Negativity about RVP

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Didn't quite think it would be possible after a player like RVP being signed.

So far we have:

1) The non-development of Hernandez now
2) Becoming like City by buying the league
3) RVP is too old / possibly crocked / Expensive
4) Not a CM

You pessimistic wankers, this is a great signing, if you look hard enough there might be something to get excited about, somewhere.
 
I'd post a proper response but you'll probably delete this thread too.

Are mods exempt from that rule?
 
and if there isn't...you get to call people who don't agree with you a bunch of pessimistic wankers.

So in the end everyone wins.

But yeah, great signing...we still need a CM and LB.
 
Cina said:
I'd post a proper response but you'll probably delete this thread too.

Are mods exempt from that rule?
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I didn't mean too. I saw the same thread existed in the Transfer Forum, tried to copy my post over there and failed. I ended up copying a blank post, and removing my existing thread. I'm an admin.
 
Devilton said:
and if there isn't...you get to call people who don't agree with you a bunch of pessimistic wankers.

So in the end everyone wins.

But yeah, great signing...we still need a CM and LB.
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Yes we do, but still how can there be negativity over such a high calibre player? He would get into any team in the world! It's quite exciting.
 
togg said:
well...the transfer season ain't over yet :)
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exactly, so bitching, whining, playing the part of the net ranger, prematurely blowing your wad and acting like a cnut online is part and parcel of waiting for the real football to begin. Why does everyone pretend like it's not going to happen?

Embrace that shit bitches...it's been going on ever since the interwebs were invent.
 
Hectic said:
1) The non-development of Hernandez now
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I'm concerned about it but the club comes first. His job to work hard and improve to become first choice. Fergie has to take care of Manchester United football club.


Hectic said:
2) Becoming like City by buying the league
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Nonsensical view.

Hectic said:
3) RVP is too old / possibly crocked / Expensive
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Legitimate concerns, although 23 million with addons is not that much really.

Hectic said:
4) Not a CM
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Legitimate concern.
 
I agree. Most on here were crying out for a big name signing, and now we've done that, they aren't happy!

We've made a big statement of intent here, RVP is our biggest signing in several years. We have shown we aren't going away, we will do everything in our power to get that title back, and also to make our mark again in the CL.

It also takes the goalscoring burden off Wayne Rooney up front. He'll relish playing alongside RVP, and I hope they tear defences apart.

Just like Viv Anderson said last night - if we win the league or European Cup with RVP, then it's money well worth it.

I do think we need a LB and possibly a CM, but I'm still excited by the arrival of RVP. Bring on the new season.
 
Hectic said:
Yes we do, but still how can there be negativity over such a high calibre player? He would get into any team in the world! It's quite exciting.
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I dunno. I love the transfer, I think he's going to be awesome for us (as long as he remains fit). But maybe some people are worried we're spending everything we have on a striker when there is need of other players.

I can see that point of view, but goals win titles. We know that from last year. So, I can't fault this transfer...for me he's actually our best striker now (and I'm a big fan of Rooney).
 
These lads could bed Kelly Brook and they'd still complain about one of her tits being saggier than the other.
 
It's incredible, isnt it? Everyone was going on and on about how good Van Persie would be if City bought him, but now that we got him it seems he's an overpriced crock. Aswell as people complaining about the other youngster we bought (why no CM!??), or complaining why we didnt sign Llorente instead of Robin.
 
I'm only arsed about 1) myself with the impact for Chich and Welbeck, but all those points are valid to some extent. Obviously there are huge positives as well, but it shouldn't be surprising people are giving a balanced view.

Except the City one, which is a wierd point.
 
I dunno, maybe it would help if he died his hair a bit. No one likes to see grey hairs on their big new signing.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
I'm concerned about it but the club comes first. His job to work hard and improve to become first choice. Fergie has to take care of Manchester United football club.




Nonsensical view.



Legitimate concerns, although 23 million with addons is not that much really.



Legitimate concern.
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Or you could look at it like, 4 strikers equals competition, we are used to this. We obviously haven't brought the league, that's retarded. Not very, it's a concern but given his recent injury history, it's a gamble well worth taking. That's an irrelevant concern. When we signed Kagawa were people not excited even though he wasn't a CM? We've signed the top striker in the league, and turned out attack into something mental. We can save the CM argument and outcry for another day, let's just appreciate the level of quality we've just brought in! I very much doubt it was one or the other either, the opportunity to sign Van Persie was there so we took it, I can't see it being at the expense of a CM we wanted...
 
I have a feeling Llorente would have been awesome as well but RVP just knows the league so much better.
 
MUFCgal said:
I agree. Most on here were crying out for a big name signing, and now we've done that, they aren't happy!.
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True, but a lot of us were just crying out for our midfield and left back to be strengthened. Very few on here actually wanted us to splash out on a striker, especially with what we have there already.

I don't see the problem with still sharing those views really, should anyone who said "we need midfielders/full backs, not strikers" before we signed RVP suddenly change their mind and go "yay, feck the midfield, we got a great player in an area we don't actually really need a great player in at all"
 
Theon said:
I'm only arsed about 1) myself with the impact for Chich and Welbeck, but all those points are valid to some extent. Obviously there are huge positives as well, but it shouldn't be surprising people are giving a balanced view.

