Benitez to Chelsea Discussion & Sack watch

Well, actually...

A statement about future possible events is never going to be 100% true or 100% false, unless it's a tautology or oxymoron respectively. The gregster not only qualified his statement by stating it as 'opinion' - he also included a proviso as to future events that would establish the truth of his claim.

Even worse, at the moment, Benitez has no 'current success' at all -therefore whatever favourable reputation he has is most certainly based only on 'past glories' at this time. So your claim that he is not 'living on past glories' until some future date, because it also contains an untrue claim about the present, is demonstrably untrue.

Scouse Logic... sucks.

Brilliant :lol:
 
Not quite.

‘Chelsea is a big club with fantastic players, every manager wants to coach a such a big team,’ said the Spaniard. ‘But I would never take that job, in respect for my former team at Liverpool, no matter what. For me there is only club in England, and that’s Liverpool.’

Someone needs to post this on RAWK.
 
Well, actually...

A statement about future possible events is never going to be 100% true or 100% false, unless it's a tautology or oxymoron respectively. The gregster not only qualified his statement by stating it as 'opinion' - he also included a proviso as to future events that would establish the truth of his claim.

Even worse, at the moment, Benitez has no 'current success' at all -therefore whatever favourable reputation he has is most certainly based only on 'past glories' at this time. So your claim that he is not 'living on past glories' until some future date, because it also contains an untrue claim about the present, is demonstrably untrue.

Scouse Logic... sucks.

He also made a statement saying that Rafa 'had lost what he had'. I don't recall seeing any provisio or opinion in that claim. Just in the same way as if I called you a pompous, smart-arse for trying to be clever & going off at a tangent - No tautology or oxymoron there sunshine. Just a good old-fashioned, straight-down-the line, English insult based on what I read.

So what do you reckon about Rafa being at Chelsea then ?
 
Redman's bent right out shape because his beloved Rafa has taken the Mafia man's rouble. I'm sure he had high hopes of a triumphant return to Anfield before it dawned on him that the new owners wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. How long before Redman's handle becomes "Blueman"? ;)

I've already said on this thread that I'm not arsed one way or another about Benitez being at Chelsea. I'm bemused by the reaction of the Chelsea fans, considering that RDM wasn't up to the job, & there isn't a lot of available top class managers out there at the moment - If we were only 4 points off the top, & with the highly talented squad of players that Chelsea have got, I certainly wouldn't be planning to go to the match at the week-end with the sole intention of voicing my displeasure at the appointment of the new guy. Especially when you take into account he's probably only going to be short-term anyway.
 
Well the thing is he hasn't been top class for a while now. And he, in the past, has said some pretty bad things about Chelsea. So I think the reaction from the fans is pretty natural to be fair.

But if it goes well, it will be forgotten pretty quickly I suppose.
 
There's little point in SAF wasting his time on Benitez. He's a sideshow. Well, not on Sunday, he isn't. We'll all be cheering him on.
 
I've already said on this thread that I'm not arsed one way or another about Benitez being at Chelsea. I'm bemused by the reaction of the Chelsea fans, considering that RDM wasn't up to the job, & there isn't a lot of available top class managers out there at the moment - If we were only 4 points off the top, & with the highly talented squad of players that Chelsea have got, I certainly wouldn't be planning to go to the match at the week-end with the sole intention of voicing my displeasure at the appointment of the new guy. Especially when you take into account he's probably only going to be short-term anyway.

So am I. He might eat all the bread but he's a walking, talking circus.
 
He also made a statement saying that Rafa 'had lost what he had'. I don't recall seeing any provisio or opinion in that claim. Just in the same way as if I called you a pompous, smart-arse for trying to be clever & going off at a tangent - No tautology or oxymoron there sunshine. Just a good old-fashioned, straight-down-the line, English insult based on what I read.

So what do you reckon about Rafa being at Chelsea then ?

= 'When unable to make a cogent argument, resort to insult.'

Additionally, given that Rafa's 'glories' have been succeeded by periods of failure, he has indeed diminished his reputation from its 'height'. He lost the aura of a greater percentage of 'success' that he had possessed.

Of course, you also vastly over-rate Rafa's earlier achievements, and try not to think about his many failures, which is why we all believe your forecast of Rafa's future performance is unsound. We have good reason to suspect that his weaknesses will be further revealed.

On Chelsea's future though, it's an interesting dilemma as to which scenario the fans would dread most: Benitez or Abramovich in charge of transfers.
 
There's little point in SAF wasting his time on Benitez. He's a sideshow. Well, not on Sunday, he isn't. We'll all be cheering him on.

Will we, though?

My severe dislike for Benitez means I simply cannot cheer on any team he's associated with, I'm sorry.

