments our play, knows the league etc but really he's just gonna add some more sparkle to the team. Last season a lot of our problems can be traced back to having no cover for Carrick for the games he wasn't available and no appropriate partner for him for games where we needed to keep it more solid. Another problem we had was a lack of fit midfielders, Modric can address that issue if he comes given he typically has a good record in that respect, but he won't address the more immediate concern in the midfield which is a lack of defensive options.

If we can get modric and another player than great, if it's a choice between modric and someone else, then without assurances over Fletchers return, which I doubt anyone can give, than I think we can't leave ourselves with only one defensively competent midfielder.
 
If we don't move for him now, we might as well forget it as far as signing Modric..... and therefore can look forward to more midfield issues in the forseeable future.

Not really dramatic, it's a logical conclusion given everything we've seen recently regarding transfers, injuries, midfield deficiencies etc

It actually is really dramatic! Sign Modric now or we will never ever win anything again! Woe is me! Wtf? We don't even need Modric, what is he going to bring to our team that Scholes and Cleverley between them cannot already provide?

Modric is too old to spend the type of money required to get him, which knowing what we do of Levy will be extortionate at best! All we need is cover for Carrick. That is it. Nothing more, nothing less!

We have just one defensive minded midfielder in the whole squad! ONE!!!!!. What good do you think buying Modric would do, if Carrick were to get injured? Errr none! So would you not think that maybe if we were going to spunk £30m on a player, then someone else who will give our creative element a platform to play from would be a far wiser choice.

As opposed to signing Modric, and leaving ourselves with a glaring weakness like having no defensive midfielders other than Carrick! Ideally we would all love players like Modric, but we already have players who can offer most, if not all of what he can. Carrick is on his own, and if we miss him for any length of time, you will then realise how bad our midfield problems could actually become.
 
The thing is there are not may Modric type midfielders out there.

So he would be a perfect signing because he is proven in the PL.
 
That team would be great for the majority of games, even for the tougher ones it could work but a lack of another defensively good player in the middle will hurt us in some games imo. When Spurs have tough games they generally add another midfielder in order to give Modric more protection, I swear they started giving him a role on the left in some games, where he basically had liscence to do what he wanted and had two other players doing the defensive work?

Both Real and Barca play with two defensively good midfielders, City do it. You don't have to get a destroyer but having the option to go with two sold midfielders, particularly today is an essential for me, we don't have that with Fletcher as he is, we don't even have cover for Carrick.

Modric would be a great signing, he compliments our play, knows the league etc but really he's just gonna add some more sparkle to the team. Last season a lot of our problems can be traced back to having no cover for Carrick for the games he wasn't available and no appropriate partner for him for games where we needed to keep it more solid. Another problem we had was a lack of fit midfielders, Modric can address that issue if he comes given he typically has a good record in that respect, but he won't address the more immediate concern in the midfield which is a lack of defensive options.

If we can get modric and another player than great, if it's a choice between modric and someone else, then without assurances over Fletchers return, which I doubt anyone can give, than I think we can't leave ourselves with only one defensively competent midfielder.

Beat me to it Ash! But spot on. Got right to the core of the issue imo, and how anyone can argue with such logic is beyond me, but no doubt some of the more irrepressible or simply illogical will no doubt find a way! :D
 
The thing is there are not may Modric type midfielders out there.

So he would be a perfect signing because he is proven in the PL.

So? No-one is saying he wouldn't be a great signing, but we need to cover areas of obvious weakness first and foremost. That is how you improve most significantly in the shortest space of time, by covering your weakest areas.

Not by going overkill on creativity, and ignoring the platform required for creativity to be at it's most effective.
 
Its a very English (and outdated) attitude that you have to have defensive midfielders in a team. The whole "DM and AM" classification is massively overstated at the moment. Obviously you have players who fit into one of those two profiles - players like Sneijder or Kagawa are in the AM category, whilst you have players like Martinez or Mascherano as pure DMs.

