I foresee alot of goals coming from different areas of the pitch. Kagawa will bring out the best in our wingers and other players.
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well....actually, they do have the same traits. Hard workers, team work ethics, skills that over the last ten years of increasing investment have allowed them to develope dam sight better ball control/skill than most english players. The comparisons are cultural, ethos...that is all...
You think Park has more skill and better ball control than most English players in his position at premier league level?
Haha!! Not a chance
Only Noodles could turn the excitement of watching a new quality player into an overall and underlying criticism of the team.
no I'm not...but the work rate and team ethic yes.
Isn't that just a generalisation though? I know that we all do it but to suggest that Asian players have a better work rate and team ethic than English players is stupid. I could name many workhouse English players with varying degrees of on the ball skills from Rooney to Milner to Parker etc etc. Park played predominantly as a winger whereas Kagawa plays in attacking midfield position. I know Park played that role from time to time but predominantly he didn't. If you had said Kagawa has a similar work ethic to Rooney then I would understand as they look to play similar roles. Comparing him to Park is just a lazy way of saying that all Asian players possess a high work ethic whereas in reality I'm sure they have as many lazy buggers as we do
Anyway not having a go, as I feel PC is already way way over the top, just thought I'd make the point
Look, do we REALLY need to compare Park and Kagawa? Sigh, I thought this was covered about a year ago when we were first linked.
Fergie compared them himself. So that doesnt help
In terms of work rate, on a direct question, yeah.
They are as different as two attacking players could ever be.
Oh dear
Some racial/ethnic generalisations are valid, but a blind man can see that these are very different players. It's ridiculous to insist on comparing them.
Isn't that just a generalisation though? I know that we all do it but to suggest that Asian players have a better work rate and team ethic than English players is stupid. I could name many workhouse English players with varying degrees of on the ball skills from Rooney to Milner to Parker etc etc. Park played predominantly as a winger whereas Kagawa plays in attacking midfield position. I know Park played that role from time to time but predominantly he didn't. If you had said Kagawa has a similar work ethic to Rooney then I would understand as they look to play similar roles. Comparing him to Park is just a lazy way of saying that all Asian players possess a high work ethic whereas in reality I'm sure they have as many lazy buggers as we do
Anyway not having a go, as I feel PC is already way way over the top, just thought I'd make the point
I suppose its because I'm married to a "tiger mum" asian woman and have just learnt their whole ethos to life that I make the comparion. And yes...it does spread to all the respective asian nations.
Having said that....yes there are lazy ones, and generally they are the ones who upped and left and have settled in the west because the schooling and working hours are so bloody torturous in their home countries.
But I take your point...I won't compare anymore.....
True, Rooney was quality in the role then. He's been a whole year without consistently playing in that sort of vein though, unfortunately (he played like that against Everton, to be fair). When he's playing like that, he's absolutely quality. Unfortunately, when he's not playing like that, we really lose so much of our threat through the middle. We become so incredibly reliant on the likes of Valencia, Evra and Nani for creativity, yet not every striker thrives on service from out wide.
Both encouragingly and depressingly at the same time, he looked a level above the rest of our players when he came on.
Maybe just an issue of fitness and him being a little further on with pre-season, and no international tournament.
Maybe just an issue of fitness and him being a little further on with pre-season, and no international tournament.
I thought Kagawa and Welbeck by far were our best players yesterday. Welbeck faded as the game wore on, probably due to fitness issues.
Isn't that just a generalisation though? I know that we all do it but to suggest that Asian players have a better work rate and team ethic than English players is stupid. I could name many workhouse English players with varying degrees of on the ball skills from Rooney to Milner to Parker etc etc. Park played predominantly as a winger whereas Kagawa plays in attacking midfield position. I know Park played that role from time to time but predominantly he didn't. If you had said Kagawa has a similar work ethic to Rooney then I would understand as they look to play similar roles. Comparing him to Park is just a lazy way of saying that all Asian players possess a high work ethic whereas in reality I'm sure they have as many lazy buggers as we do
Anyway not having a go, as I feel PC is already way way over the top, just thought I'd make the point
wasn't nakata a bit of a lazy arse?
He got too caught up in the high life off the pitch. To this day though he is still thought of as the most talented Asian player ever. Obviously Kagawa might be able to change that but nakata was an institution in Japan. That was partly the reason for his downfall; too many models to bang and parties to attend.
Yep, Welbeck did well.
Unlucky not to score with the chance inside the box, and he fashioned two good efforts for himself as well.
Im interested to see why people dont think Kagawa could play in a 2 man midfield for us.
He has the ball control, movement and passing ability required. He seems very energetic aswell.
With all the talk of Van persie coming in, and us generally playing with 2 strikers and 2 wingers, why could this not be an option?.
Kagawa reminds me alot of a young paul scholes in a way, and with him being partnered by carrick i think they could be a lethal partnership, like he and scholes were in 07/08
He has the ball control, movement and passing ability required. He seems very energetic aswell.
With all the talk of Van persie coming in, and us generally playing with 2 strikers and 2 wingers, why could this not be an option?.
Kagawa reminds me alot of a young paul scholes in a way, and with him being partnered by carrick i think they could be a lethal partnership, like he and scholes were in 07/08
He is the shit.
Very promising play from this guy tonight, he's neat, nimble and has a good footballing brain. I was waiting until he had a go against better players, (i know its preseason)
Very promising play from this guy tonight, he's neat, nimble and has a good footballing brain. I was waiting until he had a go against better players, (i know its preseason)
Now this guy looks value for money. Could be bargain of the season.
Funny, I thought that he was fair poor in that half, he lost the ball a good few times and was chasing shadows for the most part.
Because you've listed about half of the qualities needed for a central midfielder in a midfield 2.
So what is he missing? what does he miss that scholes does not?
Lou does it all the time
A decade of experience playing in central midfield for a start. More importantly Roy Keane next to him
I also think he can do alright in that position, Although I do have to say Michael Carrick has never played with a young Paul Scholes
I would see it more like the Carrick-Giggs combo in recent years although I need to see more of Kagawa.
Well if he does good for us price will rise to 20 mio. afaik but still a good price considering that Hazard cost twice as much and surely isn't twice as good.
I thought we paid around 13 with it likely to rise to 17?
The difference is a young Scholes played alongside Keane at his best, Keane could basically be a one-man midfield on his own so Scholes could be allowed that freedom. And much of the time we ended up adding Nicky Butt in Europe anyway. Even then we were still much more open than other top European teams and that cost us in the Champions League as we underperformed. Sir Alex talked about it:
He could play as a centre mid but it's likely to leave us very open and/or limit Kagawa's influence.
Played well. He lost the ball more than in the other two games, but the class is so obvious.
feck me he's a good player, the way he controls every ball is just superb.
he is going to be a star for us.
My thoughts exactly. Football is a simple game and people over complicate it. Simply put, Kagawa looks like a very good player. I see no reason whatsoever why he can't play in a two. You don't need to be physical if you have the quality. There are so many players that have taught us exactly that in the last few years.
Definitely on the same wavelength as Nani
I'm sure in time we'll see Kagawa in a 2 man midfield in certain games. I guess the thing for me why I don't want him to play there is because I see it as a waste of his talents, thats all. No because he's not able.
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