I hope City beat them on Sunday. I personally think City's win last weekend is just papering the cracks and they will continue to drop points elsewhere anyway. There's too many egos and personality clashes in that dressing room for it to be a long-standing success, especially now the finger-pointing will start as they're out of Europe*.


*Nobody gives a bollocks about the Europa League.
 
Will we, though?

My severe dislike for Benitez means I simply cannot cheer on any team he's associated with, I'm sorry.

I hope City beat them on Sunday. I personally think City's win last weekend is just papering the cracks and they will continue to drop points elsewhere anyway. There's too many egos and personality clashes in that dressing room for it to be a long-standing success, especially now the finger-pointing will start as they're out of Europe*.


*Nobody gives a bollocks about the Europa League.

I have to agree. I loathe Benitez - personally I hoped he'd go back to Anfield - and I'm not sure I can stomach seeing his smug fat face if they win
 
I have to agree. I loathe Benitez - personally I hoped he'd go back to Anfield - and I'm not sure I can stomach seeing his smug fat face if they win

Not to mention the hysteria the Scousers would bring to the table if it were to happen.

As an aside, and for the shits and giggles, imagine Swansea defeat the Scousers and Chelsea turn over City on Sunday.

RAWK would be absolute gold for a few days. Maybe even weeks.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/nov/23/frank-lampard-ashley-cole-chelsea

Rafa's superior man-management skills come to the fore in his first few moments as CFC manager, telling two of their modern legends to get out!

Malouda's case is a strange one. Any good reason why he's seeing out his contract in the reserves? As far as I could tell, he was a decent squad member for them.

In fact, I'd trust Malouda on the football pitch far more than that egotistical gobshite Daniel Sturridge anyway.
 
You're way off the mark if you're comparing our treatment of Hodgson to the shite Benitez is getting even before Chelsea have kicked a ball under his tenure. It's true that Hodgson wasn't our first choice, but we knew our options were limited. It was only when our worst fears starting to materialise (playing crap football & plunging down the table) did we push to get him removed. Big difference to the way Chelsea fans are at the minute. It's not beyond the realms of possibility he could do well there. Hodgson was given that opportunity before we decided he wasn't the answer.

:lol: bullshit



Edit: ah I see you've already been outed.
 
His dig at SAF was pathetic: 'Arsene Wenger was the best manager here'


Makes me want City to beat Chelsea just to see the dissappointment on hias his fat face on Sunday, which is an odd feeling. Maybe a draw with someone like Toure smashing the ball towards the dugout and getting him right between those brain-dead eyes
 
A draw would be perfect.

Hate Benitez but I am more concerned about United winning.

So both dropping 2 points or gaining only 1 point is perfect as both are our rival this season.
 
But we still cut him some slack in the hope he could prove us wrong, & not turn out to be the incompetent chancer that he obviously is.

Bollocks you did. There was a massive vocal Liverpool component calling for his head before your team had even kicked a ball under him. The quote from you another member found shows that you weren't innocent in that yourself, so particularly hypocritical for you to now be trying to re-write history to show yourself in a falsely better light.
 
I see Benitez has already made a start on his usual MO of trying to set himself up as a saint being constantly let down by the board:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20475371

"it's not fair to tell me I'm only here for seven months and then expect me to have an influence at the club over the next two or three years."
 
Him and Liverpool are perfect for each other. Chelsea fans are not going to enjoy his spell in charge.
 
= 'When unable to make a cogent argument, resort to insult.'

Additionally, given that Rafa's 'glories' have been succeeded by periods of failure, he has indeed diminished his reputation from its 'height'. He lost the aura of a greater percentage of 'success' that he had possessed.

Of course, you also vastly over-rate Rafa's earlier achievements, and try not to think about his many failures, which is why we all believe your forecast of Rafa's future performance is unsound. We have good reason to suspect that his weaknesses will be further revealed.

On Chelsea's future though, it's an interesting dilemma as to which scenario the fans would dread most: Benitez or Abramovich in charge of transfers.

Given the fact that your initial post served only to dissect the wordings of my response to another poster, I'd say my insult was fully justified. Your remarks came across as nerdy & smart-arse, & had no relevance whatsoever to the point in question. You know me well enough by now to know that I use insults very sparingly. So you should be honoured - As for everything else. Have I actually come out & said that Rafa's past, be it good or bad, will have any bearing on what he does at Chelsea ? The point which you, & a few others on here, seem to be ignoring, is the fact that Abramovich had to make a tough decision in getting rid of RDM. He was then left with with very few options as to who could take over with immediate effect. A manager with 2 Spanish league titles under his belt, not to mention getting an inferior English side to 2 CL finals in 3 years (winning one of them), & also getting the same side to runners-up spot in 2009 with 86 points. Only blinkered & biased fools (United & Chelsea fans) could try & come up a with a case against Rafa Benitez. If the Russian had taken him on as permanent manager in the summer, I wouldn't be arguing the toss, because there are better out there. But perhaps you can tell me, who at this present time, is available to take on such a high profile job ?
 