It is probably because of this that the true CM role no longer seems to be very popular. In a 4-4-2 you can play with 2 balanced CMs very comfortably, rather than needing players purely dedicated to defensive duties.

Modric is not Sneijder and Carrick is not Martinez. They are proper CMs, as are Anderson and potentially Cleverley. They contribute in both attack and defence and any combination of those 4 players is fairly well balanced (Cleverley is currently the least capable defensively but I expect that he will surprise a lot of people next season in that regard - he has the workrate and skills to become a well rounded CM).

In a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, we benefit from the likes of Valencia and Rooney who will track back and do defensive work, far moreso than is expected of players in their positions typically, we dont need to have a midfield filled with defensive minded players as well as that.



Summary: Modric, Carrick, Cleverley, Anderson and Scholes is a decent set of midfielders for a sesaon.

If we were going into muppet mode then yes, it would great to have another player with similar qualities to Carrick, such as Martinez, and personally I am of the opinion that we should let Anderson go if we get a decent offer, but we dont need multiple defensive midfielders. If you want a "destroyer" then we can play Jones in CM anyway.
 
Oh if only I had opta stats showing Modrics Interceptions!

The situation is this with our midfield:

- Scholes: Should be retired and we cannot put off buying his replacement yet again this summer! It was needed last year, let alone this year! Modric is a perfect replacement for Scholes.
- Giggs: See above.
- Carrick: Our only first team CM, but he is starting to age, 31 years old this year.
- Anderson: We can't rely on him, he's still young but he hasn't had one season injury free and therefore he should be a squad player only.
- Cleverley: Potential, much like Anderson he's not proved himself at the club. I have him down as a replacement for Carrick in a few years.
- Fletcher: We have no idea when he'll return and the state of his return.

So basically, we have 1 starting CM and 2 injury prone youngsters, a soon to be 38 year old player in Scholes, a soon to be 39 year old Giggs and a MIA Defensive midfielder.

A "Destroyer" isn't the top priority imo. We need a replacement for Scholes/Giggs and Modric aged 27 this year fits the bill perfectly! Spending 30m on one of the best CM's in the league, who would provide us with at least 4 years of service (if not 6+) is excellent business.

If Fletcher hasn't recovered, then we can spend money on a DM next summer. But a midfield partnership of Carrick/Modric with backups of Cleverley/Anderson/Scholes/Giggs/Fletcher/Jones (in emergencies) is more than adequate.
 
Its a very English (and outdated) attitude that you have to have defensive midfielders in a team. The whole "DM and AM" classification is massively overstated at the moment. Obviously you have players who fit into one of those two profiles - players like Sneijder or Kagawa are in the AM category, whilst you have players like Martinez or Mascherano as pure DMs.

It is probably because of this that the true CM role no longer seems to be very popular. In a 4-4-2 you can play with 2 balanced CMs very comfortably, rather than needing players purely dedicated to defensive duties.

Modric is not Sneijder and Carrick is not Martinez. They are proper CMs, as are Anderson and potentially Cleverley. They contribute in both attack and defence and any combination of those 4 players is fairly well balanced (Cleverley is currently the least capable defensively but I expect that he will surprise a lot of people next season in that regard - he has the workrate and skills to become a well rounded CM).

In a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, we benefit from the likes of Valencia and Rooney who will track back and do defensive work, far moreso than is expected of players in their positions typically, we dont need to have a midfield filled with defensive minded players as well as that.



Summary: Modric, Carrick, Cleverley, Anderson and Scholes is a decent set of midfielders for a sesaon.

If we were going into muppet mode then yes, it would great to have another player with similar qualities to Carrick, such as Martinez, and personally I am of the opinion that we should let Anderson go if we get a decent offer, but we dont need multiple defensive midfielders. If you want a "destroyer" then we can play Jones in CM anyway.

Two of those are very injury prone players while the third one is 37 years old and retired last season when he couldnt perform to the best of his ability. We need to sign two players to play in centre midfield this season just to fill the gaps. Ideally we would sign one creator and one destroyer/runner. If tunnicliffe goes out on loan and does well there, I am hopeful that he can fill the second role and so if we sign modric(would prefer someone younger and less expensive tbh) and an experienced option like kieta I would be happy with that.
 
