Rio Ferdinand

Varun_Utd said:
So you think he did not wear the top to get attention and then suggest he do a full on interview with Sky? Which of the 2 do you think would have given him more attention if thats what he actually wants? Think for a moment ffs.

Also, you say its something United could have done without. You think an interview would have gone unnoticed? :confused: You'd be the first poster on here crucifying him for causing distraction at the club if he did that.

Its only Chelsea fans i heard till now that came up with the "Anton wants attention", "Rio wants the captaincy" bollox. Its shocking you'd be of the same opinion because i doubt even they truly believe that. His brother was called a "fecking black cnut" and after found guilty, Terry was given a 4 match ban. If you still dont get why he's making a stand, i feel for you.
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Not wearing a shirt and silly tweets is attention whoring. It puts him in the spotlight and keeps people asking questions.

A proper articulate interview conducted in a proper manner I have no issue with and I would like to see.

I have considered Rio to be a twat for many, many years. It's not a recent thing. He has a catalogue of annoyances.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Is Rio out of contract this summer?

If this fallout doesn't end positively he could well be gone.
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The issue is bigger than than how it could affect Rio's contract negotiations. I doubt he gives too many fecks. He'l have lots of suitors if we dont want to extend his contract.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Not wearing a shirt and silly tweets is attention whoring. It puts him in the spotlight and keeps people asking questions.

A proper articulate interview conducted in a proper manner I have no issue with and I would like to see.
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Doesnt fit in with your "he did it because he craves attention" and "its something United could have done without" comments though. It'd give him more attention and cause even more scrutiny around the club.
 
Smores said:
Ridiculous post,

He's punishing Ferdinand as he went behind the clubs back. The players on the pitch represent the club and its decision to support 'Kick It Out', how is that Fergie putting his authority above racism ffs?

The club (which is more than just Fergie) clearly made the decision that attacking an anti-racism organisation isn't the right way to proceed.

If we'd have said we were punishing Rio for something he'd said on Twitter id say we were being ridiculous but he has no right to express his own views while wearing the shirt.
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Ferdinands brother was racially abused FFS! Of course he has the right!

He was racially abused by the biggotted big man from Chelsea ... who was 'kicked out' .... for 4 feckin games. Then his club ... who by the way have a zero tolerance of racial abuse (???) not only keep him on the playing staff but keep him as captain!!!!! Yet Chelsea wore the tee shirt yesterday, oh what irony! So the clubs who are wearing this tee shirt are not taking it seriously at all.

You can't see Rio's point?
 
Randall Flagg said:
It is all over the papers today, so rio got his attention he craves.

Now lets hope he does something with it in a positive way. Actively try to improve the situation would be a start.

It's a hassle Utd could do without. I totally understand why Fergie is pissed. Rio should have gone about this in a different way.
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It is all over the papers today, so SAF got his attention he craves.

Now lets hope he does something with it in a positive way. Actively try to improve the situation would be a start.

It's a hassle Utd could do without. I totally understand why Rio is pissed. SAF should have gone about this in a different way.

I have tweaked your post slightly, RF.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Not wearing a shirt and silly tweets is attention whoring. It puts him in the spotlight and keeps people asking questions.

A proper articulate interview conducted in a proper manner I have no issue with and I would like to see.

I have considered Rio to be a twat for many, many years. It's not a recent thing. He has a catalogue of annoyances.
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So an interview on national tv is seeking less attention than not putting on an item of clothing?
 
Varun_Utd said:
Doesnt fit in with your "he did it because he craves attention" and "its something United could have done without" comments though. It'd give him more attention and cause even more scrutiny around the club.
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No, it wouldn't. If done correctly it would be a good thing for the campaign going forward. This would not bring a negative affect on the club.
 
Randall Flagg said:
No, it wouldn't. If done correctly it would be a good thing for the campaign going forward. This would not bring a negative affect on the club.
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ofcourse it would. how will a TV interview with Sky cause less attention than not wearing a tshirt?

