I bet Fergie wasn't full of joy about that second half either. Everyone is pleased with the win, no harm in some objective analysis.
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I bet Fergie wasn't full of joy about that second half either. Everyone is pleased with the win, no harm in some objective analysis.
Sad and pathetic indeed.
And I'm referring to the bitching and moaning here, not Fergie's "scandalous management".
Get a grip, some of you.
A lot of the criticism is the result of rational analysis. Not any less than any other theme debated here.
What you seem to be annoyed with mostly is how can so many fans prioritize this analysis over what should be joy with 3 points and a comfortable win.
Well, fans are different. And they're bloody well demanding. They will jump at flaws that they perceive could have led to disaster, however unlikely it was, as it was possible. You can't simultaneously brag about being one of the most followed clubs in the world and want to ostracise what constitutes a major part of this following. Extremely demanding fans that chose United because of their success and will panic at any little sign of threat to this success.
There is a big level of self-critic here because my club suffers from the same problem and almost all this applies to us as well. Bragging about a growing legion of fans, whilst simultaneously insulting their less informed and loyalist opinions. No matter what, these people are also responsible for your success, as their existence reflects massively upon your revenue.
What you seem to be annoyed with mostly is how can so many fans prioritize this analysis over what should be joy with 3 points and a comfortable win.
Well, fans are different. And they're bloody well demanding. They will jump at flaws that they perceive could have led to disaster, however unlikely it was, as it was possible. You can't simultaneously brag about being one of the most followed clubs in the world and want to ostracise what constitutes a major part of this following. Extremely demanding fans that chose United because of their success and will panic at any little sign of threat to this success.
There is a big level of self-critic here because my club suffers from the same problem and almost all this applies to us as well. Bragging about a growing legion of fans, whilst simultaneously insulting their less informed and loyalist opinions. No matter what, these people are also responsible for your success, as their existence reflects massively upon your revenue.
I wouldn't care at all if they left us and started supporting City/Barcelona.
good post
When you find some of that on here, be sure to let us know.
You and The Neviller seem to be ignoring a hell of a lot of praise towards the first half performance, Jones' performance, Young's performance, the Carrick and Cleverley partnership, Evra and De Gea.
Look back again through this thread, everyone is generally positive, the only negativity you are jumping on is peoples opinion that we were not good enough in the second half. That is a justified and objective criticism.
Hold on a minute Pexbo , I've ignored nothing. I'd just like to come on here after a win and be able to enjoy that we won, without the endless fecking negativity. It's every week now, it isn't funny anymore, it's fecking boring.
The problem with the second half "analysis" here is that it completely misses the mark. The criticism here should be directed at poor finishing, at three glorious chances were muffed, and the mistake by Smalling. The decision to play Giggs and Scholes had nothing to do with either.
But let's not allow what actually happened on the pitch interfere with mindless flogging of our manager, who's actually done well this season to guide us into a comfortable position in the table.
But let's not allow what actually happened on the pitch interfere with mindless flogging of our manager, who's actually done well this season to guide us into a comfortable position in the table.
What kind of posts do you want? Go to de gea thread, plenty of people are praising him. Go to RVP thread, plenty of people are praising him? Go to carrick and cleverley thread. But no, you will come into the threads where people are criticizing second half performances. Your tagline really suits you.
There are few knobs as well. For example one saying "scandalous management". But not everyone is like that. Some are fairly criticizing. Some I don't agree with but still I respect their opinion and some are idiots, I try to ignore them.
This is the match day thread, you fecking moron. Where better to discuss the match than here? And as usual, in spite of a superb first half performance, the main topic seems to be complaints about Scholes, Giggs and Ferguson.
Your username doesn't suit you.
Bollocks
Welcome to a forum.
It's not the pub where we all clink glasses and sing a few songs. Would you rather a few
and virtual high fives?Awesome! 3-1!
We come on here because we A. Support United and B. Like to analyse the game. We spend the whole week talking about Player A or Player B and how such and such is better here or there and then the game comes and in the immediate aftermath we want to discuss what happened.
So, why is there something wrong when people say "Good win, 3 points but that second half wasn't good enough."?
We come on here to discuss why it wasn't good enough and what we think the problem might be. We equally come here and look to bump the thread of a player that has played well and give them the deserved praise.
I'm not sure what you expect, for there to be an hour where only a positive post is allowed before we start discussing what was wrong?
Good response. Insightful as always.
You want the whole userbase to bend to what you would like them to think?
Yes, that's obviously what I'm saying. How difficult can it be for everyone to pander to my needs?
