The piece of skill from Anderson was simply a nice show of improvisation as far as I can see. The bouncing ball made it semi-difficult to kill the ball with one touch, there was no easy first time ball and he had two players coming at him from opposing angles - thus, move into the space. I can understand not liking flair, but improvisation is another thing all together...I can guarantee Xavi's done stuff like that more often than Anderson has over the past 5 years.
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Fabregas and latterly Ramsey have been guilty of lots of shite showboat crap. The backheel is particularly a piece of shite - watch any PL game and watch how many times players just give the ball away with a blindcunto backheel. Again it's not rocket science - if you're not looking you don't know who or what is behind you.
This is what backheels do for you:
But that's precisely the point. Anderson is not deep inside his own half, he does not do it blind, and he does clearly put us in a stronger, more threatening position by doing it than by not doing it. What's not to like?
As Brwned said, it's exactly the sort of thing Xavi does.
As Brwned said, it's exactly the sort of thing Xavi does.
Yes, 30 yards from goal when being shut down by 2 players. Bit different to the Anderson flick.
Why is everybody arguing with Pete. You all know that 90% of the time he talks shit, just ignore him.
Me thinks Pete might be on a (yet another) windup.
Pete has a point, in general, but I don't think Anderson was doing that as a 'showboat'. It seemed like the best option for him in the circumstance; he had his back turned to the players making a run and he was getting closed down quickly and he did what he could.
He hasnt. Period
His overall point is that most fancy tricks achieve nothing and usually there's a simple ball on instead that would be more beneficial for the team. Don't you agree? From a spectators' point of view I don't mind an unnecessary trick because it adds a bit of fun to the game (see Nani's completely and utterly pointless backheel v Chelsea, gave me a chuckle). Anderson's trick was entertaining and useful. Ronaldinho was the ultimate showboater but so many of his flicks up that left wing to Gio/Sylvinho really did contribute positively to the play by simply bamboozling the defenders and creating space where there was none.
Bamboozling, what a strange word.
Bamboozling, what a strange word.
If Cazorla did that we would not hear the end of it.
Anderson has all the ability in the world, just needs to stay fit and he will improve drastically. Glad to see he is getting recognition even from the boss, that should give him confidence for the future.
Anderson has all the ability in the world, just needs to stay fit and he will improve drastically. Glad to see he is getting recognition even from the boss, that should give him confidence for the future.
Well then his post was more then off topic as Anderson's way of coming out of that situation was brilliant and much more than showboating.
Of course he knows that as well and is just frustrated that we got a player like him and was talking utter bollox when it comes to him from day one.
Pretty much!
Surprised by how many people in the match thread don't want or expect him to start. Personally I've thought a three in the middle (whether as the back and sides of a diamond or the midfield of a 433) of him, Cleverley and Carrick has been a no-brainer for a while now. But after his performance against Chelsea, surely he deserves to start?
Fitness shouldn't be a huge worry. As we know, he's definitely not fat right now or anything, and if he tires after 70 minutes then we can just bring Scholes on. Fergie likes to do that anyway.
Has the lad had a bad game this season? Only had chances here and there, but if I remember correctly he's shone in all of them. Plus he's often excelled against Arsenal in the past, able to match them for skill and outmuscle them with strength.
Fitness shouldn't be a huge worry. As we know, he's definitely not fat right now or anything, and if he tires after 70 minutes then we can just bring Scholes on. Fergie likes to do that anyway.
Has the lad had a bad game this season? Only had chances here and there, but if I remember correctly he's shone in all of them. Plus he's often excelled against Arsenal in the past, able to match them for skill and outmuscle them with strength.
Anderson's great and all but I don't think anyone's jealous that we have him.
He's not even rated outside Utd anymore.
I have to agree with Pete on the point that we would be better served by playing him in the hole behind the striker or as the most advanced midfielder in a midfield three. Anderson's biggest strength are his creativity and natural flair, that would be better utilized playing in the number 10 role. He wouldn't have to curb his natural attacking instinct and afford to be more adventurous. He also has the ability to to defend from the front and win the ball back high up the pitch. Playing in the central midfield requires stamina and concentration for the entire 90 minutes, two things that are not his strongest suite. Anderson also lacks the necessary discipline to become a really great central midfielder.
