Anyone else think he'll be City player cum next season? I've heard a few rumours in Manny pointing to that direction.
Cristiano Ronaldo
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that made me cringe mate.
Messi doesnt have the abs ronaldo does, but he actually shows more strength when being tackled than your man does. I think a lot of that is for vanity too if I'm being honest. But he is an unbelievable athlete.
Well yes, that's the key point. It's his immense ability and intelligence that sets him light years apart from anyone else. What you say is almost an understatement. His fitness levels are in no way a liability.
Nah, I think he's bob on, Ronaldo looks great shirtless.
I know it's a bit cliché at this stage, but it's true. The PL isnt as physical as everyone says it is. If Mata, Silva, Cazorla, etc can do as well as they are doing the PL, then Messi would destroy the PL. He may not be a brute, but how often have you seen him brushed off the ball? I've watched a lot of Barca, and I dont think Ive ever seen someone push him off the ball. I dont see how anyone can say Messi wouldnt do as well as Ronaldo in the PL.
You think Messi is an unbelievable athlete? Really, like honestly? I would imagine he's not even top 100 in terms of athletism in the world just talking footballers - not even close.
He is quite good at not getting knocked down, but he has an amazing balance and agility coupled with those quick feet of his that always make him able to stand on his feet very well.
I always laugh out loud when Messi is talked about as being the fastest footballer on earth - that just goes to say how much Messi-fanboyism there is. He wouldn't stand a chance in a flat out sprint against Ronaldo, Walcott, blaszczykowski, Valencia, Bale, etc.
And that is partly what bugs me, that Messi fanboys argue that he is the best athlete, the fastest, the strongest (think we'll give that one to Micah Richards, just ask Glen Johnson), etc, which just isn't true. He has the most amazing close control that I've ever seen in a footballer, and he has quick feet, terrific agility, an amazing left foot, but don't pretend he is the ultimate athlete, because he isn't - nor does he have to be.
People have said for years that Messi wouldn't cope with the more physical environment here, but it's nonsense. People said the same about talented footballers such as Silva and Mata, and they've shown that their ability can triumph over the 'physical' game here.
Messi may not be as strong as Ronaldo, but he's still strong and has good balance for a smaller player. With his ridiculous ball control and dribbling skill anyway, he doesn't even need to be strong, because quite often those strong players just can't get anywhere near him.
Ronaldo is a complete player and has everything to his game, but that doesn't make him better than Messi, who isn't exactly lacking in any departments that I can think of. Him being a small player doesn't make him weak. He's not just a notch below Messi when it comes to technique and ability either; Messi is in a league of his own and despite Ronaldo being incredible, Messi's ability is just so much better.
I've thought Messi was better for a considerable while now, but I used to think they were quite close. Messi was better, but I could've understood a lot of your points. It's ridiculous now though. Messi is better. It's not a matter of opinion anymore to be honest.
Messi may not be as strong as Ronaldo, but he's still strong and has good balance for a smaller player. With his ridiculous ball control and dribbling skill anyway, he doesn't even need to be strong, because quite often those strong players just can't get anywhere near him.
Ronaldo is a complete player and has everything to his game, but that doesn't make him better than Messi, who isn't exactly lacking in any departments that I can think of. Him being a small player doesn't make him weak. He's not just a notch below Messi when it comes to technique and ability either; Messi is in a league of his own and despite Ronaldo being incredible, Messi's ability is just so much better.
I've thought Messi was better for a considerable while now, but I used to think they were quite close. Messi was better, but I could've understood a lot of your points. It's ridiculous now though. Messi is better. It's not a matter of opinion anymore to be honest.
Indeed, but you came on as more gay than I did saying it
Er...
I've bolded out the parts where I agree 100% with you. Messi excels because of a few insane attributes; his technique is on a different level altogether. Ronaldo is great, but many players would be up there with him. Ronaldo excels because of his package (no gay puns please) - he has all the required physical attributes and great technique with fantastic finishing.
The reason I would take Ronaldo is because I know he would be terrific and I know that he deals well with the physical fast paced game in the PL; I'm just not convinced that Messi will, even if Mata and Silva are coping well.
As I said, at Barca, Messi is the best player in the world; at his national team he isn't yet, but getting there, so we can only speculate if he would be good in the PL - we know Ronaldo would, though he is neither brilliant for Portugal.
actually I was talking about Ronaldo as an athlete. But Messi isn't bad either, probably accelerates faster than any player.
As for fanboyism, this is redcafe, theres a massive amount of Ronaldo fanboyism, you've regularly got people crying about how they miss him like dumped girls who refuse to move on.
Anyway, Ronaldo's losing his physique, just the other day I saw a photo that shocked me
Was he not talking about Ronaldo there? I know it isn't clear. But I assumed he was saying Ronaldo was an incredible athlete, because of the vanity comment. Messi doesn't strike me as vain.
Ronaldo's got proper sexy legs and all.
In yer face Messi.
In yer face Messi.
that's the complete opposite of Messi fanboyism, don't kid yourself. He'd take the piss in the premier league, everyone knows it whether or not they'd like to admit it. Maybe people are trying to convince themselves they wouldn't for one crucial reason
That reason being it's about the only thing left that Ronnie holds over Messi (having played in two different top leagues)
actually I was talking about Ronaldo as an athlete. But Messi isn't bad either, probably accelerates faster than any player.
As for fanboyism, this is redcafe, theres a massive amount of Ronaldo fanboyism, you've regularly got people crying about how they miss him like dumped girls who refuse to move on.
Anyway, Ronaldo's losing his physique, just the other day I saw a photo that shocked me
That is clearly fat Ronaldo!
Sorry that I misread your post - then we agree. Lennon accelerates faster than any player - insane! But yeah, I get what you are saying - just bugs me that people actually believe that Messi is the fastest player out there. I am aware that there is massive Ronaldo fanboyism out on this forum, but I can understand those who think that Ronaldo is a more complete footballer - as I actually think so too, but Messi is the better player, go figure.
I just don't see anything to say that Messi wouldn't cope in the Premier League though. Unless you misuse him, then he'll be incredible. Every player is like that though, even Ronaldo. Just because he's played in the league before, it wouldn't make him anymore likely to perform. It's a different league; not a different sport. Use Messi correctly and he'll be ridiculously good. There's no being unsure of him not being good in this league, which is clutching at straws really.
Speed with a ball at feet is different to pure speed. Sure Kuba, Lennon, Valencia, etc. wouldnt stand a chance against Bolt in a sprint, but they're still 'faster' in a footballing sense. Messi is amazingly fast running with a ball, but I suppose thats down to his dribbling more than speed. Give a ball to each of those players, and get them to race the length of the pitch, without hitting the ball, say, 3 yards ahead of themselves, and I guarantee Messi would win.
He's really, really not though. Messi is better than Ronaldo, comfortably at that. I don't see how it's debatable.
See, now you just lost that final "Er..." as well
I would much rather take his pecks than his legs though - I can wear trousers!
Ronaldo isn't as good as Messi. Tbh, I'd probably have Iniesta closer to Ronaldo than Ronaldo is to Messi.
The post about there being a difference between pure speed and footballing speed is correct. Messi may not be the fastest, but it doesn't matter too much when he's as comfortable on the ball as he is. A player can be as fast as they want, but if they're an attacker then what's the use if they can't control a football? What Messi lacks in pure speed, he makes up for by being so relaxed and comfortable on a football that he hardly has to slow down.
He's an incredible athlete too. Excels in pretty much all parts of the game and manages to maintain a very low injury record despite playing a ridiculous amount of football at the very highest level.
I actually think Ronaldo's better than Maradona, Best and Pele put together. Did they have a six pack? Or huge testicles? Did they look as good in an Hawaiian shirt? Did they heck. Ronaldo all the way.
He's got great close control, but again you are missing my point here. I'm all in for Messi being great with the ball, has terrific acceleration and all that, but he doesn't have great top speed - and that is all there is to say about that. Kaka properly outpaced him, running WITH the ball - why does it have to be 3 yards ahead if there is no one in front of you, kick and run sometimes work.
Why does it hurt too much for Messi fans to come out and say that "hey, you are right, he isn't as athletic as Ronaldo, and he isn't as fast" - it doesn't make him any less good, it just makes the debate a bit more common sense.
Who is Kuba btw? I must watch him if he is that lightning.
Aren't you a funny one - are you suggesting I ever said as much?
I said that some players excel because of their physique. Fat-Ronaldo was amazing because of his ridiculous pace - his acceleration would probably leave Bolt thinking (there is an American football player who is faster on a 40m sprint than Bolt, so don't ha ha me).
Ronaldo is fantastic because he spent a lot of time working on his physique; when he came to United he was far from being one of the fastest footballers - a 33 year old Giggs was faster, as was a 34 year old Overmars. He worked his butt off and was rewarded for it. As I said, Ibrahimovic benefits from being big and strong, as Walcott benefits from being very, very quick. Ronaldo is both relatively big and was relatively fast, but now he is strong and very fast due to working out. Don't see how that was ridiculous!?
Ronaldo is obviously faster than Messi, and stronger too. However, I'd fancy Vidic (as an example) to push Ronaldo off the ball, but not so much Messi. Though that is a mix of his balance, speed and strength. If you're having a bench pressing conpetition, Ronaldo would win though. Ronaldo is faster than Messi, but thats so often useless if you can't dribble past the opposition at speed. Players like Mata and Iniesta, and Rooney ad RVP aren't fast at all, but are some of the best players in the best players in the world. Closs control and dribbling beats speed any day, for me anyway.
Kuba is that Blazcykowsky dude, but I'm fecked if Im trying to spell that properly!
He's just being sarcastic, you must be a laugh a minute on a night out Rossa, 'kin hell!
I agree to an extent, ronaldo's pace is really HUGE to his game.
I agree to an extent, ronaldo's pace is really HUGE to his game.
You must be one of the Daily Mail Messi fanbois:
I'm not. I just appreciate the beautiful game and think there's far more to it than scoring goals and statistics.
I fail to see what's funny about stating he's the greatest player ever. He's certainly up there and he's only 25.
Ronaldo's a great player but to say he's "as good as Messi" is too far. You're entitled to your opinion but I believe it to be a steaming pile of shite, no offence intended.
Please, please, tell me you are joking. Having sixpacks means you are more fit football player?
If it's like that, then ok. I wouldn't have posted it if I didn't find more sources to confirm it, so it's not my fault.
Please, please, tell me you are joking. Having sixpacks means you are more fit football player?
It's not about sixpacks as such, it's about physique, strength and fitness. At the end of the day, football is also sports, you know. How difficult is that to understand?
Firstly, this is putting into context the argument that Cristiano Ronaldo is a better goalscorer than Ronaldo based on his goal return in recent seasons. All I'm doing is contextualising those figures, and that applies for both Barcelona and Real Madrid and their unprecedented level of domestic dominance. I've done the same countless times for the Messi/Maradona debates whenever anyone discredits Diego based on his lower goal return, ignoring the myriad factors contributing towards those statistics.
I've only included seasons when both players were considered 'world class', there's little point in including Ronaldo's time in Brazil or Cristiano Ronaldo's time in Portugal because it's a million miles away from what we're judging the two players on. Cristiano Ronaldo scored 9 league goals in 2005/06 in any case.
He was talking about his sixpacks, it's obvious because he mentioned taking his shirt off, but I will still answer to your post.
Strength? Physique? Yes, Ronaldo looks like a monster, but what is the point of that if you he doesn't use it on the pitch? Except for his excellent pace, I can't find any other from those "outstanding" physic attribute he uses so well. He is quite often beaten in duels against "smaller" players, in most of his 50/50 situation he ends up rolling on the floor asking ref for a foul, while you rarely see any player taking ball from Messi. ?
Fitness? Ronaldo is player who covers less pitch than any other player in Real Madrid team, same can be said about Messi in Barca. They both play almost every game for full 90 minutes, around 70 games per season, and I can't remember when any of them was injured. Can you explain me how Ronaldo beats Messi in this aspect?
Nah, he got his contract sorted out, he is happy again.
Please, please, tell me you are joking. Having sixpacks means you are more fit football player?
Are you being deliberately stupid?
I never talked about his sixpack - read my posts again. I said that you could look at Messi and say he isn't the fittest of all footballers, and you can look at Ronaldo as the opposite - nowhere did I state that he had a sixpack or that I was drooling at the very sight of it, not even that it made him better.
What I was referring to is that for some players it is a huge asset to have pace.
To say that Ronaldo never gets to use his physique is laughable. He uses his pace and strength to score numerous goals - or have you never seen him simply outpace the defense and score goals? His playing style is very different to that of Messi. Messi rarely uses top speed, but Ronaldo does - a lot. When running at full pelt you are very easily shrugged off the ball, unless you are Yaya Toure.
I just don't get what you are aiming at; I said that Messi is the better footballer, at least at Barca, but Ronaldo is more complete, especially physically. What are you arguing about? Who has bigger pecks? (now, say that fast ten times)
I'm sitting here for pete's sake; no one but you and me are laughing, mate
See that was being sarcastic.
Mental argument. Messi is a brilliant athlete. Doesn't matter a jot that he has an extra 2% bodyfat that Ronaldo. Besides, Messi is no string bean. His legs are massive and he's impossible to knock off the ball. That's what being an athlete is, a combination of speed, strength, balance etc. It's all very well bench pressing 500kg but what's the point if you can't apply the strength properly?
Otherwise, all footballers would look like Ade Akinbiyi
Otherwise, all footballers would look like Ade Akinbiyi
wow this thread has turned in to an ABSolute joke, far to gay for my liking.
Ronaldo is one of the best players ever whereas Messi is the best player ever.
Ronaldo is one of the best players ever whereas Messi is the best player ever.
No he aint
I guess these posts are written by somebody else:
What a plonker.
I guess these posts are written by somebody else:
What a plonker.
What the hell are you on about? Where in those quotes did I ever mention sixpack? I said that you could tell a discenible difference in physique between looking at Ronaldo and Messi without a short. Jeeeezz
You are clearly the mistaken one here, so perhaps you should just tuck it in? I said that Ronaldo is clearly more athletic - do you disagree?
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