I haven't seen anything confirmed re a fee. Just seen the quotes where they were in talks but it collapsed because of wages.
If the 25mil fee is true then I'd say that's a pretty clear indication Nani's up for sale.
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I haven't seen anything confirmed re a fee. Just seen the quotes where they were in talks but it collapsed because of wages.
If the 25mil fee is true then I'd say that's a pretty clear indication Nani's up for sale.
I reckon he meant "maybe they offered us way more than the reported £25m - for us to allow Nani to neg with them" (if even that was true).
But I agree & considering Nani is yet to hit his peak, "silly money" should start at a min £40m.
If they've just signed Witsel for £40 million then what they are offering for Nani is insulting.
Then again, he only has 1 year remaing on his contract doesn't he?
Then again, he only has 1 year remaing on his contract doesn't he?
Witsel was signed for around 30 million quid, and Nani has 2 years left on his contract.
I think it was €40m for Hulk and €30m for Witsel (please correct me if I'm wrong Caf), but that just emphasizes your point even more.
Firstly, both were signed for 40 million euros each
Secondly, if Witsel was signed for 30 m Euros (which he wasn't), I don't see how that emphasises his point that the bid was insulting to Nani, more than a 40 million QUID bid for the inferior player.
I'm pretty sure that Zenit would've jumped for Nani if he was available for 25 million quid. They paid the release fee in Witsel's contract of 40m Euros; i.e. they probably would've paid more if the clause was higher (either negotiate higher / pay the steeper release fee) for Witsel, and I'm pretty sure they'd rather have Nani than Witsel. I also doubt they'd crib over 8million Euros wages if Nani was available for 25 million quid, as the initial cost would be far smaller than Witsels (They could pay Nani's fee + 1 years wages for the same as Witsel's fee alone), and again, Nani's a better rated player.
Ah, beg your pardon.
The point I was trying to make was, if a player of Witsels limited top level experience can fetch 40 million euros then them offering less for a far more decorated and (imo) talented player in Nani is insulting.
The mirror says Nani is furious that we failed to sell him to Zenit. And he is now threatening to leave for free in 2 years.
I thought if rumours were true that it was Nani who failed to reach an agreement with Zenit?
Anyway a lot of what we are hearing is not accurate. But we should all realise there is some truth to these. I really would like to hear a statement about it from the club.
I reckon he will be gone in January unless they all kiss and make up.
I thought if rumours were true that it was Nani who failed to reach an agreement with Zenit?
Anyway a lot of what we are hearing is not accurate. But we should all realise there is some truth to these. I really would like to hear a statement about it from the club.
I reckon he will be gone in January unless they all kiss and make up.
I've been ignoring this thinking it was just one big rumour,but it does not seem to be going away,could there be some truth in this story.
Can't understand why we seemingly tried to get rid of him when he is approaching his best years and is one of our best players.
Its baffling.
I think you read the mirror wrong; i think it says nani was mad that we were willing to sell him to zenit and he didn't want to go there so he's willing to stay until a free so he has complete control over his next move.
I just read that on sky sports and they had that report from the mirror saying he was furious we failed to sell him. Perhaps they have it wrong?
As much as I do see where your coming from, the age-old saying of "we don't know what goes on behind the scenes" is perfect for this matter. There could be several reasons why we may want to offload Nani, and there could also be reasons why Nani wants to move. We don't know which party has the desire to move the player/himself on.
Now before I say any more, I just want to say that I like Nani and even though he can be one stressful player at times, he's extremely talented and possesses talents that no other player of ours has. But United may want to move him on because he's a dick behind the scenes - maybe his attitude is a problem, maybe he's getting too big for his boots etc. We don't know - but one thing we do now: If United wants to get rid of Nani, there must be a justifiable reason behind it. There is no way in hell we'd sell a talented player, just for the sake of selling.
Seems to me that both sides are briefing the media which isn't promising. Hopefully we can get a new deal sorted before it all goes too far, though if you believe some journos Fergie wants rid.
Baffling turn of events this past few weeks indeed.
I would be very disappointed if Nani left, he just seems to have so much more left to give. 
But he is inconsistent, and can't hold down a first team spot it seems. I happen to believe a change of system would help Nani more, but SAF is unlikely to alter our 4-4-2, and therefore i cannot see what else could make any real difference anytime soon.
The targets we have looked at for a while have strongly indicated that one of our current wingers would be surplus to requirements. Makes you wonder if we had gotten Lucas or Hazard, whether Nani would still be here for this season?
But he is inconsistent, and can't hold down a first team spot it seems. I happen to believe a change of system would help Nani more, but SAF is unlikely to alter our 4-4-2, and therefore i cannot see what else could make any real difference anytime soon.
The targets we have looked at for a while have strongly indicated that one of our current wingers would be surplus to requirements. Makes you wonder if we had gotten Lucas or Hazard, whether Nani would still be here for this season?
