Midterm Premiership XI

Statistically its :

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according to whoscored.com

But with the concern that some players are out of position, like Fellaini who is a second striker
 
Ekeke said:
Statistically its :

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according to whoscored.com

But with the concern that some players are out of position, like Fellaini who is a second striker
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And respecting the fact that those stats are conditional only to the form and or ability of their team mates etc, but interesting still, good to see DDG there after so many posters have recently commented about him having a much better season than JH

EDIT: And Chico did not get a mention from a single person...
 
Well yes I guess. But its interesting you say that about the form and ability of teammates because thats my guess as to why no Stoke players are there. Because the whole team has defended well from the wingers to the defence and keeper, so they have 3 defenders at 7.0 + and a keeper at 6.95, but none of them have had to do enough work individually to surpass those that made the team above.

Also Dembele is the top rated CM after Cazorla if you want to call him that so he'd replace Fellani. Someone said he hasnt played much but 12 apps despite his injury is a fair bit.
 
Ekeke said:
Well yes I guess. But its interesting you say that about the form and ability of teammates because thats my guess as to why no Stoke players are there. Because the whole team has defended well from the wingers to the defence and keeper, so they have 3 defenders at 7.0 + and a keeper at 6.95, but none of them have had to do enough work individually to surpass those that made the team above.

Also Demebele is the top rated CM after Cazorla if you want to call him that so he'd replace Fellani. Someone said he hasnt played much but 12 apps despite his injury is a fair bit.
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They are like the effecient Russians... reminds me of that Greece side 8 years or so ago, still shocks me how poor GK's have been this season overall and how someone who is actually joint highest performing CB of the PL so far this year, was not even mentioned among subs... wierd how some people go over the radar because they are not media whores or bag the 3 goals a game...
 
Jaybezia said:
Dembele hasn't actually played that much tbf
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He's played 12 Prem games and been on the winning side in 9 of them. In the 2 losses, one was against us for Fulham, when he was still arguably the best player on the pitch and the other was against Everton and when he left the field with 10 mins to go, Spurs were winning.
 
Jaybezia said:
They are like the effecient Russians... reminds me of that Greece side 8 years or so ago, still shocks me how poor GK's have been this season overall and how someone who is actually joint highest performing CB of the PL so far this year, was not even mentioned among subs... wierd how some people go over the radar because they are not media whores or bag the 3 goals a game...
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Agreed. And even watching Swansea the pundits and commentators go on about Ashley Williams all game, but neglect to mention Chico who is doing the majority of the dog work a defender is really paid to do.
 
Carrick's performances have improved in November and December, however prior to that i'm not sure it can be said that he was one of the league's best, not at all.
 
Strangely it would seem to me at least that the standard for most positions has dropped... whether that is because more even league or w/e I don't know but it seems the bar has dropped somewhat at a 7.1 getting into the team
 
Jaybezia said:
And respecting the fact that those stats are conditional only to the form and or ability of their team mates etc, but interesting still, good to see DDG there after so many posters have recently commented about him having a much better season than JH

EDIT: And Chico did not get a mention from a single person...
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I find the goalkeeper ratings on WS to be the most wooly. They only account for major goalkeeping errors. In reality a lot of goalkeeping mistakes are much more subtle and are not picked up be them.
 
redmeister said:
Rose edges Baines for me.
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Why?

If you look at the stats, Rose has slightly better defensive ones, but Baines has shat on him offensively.

Plus if you watch both you'll see how much better Baines is than any other LB in the league.
 
I think midfielder stats are greatly effected by shots. Cazorla has about 8 per game but unfortunately whoscored doesnt tell you that he mishit 6 of them and caught 2 clean. He's a stats monster for sure. I'm not sure whats going on with Fellaini either, are they marking him as a midfielder or striker? Putting him in the team as a midfielder suggests midfielder, so again the fact he has loads of efforts is going to skew things.
 
Ekeke said:
I think midfielder stats are greatly effected by shots. Cazorla has about 8 per game but unfortunately whoscored doesnt tell you that he mishit 6 of them and caught 2 clean. He's a stats monster for sure. I'm not sure whats going on with Fellaini either, are they marking him as a midfielder or striker? Putting him in the team as a midfielder suggests midfielder, so again the fact he has loads of efforts is going to skew things.
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There are always going to be uncontrollable variable such as strength of opponent, even the weather.. I think the important thing is to put that stat in context, so Fellaini's stats are very impressive, but if he has been playing mainly as a striker then obviously depreciates the value of the statistic.
 
SilentWitness said:
Why?

If you look at the stats, Rose has slightly better defensive ones, but Baines has shat on him offensively.

Plus if you watch both you'll see how much better Baines is than any other LB in the league.
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How often have you watched Rose though? He's been fantastic and is brilliant going forward. His stats are dependent on his team mates. It's hard to create for a shit attacking team.

This is what Sunderland fans think of him:

"Exceptional"

"wish we had a clause already, his value will have doubled or trebled since the season started"

"He's something special"

"The lad is outstanding"

Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=750905#ixzz2GN5ewnNw


Playing for Sunderland and being known to most as an unimpressive LW for England U21s he just isn't someone expected to do well or catch the eye. But he's been brilliant every time I've seen him.
 
