I think it's more a case of he hasn't found the player in mind, or they aren't available yet. I doubt it really is anymore complicated then that. If we had a specific midfielder in mind, and he was available, I think we'd be in for them.
Negativity about RVP
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He said pretty much exactly that a few months ago.
Even if Fergie thinks Rooney playing behind van Persie is more effective?
People aren't allowed to hold opinions that differ with Fergie's?
Of course they are.
What I meant was, if for example Rooney playing behind van Persie proves to be effective why would you 'want' to see something else?
It's also a fair bit of common sense to be honest.
Indeed.
Which makes it all the more remarkable why people keep asking why he hasn't done so, over and over again.
Because I want to see Shinji behind Rooney
I hope so. He needs to find one soon though, that's for sure.
what continues to amaze me is the lack of faith in Sir Alex Ferguson expressed on the caf. Most seems to know better than him.
It wasn't our lack of midfield or leftback or injuries that lost us the league last season (though they contributed), it was that we didn't score enough goals against some very average Premiership teams. All the whining about 'not another striker - we need a midfielder', or 'not another winger - we need a midfielder', from people who think they know better than our manager. He has always said he would only buy a player if the right one was available and better than what we already have. Clearly, he must think that the right midfielder (or leftback) is not available and he's happy with what he has.
If it goes through, RVP is a very good signing and reminiscent of the days of Ronaldo-Rooney-Tevez holy trinity. It's what we've lacked.
It wasn't our lack of midfield or leftback or injuries that lost us the league last season (though they contributed), it was that we didn't score enough goals against some very average Premiership teams. All the whining about 'not another striker - we need a midfielder', or 'not another winger - we need a midfielder', from people who think they know better than our manager. He has always said he would only buy a player if the right one was available and better than what we already have. Clearly, he must think that the right midfielder (or leftback) is not available and he's happy with what he has.
If it goes through, RVP is a very good signing and reminiscent of the days of Ronaldo-Rooney-Tevez holy trinity. It's what we've lacked.
We scored 4 against Everton, and drew.
I think some of the negativity stems from the midfield issue. Anyone who still thinks we are going to spend big money on a top class defensive midfielder is setting themselves up for disappointment.
I think its obvious that Fergie sees Carrick as his first choice holding player. Maybe he thinks there is no one who is better than him that can come in and replace him that is currently available, who also fits in with our mentality and is willing to come here.
The spot next him has plenty of competition and a mix of experience and big potential, just as Fergie likes it.
I think its obvious that Fergie sees Carrick as his first choice holding player. Maybe he thinks there is no one who is better than him that can come in and replace him that is currently available, who also fits in with our mentality and is willing to come here.
The spot next him has plenty of competition and a mix of experience and big potential, just as Fergie likes it.
Fergie last couple of signings -
Good
De Gea, Jones, Hernadez, Henriquez, Powell, Smalling, Kagawa
Bad
Berbatov, Hargreaves, Anderson, Young, Vps
I have added vps as I think hes a bad signing both for the money and that we didn't need a striker.
The bad buys all bar Anderson have been experienced players all over 26.
Good
De Gea, Jones, Hernadez, Henriquez, Powell, Smalling, Kagawa
Bad
Berbatov, Hargreaves, Anderson, Young, Vps
I have added vps as I think hes a bad signing both for the money and that we didn't need a striker.
The bad buys all bar Anderson have been experienced players all over 26.
So you call Powell and Henriquez good despite not playing a single game, and Young bad after one season?
fecking stellar logic right there.
fecking stellar logic right there.
That is an awful post. Probably the worst use of logic, ever.
fergie bought potential in those two at good prices. That's the logic.
And one season in which when fit he was largely very good.
So Obertan, Bebe and Tosic were good signings then?
Berbatov never really fit in to the team well, he still finished top goalscorer in the legaue one year.
Hargreaves was a good player, no-ones fault his body crapped out on him, it's sad but hardly a bad signing.
Anderson, maybe, you can see the potential is there, wither we ever reap the benefits of it or not remains to be seen.
Young, I never liked him but he's decent, English player tax makes it seem like a worse signing than it is.
Vps, hasn't even signed yet.
Your over 26 line is just mindbogglingly silly. Van der Saar is hailed as one our best ever keepers and he was a smidgen over 26.
Assuming we don't sign anyone else, I think all that is true but he might also have higher hopes for Anderson, Fletcher, Cleverley and Jones than many do on here. Jones aside, who is a bit of an unknown quantity, they're all fairly well-rounded players (insert Anderson joke here) who are all capable of helping to protect our defence.