Before anyone takes the papers claims about Nani seriously they should go and listen to Rooney's interview with Talksport. His genuine bemusement at all the recent stories about him should tell you all you need to know about the credibility of the press.
The window's shut and he's hear for the season. I'm sure as soon as his performances start picking up (Which haven't been that bad) he'll get his deserved contract.
There's a bit more to this than the Rooney stories. Those quotes from Zenit do corroborate the story to some extent.
It's not just the papers though Chabon. Quotes from Zenit too. but more telling imo is the types of targets we have been looking at. It is undeniable we were in for Hazard and Lucas.
I said at the time SAf was looking at Hazard that it could mean the end of the road for one of our wingers and due to the contract issues, Nani was the most likely. So this is just a continuation of increasing suspicions that all is not well between SAF and Nani, and has probably not been for some time.
According to the italian press, he didnt want to go to zenith (he even switched off his mobile so that they could not contact him, not to mention the 12m euro p.a. he demanded).
Despite the conflicting reports in the press, Imo fergie at some point was trying to offload him.
It's a little different in Nani's case though when the Zenit president or whatever he was is coming out saying the move broke down over wages.
I was talking specifically about the Mirror claiming to know exactly what's going on, but I think it applies more broadly. I remain convinced we had absolutely no interest in selling Nani this summer, because had we done so then there would have been interest from much bigger clubs than Zenit. The likelihood is that Zenit enquired with Nani's people and were given a crazy figure, and then backed off. There's no reason to presume there was any contact between the clubs, not least because there's no evidence of it.
There's evidently a genuine contract dispute, but it's clearly no way near as drastic as the papers make out, or he would have been sold in the summer.
There's evidently a genuine contract dispute, but it's clearly no way near as drastic as the papers make out, or he would have been sold in the summer.
In regards to Lucas, he is not at a level where he can come in and replace Nani. He's not at that stage yet, and we'd be taking a big short term risk, as we already know what Nani brings to us. We might of got a potential star, but he's still a rough talent at the moment, Nani's far more reliable and we know the impact he has. I saw the Lucas interest as one for the future and to help make up the numbers - at his age we could very slowly bring him in, and look at the age of our current wingers, Valencia (27), Nani (approaching 26), Young (27).......Lucas is 20 years old, it makes perfect sense to bring in a young inexperienced talent. Also, with the injuries all three have sustained last season (Young) and in each previous season to Nani and Valencia, maybe it's a position Fergie wants to provide extra cover for, pretty much the same situation as our striker department, but not quite as well stocked. Hazard was a bit different to Lucas, and much more of an indication that something could be amiss, but I figured the idea there was, he is the type of player you don't want to pass up on when he becomes available, like RVP, because he's an insane talent.
I'm not sure if there is something really up or not - there could well be - but I didn't see the Lucas or Hazard interest as a definite indication that there was. The Zenit stuff is more of a concern, despite it making very little sense overall. For me the only thing that makes sense is some kind of attitude problem, I can't believe that Ferguson doesn't see a point in keeping Nani at the club, his worth is very clear. That said, everything I've seen from Nani to determine his attitude (which of course is very little in that respect), says to me that isn't the case, so I still don't think we are trying to get rid of him. It would be a bizarre move really if it isn't some kind of attitude difficulty, and one I'm sure we can only regret.
I'm not sure if there is something really up or not - there could well be - but I didn't see the Lucas or Hazard interest as a definite indication that there was. The Zenit stuff is more of a concern, despite it making very little sense overall. For me the only thing that makes sense is some kind of attitude problem, I can't believe that Ferguson doesn't see a point in keeping Nani at the club, his worth is very clear. That said, everything I've seen from Nani to determine his attitude (which of course is very little in that respect), says to me that isn't the case, so I still don't think we are trying to get rid of him. It would be a bizarre move really if it isn't some kind of attitude difficulty, and one I'm sure we can only regret.
I hope Nani doesn't leave as he is one of the few players we have who regularly produces the creative spark for a 'goal out of nothing'.
He is obviously very talented, though it is a shame that he still hasn't developed into a mature player, as there are still major flaws apparent in his decision making and ability to read the game properly.
He is obviously very talented, though it is a shame that he still hasn't developed into a mature player, as there are still major flaws apparent in his decision making and ability to read the game properly.
If Sir Alex wanted Nani out he'd be at Brighton or someone right now. If Nani wanted to move to Zenit he'd be playing for them right now. If Nani wanted to leave he'd be playing for someone else right now, instead he's rejected the likes of Barcelona in the past to stay.
If Zenit wanted to show off about having money and ambition they'd try to buy players who are too good for them just to get some media spotlight and if newspapers want to sell papers they'll talk about one of our top 3 or 4 players.