Ekeke said:
I think midfielder stats are greatly effected by shots. Cazorla has about 8 per game but unfortunately whoscored doesnt tell you that he mishit 6 of them and caught 2 clean. He's a stats monster for sure. I'm not sure whats going on with Fellaini either, are they marking him as a midfielder or striker? Putting him in the team as a midfielder suggests midfielder, so again the fact he has loads of efforts is going to skew things.
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If you look at Cazorla's stats: he makes a lot of passes; creates a top 10 level of chances, whilst still attaining an 88.2% pass completion rate. We forgive Giggs for giving the ball away under the proviso that he tries the most difficult passes, here you have a player who creates the chances but who doesn't give the ball away, to contrast - Carrick's pass completion rate for the season is 88.9%. If you look at the top 20 key passers in Europe, only Toni Kroos has a higher pass completion rate and only Pirlo makes more passes per game than him. Cazorla also boasts nearly a goal every two games for Arsenal this season. His tackle and interception rate is almost the same as Carrick's for the season too!

He has been sensational for them. If he played for a bigger team then we would be discussing him as 'one of the best of the rest' in world football.

I am not sure on how they score for shots, it is unfortunate that they don't break the ratings down on the site.
 
Begovic

Zabaleta
Ivanovic
Verthongen
Baines

Cleverley
Fellaini
Cazorla
Bale

Michu
Van Persie
 
redmeister said:
How often have you watched Rose though? He's been fantastic and is brilliant going forward. His stats are dependent on his team mates. It's hard to create for a shit attacking team.

This is what Sunderland fans think of him:

"Exceptional"

"wish we had a clause already, his value will have doubled or trebled since the season started"

"He's something special"

"The lad is outstanding"

Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=750905#ixzz2GN5ewnNw


Playing for Sunderland and being known to most as an unimpressive LW for England U21s he just isn't someone expected to do well or catch the eye. But he's been brilliant every time I've seen him.
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4 or 5 times. He has never stood out to me and made me think 'wow' tbh. Eh, when it comes to stats like crosses, passes, key passes, pass success, opportunities created and such, it comes down more to an individual rather than the team. (Although assists/key passes are helped by teammates)

To say he's brilliant going forward and then fall back by saying it's hard to create for a shit attacking team doesn't really work either. If he was so brilliant he'd be standing out in that aspect, but he's had an accurate cross per game rating of 0.3 which is crap to say the least. Compare that to Baines who has had 3.1.
 
SilentWitness said:
4 or 5 times. He has never stood out to me and made me think 'wow' tbh. Eh, when it comes to stats like crosses, passes, key passes, pass success, opportunities created and such, it comes down more to an individual rather than the team. (Although assists/key passes are helped by teammates)

To say he's brilliant going forward and then fall back by saying it's hard to create for a shit attacking team doesn't really work either. If he was so brilliant he'd be standing out in that aspect, but he's had an accurate cross per game rating of 0.3 which is crap to say the least. Compare that to Baines who has had 3.1.
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That's not at all true though, as you can only attack when you have possession, which is very much down to the team. Also the amount of players committed forward makes a huge difference, as does the quality of there runs and ability to find space. Rose is really good going forward, which is why he was a winger. But Sunderland play very typical MON football, which means he's left with a lot to do, as they are far from a free flowing, attacking unit. Also he doesn't take the set pieces, which account for a hell of a lot of Baines attacking stats.

The Sunderland fans aren't desperate to keep him for no reason. He's been their stand out player and by a long way. If you've seen him 5 times and not noticed him then there isn't much more I can say. He really does stand out, so I'm surprised you didn't notice him.
 
Begovic

Rafael
Chico
Ivanovic
Vertonghen

Sandro
Fellaini
Cazorla

Mata
Van Persie
Michu

Mignolet, Cuellar, Nolan, Carrick, Ba, Suarez to receive special mentions.
 
#Carl said:
Michu is not a midfield player. He has played deep in a few games this season (mainly early on) but has been very much leading the line for the last 3 months.
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He is naturally a midfield player and scored most of his goals arriving late into the box (iirc).
 
Name Changed said:
He is naturally a midfield player and scored most of his goals arriving late into the box (iirc).
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He is naturally a midfielder but has been moved into a much more forward role since the start of the season. Played a bit deeper the other day as Moore started up front.
 
-----------------------Begovic
Rafael-----Shawcross-----------Jagielka-------Baines
------------------------Fellani
Mata-------------------Carzola-----------------Bale
-------------Michu--------------RVP

Suarez misses out on consistency.
 
Liam147 said:
I've seen people saying Carrick shouldn't be in, then putting Fellaini in midfield in his place :wenger:

Fellaini isn't a midfielder. I've not seen him play midfield all year.
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#Carl said:
Michu is not a midfield player. He has played deep in a few games this season (mainly early on) but has been very much leading the line for the last 3 months.
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I know the meaning behind statements like these but still rubs me the wrong way. They'e still midfielders for me unless they take up the forward positions for multiple seasons.
 
But for a team of the season, naturally it is wrong to include someone who hasn't played in midfield as the best or one of the best midfielders for that season. If this was a career wise thing then yes they're still midfielders, but as far as team of the season is concerned they're effectively strikers. How can you say Michu for example has been better than any other central midfielders, without him actually (or barely) playing there?
 
-----------------------------begovic---------------------------

---Rafael ------------shawcross--huth--------------evra----


---cazorla------------j.mata-----y.toure-------------bale---


--------------------------michu---van Persie ----------------

Manager: laudrup
 
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