If we, as a team can have a definite style of play than we can alternate Kagawa and Anderson in the number 10 position. The problem is we have too many good strikers and not enough quality in central midfield to play a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 consistently.
If we, as a team can have a definite style of play than we can alternate Kagawa and Anderson in the number 10 position. The problem is we have too many good strikers and not enough quality in central midfield to play a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 consistently.
No no no, he needs to keep everything simple, flair is bad!
Pete loves him and wants his kids
Damn all those flair hating know-nothings!
really impressed me so far this season.
it's tough though, I mean he should play more often, and I agree that we should play him, Cleverley and Carrick as a midfield 3, however as Forevergiggs mentioned we've got too many great options up front (strikers, wingers) to play something like 4-3-3 too often.
it's tough though, I mean he should play more often, and I agree that we should play him, Cleverley and Carrick as a midfield 3, however as Forevergiggs mentioned we've got too many great options up front (strikers, wingers) to play something like 4-3-3 too often.
Que people in match day thread complaining about his "Hollywood passes" once he tries something a tad creative and risky.
I don't think Ando would be better served as hole player. He is far better playing deeper where he is then able to drive the team forward with one of his runs plus has the strength/tenacity to harass players of the ball.
As a hole player, not sure if I've seen enough in terms of movement, finding pockets of space to receive the ball and make things happen.
Either way, I do hope we start seeing more of him.
As a hole player, not sure if I've seen enough in terms of movement, finding pockets of space to receive the ball and make things happen.
Either way, I do hope we start seeing more of him.
IMO Anderson's most effective when playing in a midfield 3 and being the one furthest up top and/or just basicaly making the most runs forward.
I know you could make a case for like 90% of the midfielders that they play at their best when in a midfield 3, but I don't know how else to put it.
Then you've also got to factor in everything else that's been going on at the club and with him personaly.
He's been here for a while, and while we (atleast I know I did) always knew he had something special in him he hasn't really proven his worth here yet. He is/was injury prone, he has/had some problem with his stamina (which could directly be linked to being out so often due to being injury prone), and hasn't really been consistent.
That is until he started playing with Cleverley. It's like he plays in a whole different gear when he's on the field with Cleverley, and although he was generaly inconsistent, I find it to be that he's very consistent alongside him, basicaly every game those 2 played together Anderson has been good and much more effective than when they're not.
And let's not forget about the simple fact that a midfield 3 won't be used so often because we just have too many talented options up front. Granted we'll be playing a midfield 3 more often than we were last year, but still.
Kagawa and Rooney are capable of playing in midfield, and it's something we'll see quite often as a result of accomodating other forwards, meaning that 1 spot will probably be taken regardless.
I really don't know what to say, I mean I really want to see him make it here, he's got the attitude and the skills, but I'm not as certain with him as I am with some other players, I just know that if we let him go we'll regret it.
I know you could make a case for like 90% of the midfielders that they play at their best when in a midfield 3, but I don't know how else to put it.
Then you've also got to factor in everything else that's been going on at the club and with him personaly.
He's been here for a while, and while we (atleast I know I did) always knew he had something special in him he hasn't really proven his worth here yet. He is/was injury prone, he has/had some problem with his stamina (which could directly be linked to being out so often due to being injury prone), and hasn't really been consistent.
That is until he started playing with Cleverley. It's like he plays in a whole different gear when he's on the field with Cleverley, and although he was generaly inconsistent, I find it to be that he's very consistent alongside him, basicaly every game those 2 played together Anderson has been good and much more effective than when they're not.
And let's not forget about the simple fact that a midfield 3 won't be used so often because we just have too many talented options up front. Granted we'll be playing a midfield 3 more often than we were last year, but still.
Kagawa and Rooney are capable of playing in midfield, and it's something we'll see quite often as a result of accomodating other forwards, meaning that 1 spot will probably be taken regardless.
I really don't know what to say, I mean I really want to see him make it here, he's got the attitude and the skills, but I'm not as certain with him as I am with some other players, I just know that if we let him go we'll regret it.
Thought he was really good. He really does have something we lack in the midfield at times. He is happy with the ball at his feet, taking a player or two on and taking big strides forward.
His fitness is a worry...if it was better I'd say start him ahead of Tom on Saturday.
His fitness is a worry...if it was better I'd say start him ahead of Tom on Saturday.
He's better if his responsibilities are mainly attacking, but not in an advanced position, and certainly not as a number 10. I see it this way:
Anderson: strength, a lovely burst of acceleration into space, an eye for a gamble, whether in the form of a through ball or an extended dribble, can beat a man if there's space available, good long passer. Somewhat erratic control, and a tendency to take the risky option too often.
Cleverley: tight close control, can maintain possession and use the ball when closely marked, not a dribbler per se, but excellent at escaping pressure with a bit of footwork in a tight space, rarely loses the ball, good short passer. No real pace or acceleration, and a tendency to take the safe option too often.
They're both best when their defensive responsibilities are reduced by someone like Carrick. But Cleverley's close control and consistency mean he's very good on the edge of the opposition box, where he can keep a move going under pressure from defenders, and make use of his lovely one-touch short passing. if he sits too deep, his 'safe' passing stops being a positive and becomes a negative, slowing the momentum of our attacks.
Meanwhile Anderson is best starting deeper and running into the space, so as to be able to use his burst of acceleration to beat a man, his long passing and eye for the through ball (or pass out wide) to send someone in behind the defence before they form up. His slightly inconsistent first touch and the fact that he dribbles best with a bit of room rather than in tight spaces also lend themselves to a deeper starting position. His 'hollywood' tendency is suited to a deeper position, where things are more likely to come off. Starting too high up the pitch, he'd just lose the ball a lot.
Basically, it's a Toure/Nasri situation. One needs to drive from deep, the other to tiki-taka closer to the goal. Both benefit from Carrick's presence. As a 3-man midfield they are wonderfully balanced. I say start them all together.
Anderson: strength, a lovely burst of acceleration into space, an eye for a gamble, whether in the form of a through ball or an extended dribble, can beat a man if there's space available, good long passer. Somewhat erratic control, and a tendency to take the risky option too often.
Cleverley: tight close control, can maintain possession and use the ball when closely marked, not a dribbler per se, but excellent at escaping pressure with a bit of footwork in a tight space, rarely loses the ball, good short passer. No real pace or acceleration, and a tendency to take the safe option too often.
They're both best when their defensive responsibilities are reduced by someone like Carrick. But Cleverley's close control and consistency mean he's very good on the edge of the opposition box, where he can keep a move going under pressure from defenders, and make use of his lovely one-touch short passing. if he sits too deep, his 'safe' passing stops being a positive and becomes a negative, slowing the momentum of our attacks.
Meanwhile Anderson is best starting deeper and running into the space, so as to be able to use his burst of acceleration to beat a man, his long passing and eye for the through ball (or pass out wide) to send someone in behind the defence before they form up. His slightly inconsistent first touch and the fact that he dribbles best with a bit of room rather than in tight spaces also lend themselves to a deeper starting position. His 'hollywood' tendency is suited to a deeper position, where things are more likely to come off. Starting too high up the pitch, he'd just lose the ball a lot.
Basically, it's a Toure/Nasri situation. One needs to drive from deep, the other to tiki-taka closer to the goal. Both benefit from Carrick's presence. As a 3-man midfield they are wonderfully balanced. I say start them all together.
Bloody hell it's not that good
Looked good again.
Totally destroyed the space again tonight.
Just stay fit.
Just stay fit.
He has been in and out so much that I forgot how good is Ando's long passing. Came on and immediately made us look better with his passing. Top performances the last two games.
that cross field pass to Valencia
Should be starting. I continue to believe Cleverson should be our first choice centre midfield.
Another good cameo. I want Cleverley to play in the CL in midweek and Anderson to play in the PL next time. He deserves it.
He seems to have a great connection with RVP and is the only player other than Rooney who is able to understand when to play the ball in behind the opposition defense. RVP was played in behind so many more times after Ando came on. Of course thats partly down to them being 10 men and tired, but even taking that into account there was a significant change when Ando came on.
He seems to have a great connection with RVP and is the only player other than Rooney who is able to understand when to play the ball in behind the opposition defense. RVP was played in behind so many more times after Ando came on. Of course thats partly down to them being 10 men and tired, but even taking that into account there was a significant change when Ando came on.
Would love to see this in our next game.
Yes, after a great game from Carrick and invisible performance from Cleverley it makes sense to drop Carrick and play a centre midfield with no defensive presence.
Start him. Alongside Clev. Looked on fire when he came on
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