Neither episodes bring a negative impact on the club unless you're someone who believes everyone has to do what SAF says regardless of whether they believe in it and it affects the club negatively if it doesnt happen. Rio believes in something personally and has made a stand. SAF has no right to tell him what to do.
 
Randall Flagg said:
No, it wouldn't. If done correctly it would be a good thing for the campaign going forward. This would not bring a negative affect on the club.
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SAF could easily have said, I completely understand Rio's feelings and those running the campaign should take note of players grievances. Would have been great for the club, SAF, Rio, and the campaign.
 
What I would say its not too late. It's done now and he still has a chance to make it into a good thing.

But if he stays silent or tweets something's stupid it will mean it was all for nothing.

If it means kick starting or revamping the campaign so be it. But he has to follow this through IMO
 
Unfortunately I suspect the old 'more trouble than he's worth' thoughts that doomed Beckham, Stam and Ince may be running through Fergie's head today.
 
Had this been a white player not wearing the t-shirt it would have been completely understandable SAF throwing tantrums...
 
Sultan said:
SAF could easily have said, I completely understand Rio's feelings and those running the campaign should take note of players grievances. Would have been great for the club, SAF, Rio, and the campaign.
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Yeah exactly, even after he'd taken his stance he could have brushed it off but he's really escalated the situation. I don't even know how much legal power fergie has to punish rio, you can't force someone to take part in a cause, you can ask then to but if they dot believe in it you can't make them. Thought the reading manager got his comment spot on, fergies seem to be more a personal affront and the situation is bigger than that.
 
Spoony Kobayashi said:
It's a huge call by Rio if you think about it, I suspect he knew it'd cause a storm and possibly spell an end to his United career, but he feels passionately about the issue. Ironically Terry and Suarez were backed by their clubs despite their brushes with racism, yet Rio may get the sack because he 'voiced' his disapproval of the Kick It campaign and the FA. I mean, it's ridiculous.
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True, but everybody laughed at the clubs backing Terry and Suarez... it wasn't a good thing. (Not for them anyway.)

I feel that Rio should have worn the shirt. Nobody was asking him to kiss up to the people in charge, but the message should have been put out there. It's more important than personal feelings about whoever is behind it.

At the same time SAF shouldn't have guaranteed all players would wear it without speaking to Rio first.
 
Crumpsall Red said:
Personally if I was Rio I would have worn the shirt and crossed out the word Racism and replaced it with 'John Terry'
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:smirk:

That would have been a story
 
Sultan said:
It is all over the papers today, so SAF got his attention he craves.

Now lets hope he does something with it in a positive way. Actively try to improve the situation would be a start.

It's a hassle Utd could do without. I totally understand why Rio is pissed. SAF should have gone about this in a different way.

I have tweaked your post slightly, RF.
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Fergie has just showed himself to be petulant , I think. He's more upset that Rio disobeyed him than anything else.
 
EricaNo7 said:
Fergie has just showed himself to be petulant , I think. He's more upset that Rio disobeyed him than anything else.
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I'd have supported SAF had the "Kick It Out campaign" called for Suarez and Terry to be sacked.
 
So someone says one racist word or 2 in the heat of the moment or whatever, does that means he deserves to be sacked? Terry should've been sacked?? People don't get sacked for breaking someone's leg, but they should be sacked for one comment in the heat of the moment? 8 match ban for suarez and all the humiliation isn't enough?

Its not like any of those have been proven to be racist, just one racist comment.
 
i dont know if it has been posted or not, but there are rumours that rio will be fined two weeks wages.
 
It's hypocritical for Chelsea and Liverpool to insist their players wear those t-shirts when those found guilty of racism are still at their clubs, supported, and even retained as leaders (Terry).
 