Except the City one, which is a wierd point.
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I had doubts about Hernandez when we signed him, and although he was a revelation in his first season there were still signs that he wasn't really anything more then a poacher. With how our team plays we need more then that. I don't think Hernandez is anything more then a super sub to be honest and doubt he will ever get to RVP's level. Technically he's just not that good.

As far as Welbeck is concerned he's now got a real test ahead of him with RVP to prove he can make the step up and compete with two of the best strikers in the world. Welbeck is good...but hopefully now he'll work hard to prove he's one of the best.
 
Transfers are like crack. You spend months agonising over one, trying to shape all discussion towards why we need player x, the excitement builds when you get near to signing a top player - that moment before they actually sign is often the best bit.

Once they've signed though you start looking for the next one
 
He's a fecking great signing. Nothing to really add.
Welbeck and Hernandez will still get their time and training with a player like RvP can do their development only good.

About CM: Well I really hope Anderson and Clev stay fit. If they do I don't think we got a problem They both looked sharp as feck during pre season.
Also the signing of RvP has zero to do with buying a CM. If SAF sees one that's good enough and on the market we will try to get him, I'm sure.

How anyone can moan about that signing is beyond me.
 
Hectic said:
Didn't quite think it would be possible after a player like RVP being signed.

So far we have:

1) The non-development of Hernandez now
2) Becoming like City by buying the league
3) RVP is too old / possibly crocked / Expensive
4) Not a CM

You pessimistic wankers, this is a great signing, if you look hard enough there might be something to get excited about, somewhere.
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I would put a different slant on the posters who are questioning the signing. I'd say it's more a concern than pessimism. It's probably like making a big purchase, say buying a car, a business or a property you always wonder and question yourself if you've made the right decision.
 
I cannot think about anything else that this season will be a goal galore! Not only that we will have a more than decent partner for Rooney and three other superb strikers on the bench, all the youngsters will certainly experience from that somewhat huge experience coming to Old Trafford.
 
As one of the more vocal opponents of this signing, I'd like to say that I'm not pessimistic. I thought we were favourites even before we signed Van Persie, so you can imagine my confidence now.
 
Devilton said:
I had doubts about Hernandez when we signed him, and although he was a revelation in his first season there were still signs that he wasn't really anything more then a poacher. With how our team plays we need more then that. I don't think Hernandez is anything more then a super sub to be honest and doubt he will ever get to RVP's level. Technically he's just not that good.

As far as Welbeck is concerned he's now got a real test ahead of him with RVP to prove he can make the step up and compete with two of the best strikers in the world. Welbeck is good...but hopefully now he'll work hard to prove he's one of the best.
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Yeah that's a very realistic view of the situation. I agree on Hernandez currently, but think he could drastically improve the technical side of his game. Some of his natural attributes such as his movement, pace etc are just perfect for a forward. If he's developed rightly he could become a world class striker IMO, but maybe I'm a bit optimistic.
 
Im just delighted we dont have people like that at our club workign behind the scenes. Its a smashing piece of business which we should be proud of.

This will keep city looking over their shoulder an thinking bollocks they behemoth is coming back for its title.

Powell
Kagawa
Van Persie

Thats not a bad trip to the shops now is it?
 
Devilton said:
I had doubts about Hernandez when we signed him, and although he was a revelation in his first season there were still signs that he wasn't really anything more then a poacher. With how our team plays we need more then that. I don't think Hernandez is anything more then a super sub to be honest and doubt he will ever get to RVP's level. Technically he's just not that good.

As far as Welbeck is concerned he's now got a real test ahead of him with RVP to prove he can make the step up and compete with two of the best strikers in the world. Welbeck is good...but hopefully now he'll work hard to prove he's one of the best.
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In my opinion, although I like Welbeck, I do think there has been a bit of an overhype about him, enhanced by his England appearances. He has great pace, control, a good football head, but he doesn't score enough goals at the moment. Fergie himself said as much. Now some would say, let him be a regular and see if this improves. I don't think we can risk that next season. To be honest I don't think it would be good to heap that pressure on him. We all know RVP will get injured and miss games, meaning Welbeck will definitely figure highly this coming season allowing him to progress at a slower pace.
 
Buy a 29 year old Striker called RVP, who moves above Welbeck in the pecking order?! What a load of shit! It's hampering the development of our young talent! They'll never get to play any football games ever again... we've ruined their careers! Besides, we need a midfielder!

Hypothetical... instead by a 29 year old midfielder called Daniele De Rossi, who moves above Cleverly in the pecking order... Fantastic! We've bought a midfielder! Cocks out.

Having said that, I'm sure people would complain about scenario B as well... some folks are just never happy.
 
Hectic said:
Didn't quite think it would be possible after a player like RVP being signed.

So far we have:

1) The non-development of Hernandez now
2) Becoming like City by buying the league
3) RVP is too old / possibly crocked / Expensive
4) Not a CM

You pessimistic wankers, this is a great signing, if you look hard enough there might be something to get excited about, somewhere.
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You missed out what it means for the situation with Welbeck's contract.
 
