Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances

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I will give you Iniesta.

But IMO Nani has more RAW talent than Rooney.

There is a big difference between being a better player and having more raw talent and ability.

Rooney is an amazing player because not only does he have great ability, he is an incredibly intelligent footballer.

If Nani had the intelligence of Rooney he would be just as good as Ronaldo or very close.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
I will give you Iniesta.

But IMO Nani has more RAW talent than Rooney.

There is a big difference between being a better player and having more raw talent and ability.

Rooney is an amazing player because not only does he have great ability, he is an incredibly intelligent footballer.

If Nani had the intelligence of Rooney he would be just as good as Ronaldo or very close.
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Holy christ....

I'm out.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
I will give you Iniesta.

But IMO Nani has more RAW talent than Rooney.

There is a big difference between being a better player and having more raw talent and ability.

Rooney is an amazing player because not only does he have great ability, he is an incredibly intelligent footballer.

If Nani had the intelligence of Rooney he would be just as good as Ronaldo or very close.
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Ok, Xavi?

I can keep going if you want.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
What is RAW potential/talent anyway? I always thought it was a just a way for the media/press to describe every young black player...

He did say Raw talent though, and Rooney has (or had rather) bags of it.
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I'd say raw talent are the things you can't teach.

Like Nani's lateral movement, close control, dribbling at pace, rocket of a shot.
 
Cina said:
Ok, Xavi?

I can keep going if you want.
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Xavi is one of the best around becuase of intelligence. Yes is technique is fantastic but Nani is a physical beast. Pace, power, acceleration etc.

There are things Nani can do that Xavi can't. Just like how Nani couldn't be the metronome that Xavi is.
 
My point is that we have one hell of a talent on our hands.

With better decision making, sky is the limit for Nani because he has every physical tool.

He should start every game because he makes us a better team.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
My point is that we have one hell of a talent on our hands.

With better decision making, sky is the limit for Nani because he has every physical tool.

He should start every game because he makes us a better team.
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If on the left then yes. The moment Rooney comes back and Fergie wants to play both RvP and Roo AND Kagawa behind them, which means the virtual LW's spot's his, then no.
 
adexkola said:
That's in his second season? Interesting...

In 2006/07, Ronaldo got 26 goals and 20 assists in all competitions (off ESPN's website).

My point was that Ronaldo as a pure scorer, could still play on the wing, either in a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3, and that Nani can too. Apotheosis was suggesting the opposite I think.
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Yeah, halfway through his second season.

Absolutely agree. This 'wing forward' talk is just misguided, meaningless tactical mumbo jumbo.

Cina said:
39 starts in the league? He really is something :)
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In two seasons...
 
You can tell that every time we don't play two natural wingers, we struggle. That is down to players like Rooney and Welbeck are not good at keeping width, like Valencia and Nani are. Nani is also a class act at mixing it up with keeping wide and cutting inside. Without Nani, Evra struggles going forward because there is no help from his winger, and although he is still fast, he isn't lightning like he once was to bombard past every defender in the world - remember when he used to smoke Sagna for breakfast? ahhh

Selling Nani to Zenit would be madness, but it would be even more so for Nani to go - he would be nuts.

He is our most gifted winger, and not many wingers are as gifted as he is. Cina, would you agree that if you talk about pure wingers, there aren't many how are as talented as Nani? (Giggs was more talented and a better winger, but would you call him talented at 39? - the old talent Giggs?)
 
Rossa said:
You can tell that every time we don't play two natural wingers, we struggle.
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Totally agree.

I am really not a fan of a striker out on the wings. Personally I think that Welbeck offers very little in that position.
 
Zenit are dicks.
 
I love Nani like a son, but RDC kinda lost it for a while there.

How much do think his play is dictated by being constantly double/treble teamed and the doubt in the back of his mind that he is about to strafed Carragher style at any moment because defenders simply can't deal with him?

Despite people saying he didn't have a good game against Southampton, he came on in the 2nd half having been dropped in the previous game. Set up RvP which forced the penalty and plopped a corner on his head for the winner.

There doesn't seem to be any noises coming out of OT about him or about why he wasn't in the previous matchday squad. Is no news good news?
 
I don't really see the problem with that comment, to be honest. Granted that Iniesta is a fair shout and that there are probably others, but if we're saying that technical ability covers skill and basic ability with a football, then Nani is clearly in that elite bracket. One of the best dribblers, a cracking shot, amazing control and first touch, etc...

Some of the things we've seen Nani pull off have been mindblowing, but he needs to take hold of games. The things stopping this are mentality, 'football intelligence', etc...

That's not to say that he's a thick footballer or that he's got a bad mentality, it's just the mental side of his game clearly doesn't match his level of skill. If it did, he'd be an unbelievable player.
 
Zenit pulled out of a deal because apparently Nani's wage demands were "unreal"
 
Colin129 said:
I love Nani like a son, but RDC kinda lost it for a while there.

How much do think his play is dictated by being constantly double/treble teamed and the doubt in the back of his mind that he is about to strafed Carragher style at any moment because defenders simply can't deal with him?

Despite people saying he didn't have a good game against Southampton, he came on in the 2nd half having been dropped in the previous game. Set up RvP which forced the penalty and plopped a corner on his head for the winner.