Sultan said:
I'd have supported SAF had the "Kick It Out campaign" called for Suarez and Terry to be sacked.
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Yes exactly. I've just watched his interview, and Shearer had a good point, he thought it would get more attention for the campaign because Rio didn't wear the shirt. I can understand it, and I wish Fergie could have expressed himself a little more diplomatically
 
TheBest said:
So someone says one racist word or 2 in the heat of the moment or whatever, does that means he deserves to be sacked? Terry should've been sacked?? People don't get sacked for breaking someone's leg, but they should be sacked for one comment in the heat of the moment? 8 match ban for suarez and all the humiliation isn't enough?

Its not like any of those have been proven to be racist, just one racist comment.
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In any work place you would face instant dismissal. They were found guilty of using racist language. Keep up!
 
Crumpsall Red said:
Ferdinands brother was racially abused FFS! Of course he has the right!

He was racially abused by the biggotted big man from Chelsea ... who was 'kicked out' .... for 4 feckin games. Then his club ... who by the way have a zero tolerance of racial abuse (???) not only keep him on the playing staff but keep him as captain!!!!! Yet Chelsea wore the tee shirt yesterday, oh what irony! So the clubs who are wearing this tee shirt are not taking it seriously at all.

You can't see Rio's point?
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Of course I understand Rio's point but he should be making it on his own time rather than going against the clubs decision.

The issue here isn't KIO, It's Ferdinand going rogue rather than representing the views of his employers like he's paid to do.

As an aside I don't think devaluing KIO benefits anyway. You can still support it and make the point they need to do more.
 
TheBest said:
So someone says one racist word or 2 in the heat of the moment or whatever, does that means he deserves to be sacked? Terry should've been sacked?? People don't get sacked for breaking someone's leg, but they should be sacked for one comment in the heat of the moment? 8 match ban for suarez and all the humiliation isn't enough?

Its not like any of those have been proven to be racist, just one racist comment.
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What would happen if you got into an argument at work and did the same?

'heat of the moment' excuses using racist insults, does it?
 
EricaNo7 said:
Yes exactly. I've just watched his interview, and Shearer had a good point, he thought it would get more attention for the campaign because Rio didn't wear the shirt. I can understand it, and I wish Fergie could have expressed himself a little more diplomatically
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Shearer's been reading my posts. ;)
 
Sultan said:
In any work place you would face instant dismissal. They were found guilty of using racist language. Keep up!
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But in other places you are supposed to be in calm state. You have to take into account that it was in the heat of the moment. I can't agree with sacking on this issue unless someone is guilty of it on more than one occasion.
 
PLaying football is a job. If your employer tells you to wear something whilst performing your job you do it. IF and I stress the if, rio was told he would be expected to wear the shirt and dint mention to SAF he wasnt going to that is misconduct. He should be thinking less about making a stand and fecking about on twitter and more about his part in our fecking diabolical defending this season, if he cannt focus he should take some time off, unpaid, and not come back until he can focus.
 
Rado_N said:
What would happen if you got into an argument at work and did the same?

'heat of the moment' excuses using racist insults, does it?
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Its hardly the same. In work places even calling someone's mother a whore or something isn't exactly acceptable. Not the same on football field.
 
Lawman said:
Spoony I don't think this is going to have a major impact on Rio's career here, but Fergie should have a word with him. This is bigger than his brother's or anybody else's personal opinion. The kick it out campaign is not perfect far from it but its a step in the right direction, and therefore should be supported. I have empathy for all those players who chose not to wear the T-shirts yesterday but I think this campaign needs unity. The F.A. are trying just look how far we are ahead of Serbia they won't even admit there is a problem. We are trying every little helps and God forbid we go back to the 80's culture regarding racism.
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The problem is it's a step in the right direction that took place almost 20 years ago, and what progress has been made since? If last year and the U21 game in Serbia are anything to go by, not a huge amount. Black and players of other ethnicity must surely feel as though not enough is being done and would like to see more proactivity from an organisation that is supposed to represent them.
 
Smores said:
Of course I understand Rio's point but he should be making it on his own time rather than going against the clubs decision.