Well more insightful than your "All of you are fecking knobs, we won 3-1, stop criticizing"
Welcome to a forum.
It's not the pub where we all clink glasses and sing a few songs. Would you rather a few
Awesome! 3-1!
We come on here because we A. Support United and B. Like to analyse the game. We spend the whole week talking about Player A or Player B and how such and such is better here or there and then the game comes and in the immediate aftermath we want to discuss what happened.
So, why is there something wrong when people say "Good win, 3 points but that second half wasn't good enough."?
We come on here to discuss why it wasn't good enough and what we think the problem might be. We equally come here and look to bump the thread of a player that has played well and give them the deserved praise.
I'm not sure what you expect, for there to be an hour where only a positive post is allowed before we start discussing what was wrong?
It'd be nice to come on here after a good win that takes us six points clear again and not be told that today is another example of scandalous management by SAF, and once again see Giggs and Scholes ripped to shit.
Which I never said. I've called nobody any names, apart from calling you a fecking moron, which is fair. Carry on.
The SAF comment was one pillock.
What sort of time period would you like for us to hold back the criticism of the two players who are constantly the cause of our worst football?
I see no problem in them being brought on today. It's how we should be using them. Game won, take off our most important midfielder to keep him fresh. Bring on experienced players and see out comfortable win. I don't see the problem.
Perhaps at rawk they'd be more unanimously happy with a result like what United got today, but I'm not sure you'd want the price to pay for that happiness - that result being a much less common occurrence.
This was a perfectly normal game, where a comfortable win was what most fans would have at least expected. I doubt you'll see that much criticism when you're celebrating your next league title or a classy derby win.
This was a perfectly normal game, where a comfortable win was what most fans would have at least expected. I doubt you'll see that much criticism when you're celebrating your next league title or a classy derby win.
It seems the problem is that Giggs and Scholes are old, nothing more than that, yet we have to hear about it every fecking day.
Tedious to say the least but apparently it's vital that it is said or discussed on the cafe at all times, even after a good victory in which we actually used our veterans in the way in which most people have been calling for.
Tedious to say the least but apparently it's vital that it is said or discussed on the cafe at all times, even after a good victory in which we actually used our veterans in the way in which most people have been calling for.
I couldn't disagree more about Giggs.
By all means have him on the bench, available to come on in the 70th if you are drawing or 1-0 down but he's the last person I would use to secure a victory.
He's not very good at holding up the ball.
He constantly attempts low percentage passes.
In terms of poor movement:
He doesn't track players runs.
He doesn't harry for posession.
He doesn't work hard enough to offer himself in space which is key to possession when trying to see a game out.
He offers no ariel protection.
I personally think it's madness to think Giggs will in some way help you protect a lead.
OK Fletcher isn't quite back to where he was but:
He's excellent positionally.
He's organised defensively, he'll track players and see that a defender will pick them up if he has two.
He'll close down quickly.
He'll offer himself for a pass and move.
He'll get back in the box and win a header or two.
He didn't have to do any of the things you say he can't do, evidenced by the fact that he came on, didn't do those things and we coasted to a comfortable win.
Coasted to a comfortable win?
I'd say we lost all momentum and looked shaky. They had 5 shots in the first half, 1 on target and 10 in the second half, 6 on target.
we were sublime in the first 20 minutes..took our foot of the pedal...again in the second half we were 'interested'..then took our foot of the pedal after Rooney scored. casual at the least. We were wasteful to say the least through out the match. But we were so superioir...especially with Rooney and RVP that we could have shifted a gear or two up.
I confess I swore when I saw Giggs come on...unless we had injuries..why? I never used to believe in goal difference being a factor....until last season.
in summation...I hardly ever agree with noodles...but I like his analysis and would rather read his thought out posts than a yeehaa...we won ..3 points...
we are here to discuss the game. We completely deserved to win the match...but need not have made a meal of it.
I confess I swore when I saw Giggs come on...unless we had injuries..why? I never used to believe in goal difference being a factor....until last season.
in summation...I hardly ever agree with noodles...but I like his analysis and would rather read his thought out posts than a yeehaa...we won ..3 points...
we are here to discuss the game. We completely deserved to win the match...but need not have made a meal of it.
Exactly. We were comfortably ahead of Sunderland, which never got even close to sniffing victory and Giggs and Scholes saw out the game to its inevitable conclusion. Not only is there nothing wrong with that, that's exactly how those two should be used now.
Criticism should be constructive, not an excuse to bitch and moan about the club we, allegedly, love.