There doesn't seem to be any noises coming out of OT about him or about why he wasn't in the previous matchday squad. Is no news good news?
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colin, thats probably the first good corner he has taken in ages! :smirk:

I dont know where all this shit is coming from about nani, he had one bad game and got dropped, thats what happens in the game.

Nani will stay and be a seriously important man this year for us this season. I hope.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
Name more players with more raw talent and ability.
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If you're talking about flair, talent and ability and NOT taking into account consistency, decision making and work ethic..
when it comes to tricky/flair players

Neymar,
Ronaldinho,
Quaresma?,
Lucas Moura?
Robinho?
Di Maria?
Berbatov maybe?
Alexis Sanchez
Jesus Navas

Either way, I hope we keep Nani...He is one of our best players going forward..and for me one of the best wingers in the world.
 
zain said:
If you're talking about flair, talent and ability and NOT taking into account consistency, decision making and work ethic..
when it comes to tricky/flair players

Neymar,
Ronaldinho,
Quaresma?,
Lucas Moura?
Robinho?
Di Maria?
Berbatov maybe?
Alexis Sanchez
Jesus Navas

Either way, I hope we keep Nani...He is one of our best players going forward..and for me one of the best wingers in the world.
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Of those I agree with Ronaldinho, Neymar and maybe robinho... you are seriously underrating Nani right there (raw talent wise).
 
zain said:
If you're talking about flair, talent and ability and NOT taking into account consistency, decision making and work ethic..
when it comes to tricky/flair players

Neymar,
Ronaldinho,
Quaresma?,
Lucas Moura?
Robinho?
Di Maria?
Berbatov maybe?
Alexis Sanchez
Jesus Navas

Either way, I hope we keep Nani...He is one of our best players going forward..and for me one of the best wingers in the world.
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:lol: Christ.

At an absolute push you could make an argument for Ronaldinho and Neymar, but it'd be easier to argue for Nani than those two. Ronaldinho is the best player I've seen, but he's not the same anymore. Nani would also absolutely rip the shit out of the Brazilian league, much more than Neymar does.
 
pocco said:
:lol: Christ.

At an absolute push you could make an argument for Ronaldinho and Neymar, but it'd be easier to argue for Nani than those two. Ronaldinho is the best player I've seen, but he's not the same anymore. Nani would also absolutely rip the shit out of the Brazilian league, much more than Neymar does.
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Quaresma hasn't got more Raw talent than Nani? Just saying.... :rolleyes:
 
pocco said:
:lol: Christ.

At an absolute push you could make an argument for Ronaldinho and Neymar, but it'd be easier to argue for Nani than those two. Ronaldinho is the best player I've seen, but he's not the same anymore. Nani would also absolutely rip the shit out of the Brazilian league, much more than Neymar does.
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I think Valencia would rip the shit out of the Brazilian league more than most people on that list...
So would Rooney..much more so than Ronaldinho etc..

But that's not the point I was making with that list.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
I will give you Iniesta.

But IMO Nani has more RAW talent than Rooney.

There is a big difference between being a better player and having more raw talent and ability.

Rooney is an amazing player because not only does he have great ability, he is an incredibly intelligent footballer.

If Nani had the intelligence of Rooney he would be just as good as Ronaldo or very close.
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I'm not a Ronaldo fan by any stretch of the imagination but that comments of yours is a way of underrating him incredibly or overrating Nani.
Nani would have Rooney's intelligence but would still lack in instinct and physical attributes
 
I dont know if it's been mentioned, but a Norwegian newspaper has quoted Maxim Mitrofanov, the Zenit CEO (might be director of football, I'm not completely sure) said this

"It's correct that we're negotiating with Nani and Moutinho, but Hulk and Witsel were the highest up on our wishlist."
 
I would say Nani is better than Jesus Navas by some distance, who every time I've seen him is mostly about running, but he isn't even faster than Nani, imo. He doesn't have the flair, close control or shot that Nani possesses.

When Nani is on form he is quite unstoppable - that's when he realises that "hey, I'm fecking fast, so why not just outpace the sucker" and so he does. Then he can dribble them till they are dizzy, shoot from distance and nor is he a bad short passer of the ball either. His crosses are up there also. This is when he is clicking. Let's hope that Ferguson assures him that he has a place in the team, because in my opinion, he can be our game changer when nothing else is working - Young is reliable and will assist and score goals, but he isn't much of a game changer, nor is Valencia really when isolated.
 
Burrow said:
I dont know if it's been mentioned, but a Norwegian newspaper has quoted Maxim Mitrofanov, the Zenit CEO (might be director of football, I'm not completely sure) said this

"It's correct that we're negotiating with Nani and Moutinho, but Hulk and Witsel were the highest up on our wishlist."
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But then he wouldn't say that "yeah, we bought Hulk and Witsel, whom we figure are Okish, but we really wanted Nani - he wouldn't sign though"
 
pocco said:
:lol: Christ.

At an absolute push you could make an argument for Ronaldinho and Neymar, but it'd be easier to argue for Nani than those two. Ronaldinho is the best player I've seen, but he's not the same anymore. Nani would also absolutely rip the shit out of the Brazilian league, much more than Neymar does.
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What's that got to do with anything? Your talent doesn't disappear.



 
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