The issue here isn't KIO, It's Ferdinand going rogue rather than representing the views of his employers like he's paid to do.

As an aside I don't think devaluing KIO benefits anyway. You can still support it and make the point they need to do more.
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He gets paid to play football. The club do not own him! It's not as if he came out to play in a different coloured shirt, or refused to wear the clubs suit.
 
Sultan said:
This to me seems like bullying on SAF's part, because he was undermined.

It would be a further insult to fine or reprimand Rio after what's gone over the year. His brother was racially abused and the judicial system, FA, and the England management put the Euro's (football) ahead of racism by contriving to delay Terry's case, and the FA inquiry - Rio was even dropped from the England team so Terry could be accommodated.

How is Rio and other black players supposed to think and react to a campaign who have effectively remained so quiet over the year?
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This is the long and short of it, then this week after Serbia the FA request that the club's wear these shirts yet have created a huge mess here?

Looking at it no fecking way would I have worn the shirt
 
Sultan said:
He gets paid to play football. The club do not own him! It's not as if he came out to play in a different coloured shirt, or refused to wear the clubs suit.
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And its not as if its a fifty hour a week job. He can use some of his vast amounts of spare time to make whatever stand he likes, not when he is on the clubs time.
 
That'sHernandez said:
The problem is it's a step in the right direction that took place almost 20 years ago, and what progress has been made since? If last year and the U21 game in Serbia are anything to go by, not a huge amount. Black and players of other ethnicity must surely feel as though not enough is being done and would like to see more proactivity from an organisation that is supposed to represent them.
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Stopping supporting them and stopping displaying the message to the world, is hardly going to bring about more proactiveness.

IMO the sensible thing would have been to wear the shirt, show that you believe in the message and then off the field, do something to address the people you have lost faith in. Call a meeting of players and chair concerns to them, get involved yourself and get your points and views across. Anything other than refusing to be a part of it, which doesn't help anybody with anything.
 
Smores said:
Of course I understand Rio's point but he should be making it on his own time rather than going against the clubs decision.

The issue here isn't KIO, It's Ferdinand going rogue rather than representing the views of his employers like he's paid to do.

As an aside I don't think devaluing KIO benefits anyway. You can still support it and make the point they need to do more.
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The problem is, there's less incentive to do more without the kind of media coverage Ferdinand has caused. Sometimes change has to be forced through, not talked about.
 
Zarlak said:
Stopping supporting them and stopping displaying the message to the world, is hardly going to bring about more proactiveness.

IMO the sensible thing would have been to wear the shirt, show that you believe in the message and then off the field, do something to address the people you have lost faith in. Call a meeting of players and chair concerns to them, get involved yourself and get your points and views across. Anything other than refusing to be a part of it, which doesn't help anybody with anything.
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The players might have done all that behind the scenes and not succeeded. Rio could have inadvertently created publicity needed to change the way the campaign is run in the future.
 
Zarlak said:
Stopping supporting them and stopping displaying the message to the world, is hardly going to bring about more proactiveness.

IMO the sensible thing would have been to wear the shirt, show that you believe in the message and then off the field, do something to address the people you have lost faith in. Call a meeting of players and chair concerns to them, get involved yourself and get your points and views across. Anything other than refusing to be a part of it, which doesn't help anybody with anything.
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Could be right, though if you feel the organisation isn't adequately representing your needs, what motivation do you have to support it? For example would you vote for the Lib Dems after they dropped a policy you felt strongly about?
 
I can understand Ferdinand not wanting to do this - but the fact is, he is employed by Manchester United and he was ordered by his boss to do this. I slaughtered Suarez when he made a mockery out of Dalglish after Kenny said in the press that he would shake Evra's hand.

Ferdinand has now done exactly the same - he has undermined Fergusons authority. That rarely ends well - luckily for Rio, Ferguson has few players to choose from right now. But I wouldn't want to be the one talking to Ferguson after undermining his authority in the press
 
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