He was only at Inter for a few months but had an influence of a few years there
 
Bollocks you did. There was a massive vocal Liverpool component calling for his head before your team had even kicked a ball under him. The quote from you another member found shows that you weren't innocent in that yourself, so particularly hypocritical for you to now be trying to re-write history to show yourself in a falsely better light.

A 'massive' Liverpool component eh ? Show me where.

My comments came in a thread that was touting Hodgson as a potential successor to Benitez. You show me where I've slagged him off after he was made manager, & before he'd been in charge of his first match.
 
Given the fact that your initial post served only to dissect the wordings of my response to another poster, I'd say my insult was fully justified. Your remarks came across as nerdy & smart-arse, & had no relevance whatsoever to the point in question. You know me well enough by now to know that I use insults very sparingly. So you should be honoured - As for everything else. Have I actually come out & said that Rafa's past, be it good or bad, will have any bearing on what he does at Chelsea ? The point which you, & a few others on here, seem to be ignoring, is the fact that Abramovich had to make a tough decision in getting rid of RDM. He was then left with with very few options as to who could take over with immediate effect. A manager with 2 Spanish league titles under his belt, not to mention getting an inferior English side to 2 CL finals in 3 years (winning one of them), & also getting the same side to runners-up spot in 2009 with 86 points. Only blinkered & biased fools (United & Chelsea fans) could try & come up a with a case against Rafa Benitez. If the Russian had taken him on as permanent manager in the summer, I wouldn't be arguing the toss, because there are better out there. But perhaps you can tell me, who at this present time, is available to take on such a high profile job ?
One thing you seem to be ignoring is that Abramovich didn't actually have to make a change at this point at all. The priority now has to be the league, and I really don't think Rafa gives him much if any likely improvement over the results of the previous team there.

Another problem is that what is really at issue here is contrasting your own unrealistic projections of Rafa's positive influence, based on unrealistic assessements of his past, with the much more negative forecasts produced by your rational opponents. As an example - you mention the highlights, but not the dross surrounding them...

Running LFC into the ground with ludicrous decisions about long-term team structure and partnerships - failing to value highly influential and productive members of his squad properly and thus alienating them. After destroying LFC's then-present and poisoning their future he goes on to destroy another (previously successful) team. The only thing at which Rafa truly succeeded was in pandering to the irrationality and hatreds of LFC supporters.

Lastly, earlier you simply made a wholly false claim ('100% untrue') I just showed it was bullshit - sorry if you didn't like how I did it - but it was too obviously a pile of steaming ordure for me to let pass, and I thought it might be fun to take it apart in a rational manner. I fully understand that rational thought may well be entirely alien to you. :devil:

PS: Paragraphs!!
 
Will we, though?

My severe dislike for Benitez means I simply cannot cheer on any team he's associated with, I'm sorry.

I hope City beat them on Sunday. I personally think City's win last weekend is just papering the cracks and they will continue to drop points elsewhere anyway. There's too many egos and personality clashes in that dressing room for it to be a long-standing success, especially now the finger-pointing will start as they're out of Europe*.


*Nobody gives a bollocks about the Europa League.

I agree, feck us winning the league, Benitez losing a game against City is what matters.
 
A 'massive' Liverpool component eh ? Show me where.

My comments came in a thread that was touting Hodgson as a potential successor to Benitez. You show me where I've slagged him off after he was made manager, & before he'd been in charge of his first match.
Balls to that - better things to do. The reason why you've already had several responses calling out your BS is because it was a big enough reaction to be easily remembered. RAWK was full of it, as were the other Liverpool forums, BBC, and the atmosphere at your games was clear.
 
A 'massive' Liverpool component eh ? Show me where.

My comments came in a thread that was touting Hodgson as a potential successor to Benitez. You show me where I've slagged him off after he was made manager, & before he'd been in charge of his first match.

Do I really have to point out that the remarks you have made about Hodgson earlier in this thread were made 'after he was made manager'?

Or are you intending the conjunction of that condition with the following clause, and thus restricting the field to the brief period between appointment and first match? (If so I'd have advised you to omit the comma, which probably suggests enquiry about 2 separate periods rather than 2 conditions defining a single period).

In any case, it's reasonable to suggest your initial (pre-appointment) negativity towards him carried over towards all interpretations of his tenure and then your reactions. You could never give the poor b*gger a realistic chance anyway.
 
Balls to that - better things to do. The reason why you've already had several responses calling out your BS is because it was a big enough reaction to be easily remembered. RAWK was full of it, as were the other Liverpool forums, BBC, and the atmosphere at your games was clear.