Theon said:
Yeah that's a very realistic view of the situation. I agree on Hernandez currently, but think he could drastically improve the technical side of his game. Some of his natural attributes such as his movement, pace etc are just perfect for a forward. If he's developed rightly he could become a world class striker IMO, but maybe I'm a bit optimistic.
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Hernandez has a role to play and he seems to have the right sort of personality and temperament for this team. Will he ever be a world class striker? I'm not sure, but he can definitely be an influential squad player and contribute with match winning goals.

He's got tremendous pace and movement, but technically he's limited. He'd be awesome for a team like Newcastle or Everton but for us he's very much a bench player.

togg said:
In my opinion, although I like Welbeck, I do think there has been a bit of an overhype about him, enhanced by his England appearances. He has great pace, control, a good football head, but he doesn't score enough goals at the moment. Fergie himself said as much. Now some would say, let him be a regular and see if this improves. I don't think we can risk that next season. To be honest I don't think it would be good to heap that pressure on him. We all know RVP will get injured and miss games, meaning Welbeck will definitely figure highly this coming season allowing him to progress at a slower pace.
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I agree. I think Welbeck is a fine player but if Rooney ever had a long term injury we'd be fecked with just Welbeck and Hernandez to lead the line. Neither are consistent goal threats and our midfield isn't going to chip in with enough goals either.

We've addressed that with Kagawa and RVP. I think we should see a LOT more goals this season. Hopefully we won't let in a LOT because while we look stronger in attack, our midfield and defense still needs some reinforcement.
 
noodlehair said:
You missed out what it means for the situation with Welbeck's contract.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Nani's agent is looking for parity with RvP and Rooney after this signing. He has every right.
 
Cina said:
True, but a lot of us were just crying out for our midfield and left back to be strengthened. Very few on here actually wanted us to splash out on a striker, especially with what we have there already.

I don't see the problem with still sharing those views really, should anyone who said "we need midfielders/full backs, not strikers" before we signed RVP suddenly change their mind and go "yay, feck the midfield, we got a great player in an area we don't actually really need a great player in at all"
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Do you think it was one or the other? RVP or a midfielder? Or was it us being opportunistic and signing a brilliant player regardless of our other positional concerns?
 
Sultan said:
I would put a different slant on the posters who are questioning the signing. I'd say it's more a concern than pessimism. It's probably like making a big purchase, say buying a car, a business or a property you always wonder and question yourself if you've made the right decision.
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There is both to be fair.
 
Hectic said:
Or you could look at it like, 4 strikers equals competition, we are used to this.
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And as I said, I agree.

Hectic said:
We obviously haven't brought the league, that's retarded.
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Again, agree.

Hectic said:
Not very, it's a concern but given his recent injury history, it's a gamble well worth taking.
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Agree as well. Especially given it's 23 million with add ons. But at the same time, I understand the concern some people have.


Hectic said:
When we signed Kagawa were people not excited even though he wasn't a CM? We've signed the top striker in the league, and turned out attack into something mental. We can save the CM argument and outcry for another day, let's just appreciate the level of quality we've just brought in! I very much doubt it was one or the other either, the opportunity to sign Van Persie was there so we took it, I can't see it being at the expense of a CM we wanted...
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Again I agree with you but I'm not sure all those people's concerns over central midfield are directly connected to the Van Persie transfer. It's justs that they see another signing and they're getting more and more anxious about us not signing a CM.
 
There's nothing wrong with recognising he's a bit of a cnut with his handbag antics down the years. There's also nothing wrong with recognising that he has no love for the club and is a mercenary in the sense he's here to get something out of us, trophies rather than money.

Fantastic signing but no need to rewrite the facts like the scousers do.
 
Sultan said:
I wouldn't be surprised if Nani's agent is looking for parity with RvP and Rooney after this signing. He has every right.
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Not sure he can quite claim to be as influential as either. Rooney's a bigger marketing pull for one...but yes.

For the time being, get Welbeck signed up and I'll be more than happy with us signing RVP...at the moment there's the horrible niggling feeling it might mean Welbeck making way, which would be a horrific piece of business.
 
Hectic said:
Do you think it was one or the other? RVP or a midfielder? Or was it us being opportunistic and signing a brilliant player regardless of our other positional concerns?
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If given a choice I think SAF would pick a striker over a midfielder on most days. One just gets the feeling SAF doesn't think our midfield is as big a problem as some (most) of the fans do.

Frankly it's hard to fault him with the RVP transfer though. A striker like RVP will bring in goals (his ratio of games / goals is amazing). A midfielder might create a few, and prevent a few but in terms of overral impact, RVP just gives you more. He's a proven match winner and most midfielders aren't.
 
I'm kind of negative about it because it's a luxury signing, one we actually don't need. Stinks of Torres to Chelsea. The expectations will be immense, he'll be an automatic starter alongside Rooney and that will mean we'll be forced to playl 442 with Kagawa not in his best position.
 
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