So you are projecting forward that he will be able to do something better than Rooney, that he isnt yet doing better than him, because he has not yet acclimatised.
Are you basing this on having seen him in Germany?
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So you are projecting forward that he will be able to do something better than Rooney, that he isnt yet doing better than him, because he has not yet acclimatised.
Are you basing this on having seen him in Germany?
I think he's saying that he can operate better in tight spaces as he has a better first touch than Rooney. He also has very good close control and is a great passer.
Fair enough. I am not refuting what has been said - not with any conviction, anyway. I have seen so little of him I am not in a position to judge. Just seems to me a lot of people are making some fairly sweeping, and it seems to me, perhaps premature comments about their relative strengths in certain aspects of their game. But if what people are saying is borne out then Ill be mightily happy, and certainly anyone who watched him regularly in Germany would be in a position to comment on it.
I did find that comment confusing though as amolbhatia was first saying Kagawa can keep hold of the ball in tight spaces better than Rooney - then he qualified it by saying he will be able to once he acclimitises. Which kind of played into my original point, that people seem to be jumping to conclusions about how good he will be for us.
Either way I am very happy to have two good options for the position, and looking forward to seeing more of Kagawa.
I did find that comment confusing though as amolbhatia was first saying Kagawa can keep hold of the ball in tight spaces better than Rooney - then he qualified it by saying he will be able to once he acclimitises. Which kind of played into my original point, that people seem to be jumping to conclusions about how good he will be for us.
Either way I am very happy to have two good options for the position, and looking forward to seeing more of Kagawa.
Nice to see Shinki supporting his old team mates.
Shinki....? Is that racist..?
Let's be honest, on this evidence we're a bit of a downgrade for him, aren't we? Dortmund might have blown it in front of goal and got cheated by the ref tonight, but their class was there for all to see.
Blasphemy.
On a more serious note, it's probably safe to assume Kagawa's camp went over the pros and cons pretty thoroughly and he knew what he was getting into regarding playing week after week against teams parking the bus.
Plus he has a great song now.
On a more serious note, it's probably safe to assume Kagawa's camp went over the pros and cons pretty thoroughly and he knew what he was getting into regarding playing week after week against teams parking the bus.
Plus he has a great song now.
We pay a hell of a lot more the Dortmund.
Getting more money, playing for one of the best clubs in the world, a club with a great footballing history, getting better recognition worldwide, playing in a better league, sure it is a downgrade. I bet he goes crying to bed every night.
Well it was Kagawas big dream to play in the PL and he got an offer from one of the biggest clubs, there was no way he would turn down that move.
It's simply due to the fact that the PL is very popular in Japan and the BL is only drawing some attention in recent years due to the fact that a lot of Bundesliga clubs bought quite a few Japanese players in recent years.
Playing wise we might be a level below Dortmund atm but but we also have a lot of star players that Kagawa probably has still dreamed of playing with one or two season back.
And well of course there is the money even though I think we didn't offer much more then Dortmund did.
It's simply due to the fact that the PL is very popular in Japan and the BL is only drawing some attention in recent years due to the fact that a lot of Bundesliga clubs bought quite a few Japanese players in recent years.
Playing wise we might be a level below Dortmund atm but but we also have a lot of star players that Kagawa probably has still dreamed of playing with one or two season back.
And well of course there is the money even though I think we didn't offer much more then Dortmund did.
He must have felt depressed last night seeing the great football on display by Dortmund in comparison to United's
He is better in tight spaces than Rooney. That will help us.
As for the general thread, from the clips I've seen of Dortmund from past seasons and watching Dortmund's full games this season you can tell why Kagawa really thrived in that system. I reckon how good he is for us will depend on the way we set up.
I suspect we will go further in the CL than Dortmund still, In fact with their failure to pick up 3 points i wouldn't be surprised to see them go out in the group stage still. They are a very good team but I doubt Kagawa has any regrets.
He left Dortmund for a new experience and challenge. Whether Dortmund would beat us in a one off game is irrelevant. Dortmund are still quite naive when it comes to European football. Like Widnes said, I wouldn't be surprised to see them go out. Yesterday was a big chance missed for them.
Really hope they they go through. And not just to see City go out. Their football is a breathe of fresh air that would enhance the competition.
Man City seem to have caught some radical enhanced version of the United zombie virus.
At least we have bits of games where we sort of look alive. Last night was like one of them cartoons where one character keeps trying to wake the other up by doing increasingly loud things.
At least we have bits of games where we sort of look alive. Last night was like one of them cartoons where one character keeps trying to wake the other up by doing increasingly loud things.
In general, they still have much better fluidity to their football than us, as they showed against Fulham where they had the latter pinned back in their own half for most of the second half.
Last night they encountered a very unique footballing style. A lot of teams would get a bit stunned by the energy and pressing of Dortmund.
We are the bigger club and barring something extraordinary like last season, will go further than them in the CL.
We did the same against a considerably better team last weekend, although admittedly at home. We have two new additions to the squad who are still finding their feet. It's difficult to look fluid all the time when two of your attaking players have just arrived at the club. I'd give us a couple of months (at least) and then see what happens.
I agree with Varun, but if JR meant that we aren't ready for a player like him at the moment, then I agree with him. I adore Kagawa, and I watched him for months on end last season - thrilled that we even signed him, first player that signed for United that I genuinely wanted; but I just feel sorry for him that the team isn't on the same wavelength as him. It's as if his footballing-brain/vision is more advanced than the majority of the players we have, bar Scholes and Rooney.
Of course it's early days, and I expect the players to sync with him in due time so my paragraph above is rather pointless but nevertheless I just wanted to say that I could see where JR was coming from IF that was the perspective he was going for.
If he genuinely believes that Dortmund are a bigger team than United, then of course I disagree
That's a definite possibility. They barely beat Ajax in their first match and last night was a huge chance missed. Last season Dortmund played brilliantly for their first 45 minutes of the first match, against Arsenal, couldn't score and eventually stole a last-minute equaliser. They didn't play that well again in the group stage.
I agree with Varun, but if JR meant that we aren't ready for a player like him at the moment, then I agree with him. I adore Kagawa, and I watched him for months on end last season - thrilled that we even signed him, first player that signed for United that I genuinely wanted; but I just feel sorry for him that the team isn't on the same wavelength as him. It's as if his footballing-brain/vision is more advanced than the majority of the players we have, bar Scholes and Rooney.
Of course it's early days, and I expect the players to sync with him in due time so my paragraph above is rather pointless but nevertheless I just wanted to say that I could see where JR was coming from IF that was the perspective he was going for.
If he genuinely believes that Dortmund are a bigger team than United, then of course I disagree
That i agree with. Our style of play both on and off the ball leaves a lot to be desired. Players like RVP and Kagawa can do so much more.
I don't think it's to do with football brain at all, he and nani have linked up very well, first in preseason and in the games they've plate together. The key for him is getting players close to him. So far, cluj aside we have pretty much stuck to a 442/4411 and so when he gets the ball the wingers are far away from him and the midfielders so he can't do as much instinctive play, he has to wait for support.
I think once we adapt our system a bit and play a bit more fluidly, not having wingers who just stick to their wing or midfielders who stay deep then we'll see him thrive. We have some excellent players for him to link up with. A similar set up to the game against cluj, with nani and kagawa in for Hernandez and one of clev and ando could work very well and should hopefully allow kagawa and our other players to thrive.
Only issue to that is how fergie wants to play. From his comments he seems to want to stick with two wingers who stay wide but I'm hoping he's planning to mix it up a bit. End of the day with rvp, Rooney an kagawa to play them all, one of them has to go wide in which case they won't stay wide as none of them are like that, or he'llhave to move to the diamond like formation we saw against toon and cluj.
I think once we adapt our system a bit and play a bit more fluidly, not having wingers who just stick to their wing or midfielders who stay deep then we'll see him thrive. We have some excellent players for him to link up with. A similar set up to the game against cluj, with nani and kagawa in for Hernandez and one of clev and ando could work very well and should hopefully allow kagawa and our other players to thrive.
Only issue to that is how fergie wants to play. From his comments he seems to want to stick with two wingers who stay wide but I'm hoping he's planning to mix it up a bit. End of the day with rvp, Rooney an kagawa to play them all, one of them has to go wide in which case they won't stay wide as none of them are like that, or he'llhave to move to the diamond like formation we saw against toon and cluj.
Welllll... we'll probably win our pisspoor group while they will feel lucky to even qualify from that hell they got landed in. Madrid are clear favourites to get 1st place so even if Dortmund go through they're more likely to draw a tougher team in the second round.
But if we were in their group and they in ours (I know it's not possible because of seeding but that's not the point here) - well I'd expect them to qualify and would expect us not to.
Or to put it in even simpler terms: I could see them outplaying us to the same extent they outplayed City. The football they play is superior to ours by quite a margin, we just happen to have better individual quality overall. Maybe.
But then he logged into his online banking account... and life didn't seem so bad.
We need to play him on the left, able to drift infield. The same way City employ Silva.
I think money for certain players wouldn't matter that much if they wouldn't much joy from their job.I don't see picture Kagawa being happy with just picking up his check and be happy while performing badly
I couldn't agree more.
Which team was that?
Tottenham?
Ah, I didn't think our performance against Spurs could be compared to City's against Fulham. They were very good on the day. We were completely shit. And we really only had them pinned back in the second because they already had a lead and were winning the game. And of course the point about being at home (which he does raise).
Well, its not our fault we have a European pedigree and hence are seeded higher, is it? I agree they play much better football, i said so in one of the threads already. What am saying is that we are definitely the bigger club and once the players settle in, we'l be playing better football than we are now. Short term, yes , they look the better side. Give it time, and i'd back us to beat them over 2 legs too.
It'l be depressing times when the lure of money is the only thing Manchester United can offer.
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