Nobody knows what would have happened if we signed Lucas or Hazard but if you're sensible you'd know that Young would be on his way well before Nani and we sold Park without directly replacing him so theres a chance nobody would have had to make way. We have 4 quality strikers, why is it beyond the realms of possibility that the manager wanted 4 quality wingers too?
If Zenit wanted to show off about having money and ambition they'd try to buy players who are too good for them just to get some media spotlight and if newspapers want to sell papers they'll talk about one of our top 3 or 4 players.
Nobody knows what would have happened if we signed Lucas or Hazard but if you're sensible you'd know that Young would be on his way well before Nani and we sold Park without directly replacing him so theres a chance nobody would have had to make way. We have 4 quality strikers, why is it beyond the realms of possibility that the manager wanted 4 quality wingers too?
@Ekeke. It takes two to tango, in this case three. For Nani to go to zenit all three parties must find an agreement.
We know for certain 1 didnt, that doesnt mean another did. Several times we've talked to a player before reaching an agreement with a club.
In todays Mirror soap about Nani:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-try-to-gag-nani-1317307
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-try-to-gag-nani-1317307
What utter bullshit.
Capital GAG it must be serious.
Public bleating? Has he said anything to the public about it? What a lot of shit
Exactly, we haven't heard a peep out of either him or the club on the matter.
All we've had is a bit of Zenit shooting their mouths off.
All we've had is a bit of Zenit shooting their mouths off.
He's only really said one thing a few months ago, and what he said was fairly positive. IF what the Mirror said isn't bull, I assume it is refering to any "leaks" to the media, which is basically a case of the pot calling the kettle black as so far it seems to be a two way street with the club and the player/agent both perhaps leaking things to the press.
Seems to be something very concrete in all this .. no point denying it or getting into a hissy fit because the press is reporting it.
I do not want nani to leave on any terms. We have stuck by him as his talent has flourished into genuine world class ability. To be honest, after a hesitant start, I never expected him to become as good as he has been at times which is unplayable. He is now entering that phase in his career where consistency will be added to his game. Selling him makes no sense unless it for 40million+ and even then, I cant see a replacement available, so it weaken our options considerably.
My fear is that the motivations behind this is the need to balance the books as opposed to a strategic footballing decision. If thats true, then the Glazer effect really is making its impact felt. We spent 50 million in the summer. Big deal: we have one of the highest turnovers in global football. If we cant do that without a major sale, then things really have changed.
I do not want nani to leave on any terms. We have stuck by him as his talent has flourished into genuine world class ability. To be honest, after a hesitant start, I never expected him to become as good as he has been at times which is unplayable. He is now entering that phase in his career where consistency will be added to his game. Selling him makes no sense unless it for 40million+ and even then, I cant see a replacement available, so it weaken our options considerably.
My fear is that the motivations behind this is the need to balance the books as opposed to a strategic footballing decision. If thats true, then the Glazer effect really is making its impact felt. We spent 50 million in the summer. Big deal: we have one of the highest turnovers in global football. If we cant do that without a major sale, then things really have changed.
If we needed to sell Nani to balance the books whats he doing here? He'd be gone. Where's the common sense?
People coming up with all these theories... Nani will leave at some point but its not going to be to bloody Zenit. Most likely its all to do with contract talks, seeing how much other teams are willing to pay him before having a firm idea of what he wants to ask of the club. As with Vidic who was certain to go because his wife hated 'hated manchester' we'll be hearing all sorts till he signs a new deal and then not a peep.
People coming up with all these theories... Nani will leave at some point but its not going to be to bloody Zenit. Most likely its all to do with contract talks, seeing how much other teams are willing to pay him before having a firm idea of what he wants to ask of the club. As with Vidic who was certain to go because his wife hated 'hated manchester' we'll be hearing all sorts till he signs a new deal and then not a peep.
the whole thing baffles me a bit.
We know that he's on 90k, he is reported to ask for 130 p/w.If you ask me it's not a wild expectation, perfectly reasonable.
How much would other teams pay for Nani's services? I'm sure the excess of 130k p/w.
Nani makes it clear he's happy here and wants to stay.
We probably can't afford to buy a winger in his prime and of Nani's class. More, I'm not sure such player is available.
So why would we want to get rid? I see no reason apart from a relation breakdown with Fergie.
We know that he's on 90k, he is reported to ask for 130 p/w.If you ask me it's not a wild expectation, perfectly reasonable.
How much would other teams pay for Nani's services? I'm sure the excess of 130k p/w.
Nani makes it clear he's happy here and wants to stay.
We probably can't afford to buy a winger in his prime and of Nani's class. More, I'm not sure such player is available.
So why would we want to get rid? I see no reason apart from a relation breakdown with Fergie.
It appears that SAF wanted to replace him this summer, and the fact that we made bids for Hazard and Moura is a clear indicator.
If he has any sense he needs to get his head and start performing on a consistent basis.
If he has any sense he needs to get his head and start performing on a consistent basis.
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