Ah, so Liverpool has nearly 45,000 at Anfield for it's home games, & because a fraction of that amount, many who probably don't even go to the game anyway, said a few unpleasant things about our new manager at the time, then that makes your argument cast iron does it.

GTF :lol:

I was there for the first home game against Arsenal. There was a great atmosphere. No negative shite about Hodgson, just the usual pre-season optimism. We were feeling quite good after the game. A 1-1 draw despite playing with just 10 men for the whole of the 2nd half. That, unfortunately, was as good as it got. & just so you know. There were a lot of people on here afterwards who said that Roy Hodgson was pants. I can always dig up those threads if you want.
 
Keep telling yourself the story about how you're all wonderful fans. We know what we saw - and it was a new manager not being given even the smidgen of a chance before you all turned on him. Your fans guaranteed his failure. If Chelsea fans treat Benitez the same, then the same will be true.

Luckily for us, I think it's practically nailed on anyway.
 
His dig at SAF was pathetic: 'Arsene Wenger was the best manager here'


Makes me want City to beat Chelsea just to see the dissappointment on hias his fat face on Sunday, which is an odd feeling. Maybe a draw with someone like Toure smashing the ball towards the dugout and getting him right between those brain-dead eyes

He wouldn't be disappointed though, he'd be happy to see City get 3 points and keep/extend their lead on us.
 
I agree, feck us winning the league, Benitez losing a game against City is what matters.

Easy, precious.

Last time I checked, Chelsea are still well in the title race. A win for them on Sunday could galvanise their title challenge, and without a Champions League campaign to focus on, they could be a danger in the league.

City's patchy form this season is far less concerning in my view.
 
A laughter smiley & the word 'bullshit' doesn't constitute a rational debate.

Please elucidate.

You're way off the mark if you're comparing our treatment of Hodgson to the shite Benitez is getting even before Chelsea have kicked a ball under his tenure. It's true that Hodgson wasn't our first choice, but we knew our options were limited. It was only when our worst fears starting to materialise (playing crap football & plunging down the table) did we push to get him removed. Big difference to the way Chelsea fans are at the minute. It's not beyond the realms of possibility he could do well there. Hodgson was given that opportunity before we decided he wasn't the answer.

This would be the same Roy Hodgson that was sacked as Blackburn manager for taking Rovers to the bottom of the EPL 12 years ago.

Sign me up for your KRAP campaign please.

:lol: bullshit
 
Easy, precious.

Last time I checked, Chelsea are still well in the title race. A win for them on Sunday could galvanise their title challenge, and without a Champions League campaign to focus on, they could be a danger in the league.

City's patchy form this season is far less concerning in my view.

We lost the league on goal difference last season, and they're favourites this time around too. Chelsea are behind us and looking at the lack of depth shouldn't be as much of a threat.
 
Keep telling yourself the story about how you're all wonderful fans. We know what we saw - and it was a new manager not being given even the smidgen of a chance before you all turned on him. Your fans guaranteed his failure. If Chelsea fans treat Benitez the same, then the same will be true.

Luckily for us, I think it's practically nailed on anyway.

I'm not saying anything of the sort, that's for other people to say. I'm merely pointing out that there was no mass campaign to get Hodgson out of the club before the season started. You, or no-one else on here, has even come close to proving anything otherwise. All you have is your own biased, prejudiced opinions, & a post from myself doubting Hodgson's suitability as a future Liverpool manager.

Pretty weak stuff really. I expected better from you lot.
 
We lost the league on goal difference last season, and they're favourites this time around too. Chelsea are behind us and looking at the lack of depth shouldn't be as much of a threat.

City, for the majority of last season, were exceptionally efficient. The confidence that accompanies this has completely evaded them this season and they are looking very vulnerable.

As I've said, that dressing room will be volatile enough now after their Champions League exit. The manager will be trying to pass the buck on to the players, and the players know that they're only one transfer window from being traded for the next flavour of the month. City is not a club in harmony and I don't foresee them having a long-standing success.

A galvanised Chelsea is just as dangerous - if not more so - than City in my view. If Chelsea's front four start to click and Benitez can settle the back five, they will certainly be a contender for the title.
 
Do I really have to point out that the remarks you have made about Hodgson earlier in this thread were made 'after he was made manager'?

Or are you intending the conjunction of that condition with the following clause, and thus restricting the field to the brief period between appointment and first match? (If so I'd have advised you to omit the comma, which probably suggests enquiry about 2 separate periods rather than 2 conditions defining a single period).

In any case, it's reasonable to suggest your initial (pre-appointment) negativity towards him carried over towards all interpretations of his tenure and then your reactions. You could never give the poor b*gger a realistic chance anyway.

No you don't have to point it out, just dig it out to show it was made after Hodgson's appointment - The rest of your comments are just plain 'tautology', only done in your own inimitable, smart-arsey style :angel: