He wasn't on the bench though, Hernandez started the game and he was shocking. Pogba was on the bench for god knows what reason. Ferguson just avoided using Berbatov completely for some strange reason, when he could have come in and helped the cause when our strikers weren't delivering.
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Trying to keep young Pogba sweet, well that worked out well didn't it? Bad decision made there.
Is he still with us? Doesn't look to good finding a new club for him then I guess.
Exactly, but like i said it didn't matter how our strikers were playing Berbatov still wasn't getting a chance even when he had the best goals to minute ratio of our whole team in his appearances last year.
I wouldn't expect movement until quite late in the window. Said before that clubs who want him have the power. His contract is almost up, we don't want him, he wants to go. everyone knows we want Rvp and also that if we were to get him we'd definitely want berba off the books with his 90k or around that wages a week. I suppose you could argue that if we don't bring n a striker we'd be more reluctant too let berba go but really I think considering he was frozen out last season and we've added an attacking mid in kagawa I think most clubs would know its a bluff. The longer they wait the more likely it is they they can get him even cheaper and on lower wages.
If Sir Alex doesn't want to use him, I can't understand why he didn't just let him go when his contract expired. Instead we signed him for another short contract and can't sell him for some reason. Either use him or let him go. His being here is causing a problem to Fergie. He needs to sell him to free up a squad space and salary. If he is still her after window closes it will annoy Sir Alex and he definitely won't use him.
That's what made last season odd. Berba clearly didn't feature in his plans at the end of the previous season, fergie clearly wanting to pursue Rooney and Hernandez. Then welbeck came back who again fergie cwanted to develop. So berba was starting off as fourth striker. Extending his contract made sense though as with 2 years we had a strong position to bargain with especially with berba coming off a season as top scorer even if not in fergies plans. But we didn't seem to want to sell him for some reason. Then we marginalised him for most the season, personally i definitely felt he was underutilised and not given game time even as a sub when he could have. And so now we've got a player who wants to leave and everyone knows we don't want him, which as I said before doesn't put us in a good position to negotiate or set prices.
That's the mistake we have made. Making it obvious we don't want. Now we will end up giving him away. If we had been using him last season, we might have got more money for him. For once that is bad management.
Well I just don't understand why we kept him if he was so out of fergies plans. Like I said personally I think he got phased out even when we could have used him. We know berba is a confidence player who needs consistent games to perform so having him as fourth striker didn't make sense for me. I suppose we couldn't identify a fourth striker we could bring in as cover though, maybe if we'd have signed Nasri and looked to play him in am, then maybe fergie would have sold him. Either way we're gonna lose berba for well below his market value by the looks of it.
Did anyone see the video he posted on facebook? 
Did anyone see the video he posted on facebook?
link it up
We might have got more money for him, but we'd also be more likely to find it hard to convince Welbeck and Hernandez they'll get enough football to be happy at the club. So instead of losing 2 strikers, we're getting rid of 1 thats not trusted
So what is the lates? Seems that for 5 to 10 mil in transfer fee plus salary almost any club could have him. I suppose they could wait a year and get him on a free, but then he is another year older and they will have had a season go buy without him when they could have had him making a difference for their club for a very reasonable fee.
It is very odd.
It is very odd.
We should have cashed in last summer or let him leave on a free this year.
they could also wait a couple of weeks and see if they can get a deadline day cut price of 2-3 million.
Yep and get Berba to lower his wage demands. Said before but we and Berba are really in a poor negotiating position and I don't really know why Fergie extended Berba's contract last year if he had no real intention to play him and even if he wanted him as assurance he could have given him more time to put us in a stronger position to sell him.
incredible. shows how much he's rated outside OT.
Well not really, as I said above teams have no need to make a move for him now when they can wait a little longer and get him cheaper and likely on lower wages.
You're fighting a losing battle mate. Sunny Jim decided that to his knowledge, anyone that isn't widely spoken about or foreign clubs don't rush to sign him, is shit and nobody wants him. According to that logic, only we and maybe Juve think that Van Persie is a good footballer.
Can't believe he'll be here when August ends, niether side wants that and I doubt Berba would demand anyone matches his salary or he'll stay. Still, I said a few month ago I reckon we won't extend his contract and let him leave on a free, in order to avoid a situation like that.
he has been in a shopping window for over a year now. any decent side could have had him.....if they wanted him. Sad times for Berbalovers.
Yeah, I don't understand the attitude people have to Berba, hasn't worked out as well as it could have for him or us but that's not all down to him and he's never complained or sulked to our knowledge. I still think he has something to offer personally and would actually fit in to our new approach with lots of players looking to get beyond him but he's not in our plans. Hope he gets his move soon.
Don't tell me! all those sleepless nights, how will we cope with it? how could we fall in love with Man United's player in the first place?
If you are trying to be funny....well it is not working. try harder.
I agree with you. personally. i feel he should. have been uswd more frequently. last year. and i also find it amazing that there have been so few clubs intrested. a player of his quality should have found new club much faster. contrary to a popular belief i don't think his wage demands are the obstacle. reastically how.much can he expect-120k p/w? CL football on top of that?
He has undoubted ability.
He just doesn't fit into the system of pass and move United are trying to implement. He likes to drop deep these days and be a playmaker, but is unable to time his runs to get on the end of chances as often as he should, may be due to his languid approach to the game. Welbeck, and Rooney play that role much better.
It's called irony, thrown in direction of someone who's behaving irrationally. You're doing quite well at convincing others he's shit and nobody wants him. You've only made 46 attempts so far and I feel like starting to share your view. On the other hand I don't think you stand a chance at forcing people to hate Manchester United player without a reason, but you will come to that as well.
Why is Tomuś talking about "hate"? why is it every single person who questions Berbatov must "hate" the guy? Weird.
For the same reason why anyone who defends him is called Berbalover?
You only see what you want to see.
Not true, I see dead people.
I dunno, I think it's definitely true that at times he's played within himself or looked slow etc but I think one of the main problems is that in general we've not had many players in general getting beyond him. Before last season in midfield it was typically either Carrick, Scholes or Fletch, all of whom stayed quite deep for whatever reason. Rooney in previous seasons has also tended to play quite deep and only really Nani was offering a threat coming inside from wide areas. And so the middle ended up way to tight.
Now we have two extra strikers in Hernandez and Welbeck who are always looking to get beyond the defence, pushing them back, Welbeck additionally has excellent link up ability and smart thinking. In the middle we have cleverley who naturally tries to get beyond the ball when he can and again is a smart player. Young provides an extra player happy to come inside and even Valencia has improved on that.
So now there are lots of players who have both the skill and energy to get beyond the strikers which would allow Berba to play to his strengths. I think it was the first half against Ajax, where although we eventually got overwehlemed in the middle and defence, Berba played the first half and albeit was a little rusty, looked much better with cleverley linking up in central areas and Hernandez playing off the last man. It was the only time we really saw it and attackingly there was a lot of potential.
But I know that's not a popular opinion. As I said I don't think Berba's percieved slow approach is really a fair reflection, if the options are there Berba can work with them, but he needs people to get beyond him.
stop, you're making yourself look silly. and I always considered you to be a good poster.
I always look silly when I want to. The problem will be if I do so unconsciously...
Tbh though there maybe quite a lot of people in for Berba, most deals go through quite quietly, it's only the big ones that really stir up the talk. Look at Rodwell to City, there may have been murmurs but that was wrapped up pretty much out of the blue.
Personally I wouldn't be surprised if we'd put a decent valuation on him, but as I said before we're not in a position to set the price. Everyone know's he's not in our plans and that he is a high earner. We won't want him sitting around eating up like 4-5 mil of wages. So clubs know they can be patient. And I agree that he probably won't be asking for a huge amount but I'm sure he'll be trying to get something decent, but again clubs know they have the power in this case. They can wait and potentially save themselves some cash.
i agree with you that the buying club has the power here- both fee and wages-wise. That's why it's interesting- what is United's valuation? 10 mil? 5 mil? Even at 10 mil he would be a steal. then again- would United hold on for extra 2-3 mil? It's probably his 5-6 month wages. So if he stays here until September the 1st he might be released. I'm curious if we had offered him in a part exchange in Hazard, Kagawa or RVP deals.
oh and i honestly hope he moved to a big club in Italy or Spain and has a decent career. He deserves no less than that.
I suppose whatever they can knock off the price the better. I wouldn't be surprised though if Fergie is torn between keeping him or selling at a really low price. I think we've really handled it badly personally, last year after extending his contract we should have sold him but Fergie seemed adamant he was staying and then marginalized him for a year and now, well we're in a poor position, esp as clubs know we're chasing RVP. If we're only going to get around 5 mil for him I could see Fergie saying they'd rather keep him just purely cause 5 mil isn't that much in the grand scheme of things and he would still be good cover to have.
But I reckon something will happen towards the end of the window. Reckon there will be a fair few prem teams that'd like him but another factor is where Berba is happy to move to.
With the emergence of Kagawa, potential RVP deal (I'm positive he stays) it looks as if Berbatov is already on his way out. For some reason though I think he may stay. Can't see him at some minnows in any league, and top clubs won't take him either for the reasons mentioned before.
Strange situation. The moment he clicked and started scoring galores, he stopped being played. It's a pity he doesn't suit us as he is one hell of a player.
Strange situation. The moment he clicked and started scoring galores, he stopped being played. It's a pity he doesn't suit us as he is one hell of a player.
Arse could do worse than ask for him as a makeweight in any RVP deal.
Interesting... They play football 'the right way', have some exciting talents up front. Like to play possession football and keep the ball on the deck. Berbatov himself might like it, Fergie probably wouldn't make any problems.
The question is whether Arsenal see him as good enough to play regularly for them and whether they could accomodate him. He is whole lot better than their last striker signings, i.e Bendtner and Chamakh anyway. Then there is Giroud though and I don't think Wenger would play two out and out strikers at the same time.
The question is whether Arsenal see him as good enough to play regularly for them and whether they could accomodate him. He is whole lot better than their last striker signings, i.e Bendtner and Chamakh anyway. Then there is Giroud though and I don't think Wenger would play two out and out strikers at the same time.