It actually is really dramatic! Sign Modric now or we will never ever win anything again! Woe is me! Wtf? We don't even need Modric, what is he going to bring to our team that Scholes and Cleverley between them cannot already provide?

Modric is too old to spend the type of money required to get him, which knowing what we do of Levy will be extortionate at best! All we need is cover for Carrick. That is it. Nothing more, nothing less!

We have just one defensive minded midfielder in the whole squad! ONE!!!!!. What good do you think buying Modric would do, if Carrick were to get injured? Errr none! So would you not think that maybe if we were going to spunk £30m on a player, then someone else who will give our creative element a platform to play from would be a far wiser choice.

As opposed to signing Modric, and leaving ourselves with a glaring weakness like having no defensive midfielders other than Carrick! Ideally we would all love players like Modric, but we already have players who can offer most, if not all of what he can. Carrick is on his own, and if we miss him for any length of time, you will then realise how bad our midfield problems could actually become.

Are you being serious here?

For a start Scholes is 37, and in his last season in club football. After that he's gone...no more. Cleverley is no where near the level of Modric in terms of talent and appreciation of his position. Modric is 26....apparently then he's over the hill as his legs are completely gone, never mind Scholes is still playing at 37, that's irrelevant.

Secondly Carrick is not a "defensive minded" midfielder at all. He is positionally aware, meaning he is adept at making interceptions, breaking up play. He actually provides a great deal toward the attacking impetus that United maintain, and doesn't go onto the field with a purely defensive mindset. All central midfielders at United are expected to be disciplined and provide a balance between attack and defense. Why would you want to "spunk £30million" on a purely defensive midfielder? Who do you have in mind for that? Whoever it is it's a waste of money. And I'm sorry but you don't believe Modric would provide a platform for other creative players to perform? Whatever.

We all know how important Carrick is, but he has proved time and again he is not injury prone, and can last a full season comfortably. Modric is a player who will allow United to take more control in midfield, thus allowing more time on the ball for our front four. To suggest all we need is "cover for Carrick" is just barmy. We need midfielders who can keep the ball, dictate play and allow us to dominate games with the ball at our feet. I just don't get this paranoid, abashed call for a defensive midfielder, it reeks of negativity, a safety first approach. It lacks ambition.

For fecks sake we need to have players who keep the ball rather than worrying about buying players to win it back.
 
We have just one defensive minded midfielder in the whole squad! ONE!!!!!. What good do you think buying Modric would do, if Carrick were to get injured? Errr none! So would you not think that maybe if we were going to spunk £30m on a player, then someone else who will give our creative element a platform to play from would be a far wiser choice.

As opposed to signing Modric, and leaving ourselves with a glaring weakness like having no defensive midfielders other than Carrick! Ideally we would all love players like Modric, but we already have players who can offer most, if not all of what he can. Carrick is on his own, and if we miss him for any length of time, you will then realise how bad our midfield problems could actually become.

Fergie has already dispelled the myth of the holding midfielder.

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http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...guson-will-not-sign-a-holding-midfielder.aspx

Boss clear on midfield

Sir Alex has reacted to the suggestion that he should be looking to invest in a holding midfielder during the close season.

The Manchester United boss has explained that he has never used a player to fill that specific role and cited Barcelona’s former Arsenal captain Cesc Fabregas as evidence that the most effective performers in the middle of the park need not be destroyers.

“If you look at the examples, Fabregas was one of the best midfield players in England for five years but he wasn’t a big lad and wasn’t a holding player,” said Sir Alex. “He was an attacking player. Xavi and [Andres] Iniesta are small players – you can’t call them holding players.

"I don’t think we’ve had a holding player since I’ve been here. We’ve never had a holding player.

“We tried to get Roy Keane to do that but he just couldn’t do it. He had to play a way that was his own way of playing, so I’ve not had it for 25 years. Why should I think about it now?”


In terms of midfield options, the manager expects Michael Carrick to build on a fine personal campaign and flourish with increased responsibility in the coming years.

“I think Michael Carrick has had his best season at the club,” he added. “I’m very hopeful now he will have an authority that will stand us in good stead for the next two or three years. That will be an important role for Michael, to replace Paul Scholes in that department.

“I always think he starts the season slowly but when we started putting him and Scholes together all
 
If there was a need for a 'destroyer' we could probably buy O Shea back for a fraction of the 30 mil figure touted and spend the rest on Modric. As it is we don't actually need one as, as others have said, we need to control the midfield, not run around after the opposition trying to tackle them. We have Jones if we really need it and Fletcher may yet make a return
 
There's a difference between defensively competent and a destroyer. I wouldn't want a De Jong or anything but just someone who whilst they can contribute attackingly is also able to give us a solid screen in front of the defence. Fabregas had song, diaby, denilson (and arsenal have been criticised for a lack of defensive players in the middle), iniesta has busquets/mascherano/toure, not to mention xavi who is very good defenisvely, ozil has alonso and khedira/diarra.

We just have Carrick. Fletcher is a question mark, both ando and clev are better attackingly than they are defensively, scholes and giggs need protection. Say we signed modric and no one else then these are our options:

midfielder 1: Carrick, Fletcher

Midfielder 2: Modric, clev, ando, scholes, giggs

No one bar Fletcher can effectively come in for Carrick and Fletcher is our biggest doubt. For the attacking players to actually get on the ball they need a good partner who can compliment them by providing them the ball and giving them the insurance so that they can push on. We only have Carrick who can do that.
 
I think people are going overboard with this DM/Destroyer business. If Fergie thinks Modric is the right buy for what he wants to do with the side, then that's all that should matter.
 
It's ridiculously obvious that Modric is one of the best options.

Decent age, proven in the PL, Fergie loves him and would probably come here.

We should just pay a bit over the odds and get our man.
 
Why are people even debating over what we need in that midfield? It's a shambles either way.
 
Is all of this talk on here purely based on Modric being likely to leave, or has there been any genuine interest shown? I'd love him here, obviously.
 
It's ridiculously obvious that Modric is one of the best options.

Decent age, proven in the PL, Fergie loves him and would probably come here.

We should just pay a bit over the odds and get our man.

Bad age to be paying over the top. But its okay because we wont get him if a London club go in for him as hes already expressed his desire to stay there.
 
I think people are going overboard with this DM/Destroyer business. If Fergie thinks Modric is the right buy for what he wants to do with the side, then that's all that should matter.
& when Carrick does get injured he can have the deserved egg on his face for thinking Carrrick can go 2 seasons sans an injury whilst carrying the bulk of defensive responsibility in the midfield.
 
Why the feck would we want a lump like Tiote or some other muscle man in our team? We should always aspire to bring in more progressive players like Modric.

I have no idea why anyone would want a "destroyer" as some call it.
 
Why the feck would we want a lump like Tiote or some other muscle man in our team? We should always aspire to bring in more progressive players like Modric.

I have no idea why anyone would want a "destroyer" as some call it.

Indeed. Tiote isn't someone that interests me at all. Cabaye on the other hand...
 


Secondly Carrick is not a "defensive minded" midfielder at all. He is positionally aware, meaning he is adept at making interceptions, breaking up play. He actually provides a great deal toward the attacking impetus that United maintain, and doesn't go onto the field with a purely defensive mindset. All central midfielders at United are expected to be disciplined and provide a balance between attack and defense. Why would you want to "spunk £30million" on a purely defensive midfielder? Who do you have in mind for that? Whoever it is it's a waste of money. And I'm sorry but you don't believe Modric would provide a platform for other creative players to perform? Whatever.

Show me where i said let's spend £30m on a purely defensive midfielder. Don't make shit up! Where did i say that? I suggested i saw no point in spending £30m on Modric, when we have more pressing concerns over Carrick.

So is Carrick's main role in our team to help with the attack or to protect the defence? And i don't want to hear he does both, i want you to define specifically why he is in our team, ahead of say Cleverley and Scholes as a pair, or Anderson and Scholes.

To say he is not defensive minded, but is positionally aware is wordplay. He is positionally aware because he is defensive minded. Or is Rio not defensive minded, just positionally aware?

Again you misquote me, which is frustrating. I never compared TC to Modric, i said he offers along with Scholes some if not all, of what Modric would bring. There is a difference between saying that and offering a direct comparison.

To suggest all we need is "cover for Carrick" is just barmy. We need midfielders who can keep the ball, dictate play and allow us to dominate games with the ball at our feet. I just don't get this paranoid, abashed call for a defensive midfielder, it reeks of negativity, a safety first approach. It lacks ambition.

What bollocks! Almost every team everywhere has at least 2 'positionally aware' players in their squad yet you seem to feel we are fine with just the one. That reeks of delusion imo, and read my posts properly then you will note i have not asked for a DM, i want another defensive minded player like Carrick, or like Alonso, or prefferably Sahin. None of those are DM's as such, yet they are all defensive minded and are still capable of keeping possession, and passing the ball effectively. So how are they worse options than Modric in terms of keeping possession and covering Carrick's contribution again?

Why do some posters seem to think that only attacking midfielders can keep the ball? All the best postionally aware players are just as good as Modric at keeping the ball. Modric exceeds them by what he can offer going forward, which is of little benefit to us. We have plenty of creativity already.

We saw quite clearly in Europe last year what happens when you cannot get the ball back off the opposition, they create chances and score goals against you. 10 games only 3 CS, and 2 of those against Golati, so in the other 8 games that would be 15 goals conceded because we didn't have Modric to help us keep the ball better. Good one! :wenger:

Unless you are planning Barca type possession stats, that means there will undoubtedly be many occasions during a match where we have to defend better, pick up runners and press the opposition. Yet you seem to believe that buying Luca Modric is the answer to that problem. Have a think about that, then ask yourself why no other top team, has only one 'positionally aware' midfielder in their whole squad. Not first team, the whole squad, and then tell me why i am barmy for thinking it prudent to buy cover for the only one we have.

Surely you are not serious when you suggest if something happens to Carrick we will be perfectly ok with midfield combos of Giggs, Anderson, Cleverley and Scholes. I really cannot think of anything more amusing than believing a midfield duo of Modric and Cleverley, or Modric and Anderson would be capable of taking on a top team with a properly balanced midfield. Bizarre reasoning that mate!
 
Away CL/Tough Prem Games:

------------------DDG------------------
---Rafa------Vidic---Evans------Evra---
------------Carrick---Modric------------
---Valencia-------Kagawa-------Nani---
----------------Rooney----------------

I'd love to see that, technical ability in that team is frightening, getting the ball off us would be pretty difficult! I doubt we'll get Modric now, but you can dream!

To me it is the complete other way around. That is our team to bulldoze non-Top4 teams and European dross. Can play it at home against quality oppo, but no way I would play it in difficult aways.

To me he is Berba Mark II. That is, a great player to pummel dross but one that will not have the fight and leadership in him for the bigger games.

You do win the league pummelling the dross though, and when we need a more defensively sound midfield two it is a choice of him or Kagawa for the third advanced midfield role, which ain't too shabby :drool:
 
Fergie has already dispelled the myth of the holding midfielder.

Raoul, How is Sahin or Schweinsteiger not as important as to how a team functions as a Modric? It is all i want, not a De Jong, just a defensively compotent player who can use the ball. Which is why i keep using the term 'another Carrick' so as people do not confuse my meaning.

Yes Fergie will buy who he wants and we will have to live with that rightly or wrongly, but this is a forum where we express our opinions, and if i believe we need something that differs from SAF's view, well that's why we are here to discuss such things surely.
 
Who are you even talking to there Apotheosis? Quote fail...