They're definitely not a lightweight specialist AM like Silva or Mata who can't function without another player to do all the fetching and carrying. They are also capable of getting up and down the pitch and being effective at both ends, which seems to be Fergie's preference.
In fact, Fergie's always preferred to avoid specialist holding midfielders.
In his own words:
That is an awful post. Probably the worst use of logic, ever.
Powell and henriquez fergie bought great potential at a good price. Id say that's logical.
Young is average.
The goal difference wasn't as big a problem as many people make out. Like our points total, in most seasons that sort of goal difference would have been the best in the league. We were unfortunate that City just happened to have an even better goal difference.
Of course, it would have helped had we scored some more goals in those games, but what would've helped even more would've been not shipping 4 goals at home when we played Everton, for example, or 6 against City which could've almost single handedly gotten rid of the goal difference deficit with them.
Central defence won't be a big problem now that we have Vidic back. In fact, on the whole, it generally wasn't a big problem as well because Ferdinand rediscovered some of his better form while Evans had the best season of his career yet. Of course though, if Vidic gets back to his best then it won't have some massive lapses like in that game. With Vidic at the back they would only be very, very occasional.
Central midfield has been the problem that we've generally failed to address, but with RVP signing I'm becoming convinced that Fergie see's Kagawa's future as a central midfielder. Obviously he will be a versatile player, however if he predominantly plays in the centre of midfield next season then I wouldn't be surprised at all now.
Away with you and your stupid logic. He dived like 3 times and has no hair, therefore I think he was a poor signing. Surely you see my reasoning?
Tosic and obertan we reclaimed what we spent so overall acceptable risks. bebe is bad as I cant see any real talent there.
Not to mention consigning RvP to "bad" before he's even fecking signed a contract! Ye Gods, that's a horrendous post...
why does van persie go in with the bad signings again? have you seen him play or are you talking out of the wrong hole. top class player. hard to see how he wouldn't improve our side...
Well no see, by your logic he was good because he didn't cost much at the time, what he was like after that was totally irrelevant, because games don't matter at all.
From now on we will no longer base our signings on the games they play, therefore I think RVP was a bad signing, because he's older than 26, which means it definitely won't work out, despite him being one of the best players in the world last season, but that's not important.
Who's 'vps'?
I did say last couple. Fergie always more than often been brilliant with nurturing talented players. Finding vds fergie himself admits he should have gone for him.earlier.
Fergie eye for talented youngsters is par excellence.
I reckon it's a hybrid of VDS and RVP, two players that are no good for our club because they're over the age of 26, combined to form a mega Dutch flop.
Young had a very good debut season. The 'Young is shite' bandwagon is in full force.
for me rvp is a bad signing because of the cost and we didn't need to strengthen in attack as much as elsewhere.
Fergie cant complain about value then shell £64m on transfer and wages.
Fergie cant complain about value then shell £64m on transfer and wages.
Maybe, but there is a large hit and miss percentage there, also.
Nurturing young players is sometimes easier as they have no/less bad habits, it's also not always cost effective to buy many players entering/in their prime as fee/wages are always highest at this juncture (last big contract).
He can.
There is a difference between RVP at 24m and someone not worth 10m they (selling club) are trying to get 30 for.
Let's break this down. 'Fergie's last couple of signings'....Last meaning since 2006? Couple meaning selective? These are his signings since Hargreaves....
Robin Van Persie
Shinji Kagawa
Nick Powell
Frederic Veseli
David de Gea
Javier Hernandez
Bebe
Anders Lindegaard
Phil Jones
Ashley Young
Luis Antonio Valencia
Michael Owen
Gabriel Obertan
Mame Biram Diouf
Marnick Vermijl
Chris Smalling
Carlos Tevez
Manucho
Michael Carrick
Owen Hargreaves
Anderson
Tomasz Kuszczak
Nani
Would you like to work out your 'bad' buys again?
Carrick our second most important player behind Vidic. He is pretty much irreplaceable and what happens if he gets injured? Jones?
yeah but if we replace him with someone who cost less than £5m they'll have been an instant success, before even playing!
RVP a bad signing? Christ some people are never satisfied. We sign the best striker in the world last season and people still complain. Also commadus, that was probably one of the worst posts I've ever seen. Just so much wrong with it
Commadus there is literally so much wrong with your post, I didn't know where to start. I couldn't start, almost, but when I finally did, I couldn't finish. Maybe you can never finish criticising a post like that, maybe it's something that we must do forever.
It pleases me to know that no matter how stupid some of my posts are on here, there will always be people who make worse ones. I mean, I don't think I could even make a post that bad if I intentionally tried to do so.
There have been far worse posts like the attacks on Fergie re the shares and glazers yet I say some of his signings have been poor and its the worst post. Lol some crazy logic.