Gareth Bale is...The most expensive player ever?!

[Sparky_Hughes]

That simplifies Bale a bit, but yeah, it is just different tastes.

Consistant much? In the same page its gone from a snobbish fashion to just different tatses.....which is it?

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

Anyone who thinks that's a dive should try running and having someone go into your standing leg and grab hold of your shirt and maintain their balance and control of the ball. He'd got the ball past the defender, he'd legitimately beaten him and the defender first of all made a careless attempt to get the ball and then tried to use illegitimate means to stop him anyway, even if he could have stayed up (which I doubt) he's under no obligation to. It's not simulation if there's actually a foul been made against him.

The defenders arm barely brushed him, he is a diving cheat and the more times he gets booked for it the sooner he will stop.

 

[RedRover]

not for me.

Gimme someone who can beat a man with control, feints and trickery over a man who kicks the ball and runs any day.

Different tastes I guess.

You really think it's that simple? If so, you don't think teams would have found him out by now?

I don't think Bale's the second coming but he's improving month by month, and that can be seen in his performances. Gets himself into some great positions, more so that he did before when limited to playing out wide, and is getting the rewards in terms of goals.

Mostly his physicality and pace are difficult for teams to deal with. he also seems like a decent kid - grounded and willing to put the graft in rather than throw a strop if its not going his way.

He can be criticised for the diving, but that could be said for a lot of players. Ronaldo did it, Nani has done a lot of it and Young still does it regularly - all teams have them, and its not going to go away soon unless the FA and PL get their heads together to stop it.

I'd be interested to see him in a really top side where he'd probably get even more space and more opportunities. Would love to see how he'd develop at United.

 

[Brwned]

It's not simulation if there's actually a foul been made against him.

He's simulated a fall. If your shirt is pulled then that's a foul, absolutely, and if you feel to need to highlight this to the ref by falling down again that's fine, you're just trying to help your team. It doesn't change the fact you've just made yourself fall over. The defender has pulled you and that's stopped you from accelerating fully and flying away from him but he hasn't made you fall over. You've just taken the decision to fall to the ground to simulate more contact than there actually was. It's entirely possible to be fouled and dive at the same time. The vast majority of fouls these days are.

 

[Comsmit]

You must have seen Bale labelled as a one trick pony though? He obviously isn't but that's what a fast and strong player faces, their assets have become a little too obvious and vulgar for some. Some fans consider themselves conoisseurs and as such like to believe that only certain types of payers are worthy.

I prefer watching a player who can rinse other highly trained athletes but I can still fully appreciate a player like Silva, I'm not sure others can do the same in reverse. Look at this tripe below.



This is all rubbish, his short passing isn't good enough, he couldn't possibly suit the players we have. We're moving away from a certain form of football and embracing something he's not capable of. What are you on about?

Yes, the last thing we need is a goal scoring wide player who combines power and pace like no other player in the Premiership because we're just far too sophisticated.

Couldn't have put it any better mate. Its strange for anyone to suggest Bale wouldn't fit into United's system, he certainly would in the present setup. The point of having a great squad is to provide variation and differing skill sets. Every manager loves options and Ferguson has already hinted he wishes United to become unpredictable, in the sense that he could play with or without wingers, diamond, inside forwards etc. Now Bale could fit into any of those systems even the diamond.

His passing is underrated in my view, its getting better all the time especially the short side. His technique is terrific, he is very good at moving out of tight areas and his control of the ball when at speed is effortless. Also offers a direct threat from his shooting, powerful and accurate. He is a matchwinner and every side needs these in abundance.

There is no point having a squad packed full of small, technical masters and no variation to that. Every City fan I speak to is crying out for Bale or Valencia, someone who offers something different to the stock they already have in Silva, Nasri, Aguero etc.

 

[apotheosis]

It's a clear dive.There is this misconception that there cannot be a dive if the player is touched.

I don't think there is any misconception. There is certainly a grey area in terms of how much contact justifies someone going down. That is the problem.

How can anyone reasonably claim to know how much contact is justifiable from one incident to the next? We can't, any opinion on any particular incident is speculative at best, and at worst often clouded by bias against a player we may or may not like. In my view it is near impossible to determine whether someone had the right to go down or not.

As most of us have never ran anywhere near as fast as Gareth Bale, it is surely difficult to comprehend how little contact would be required for someone traveling at that pace, to be unbalanced sufficiently to justify going down.

Personally i would give him the benefit of the doubt. Going down 'easily' is not diving, diving is what Defoe did yesterday, going down when there was no contact whatsoever. That is what people should be trying to stamp out in my view, obvious and shameful attempts to deliberately try to con the ref. Let's start by stamping out the blatant incidents before moving into the more contentious areas.

 

[kietotheworld]

The defenders arm barely brushed him, he is a diving cheat and the more times he gets booked for it the sooner he will stop.

Why is his arm there at all? It's the defender who is cheating there, not Bale.

He's simulated a fall. If your shirt is pulled then that's a foul, absolutely, and if you feel to need to highlight this to the ref by falling down again that's fine, you're just trying to help your team. It doesn't change the fact you've just made yourself fall over. The defender has pulled you and that's stopped you from accelerating fully and flying away from him but he hasn't made you fall over. You've just taken the decision to fall to the ground to simulate more contact than there actually was. It's entirely possible to be fouled and dive at the same time. The vast majority of fouls these days are.

Well first of all he fell because of the contact on his standing leg, but yes, he's simulated a fall, I've always read "simulation" as simulating that there was a foul when there wasn't rather than exaggerating it. I don't know why anyone has a problem with fouled players showing the referee they were fouled rather than disadvantaging their team by pretending they weren't.

 

[RedRover]

Couldn't have put it any better mate. Its strange for anyone to suggest Bale wouldn't fit into United's system, he certainly would in the present setup. The point of having a great squad is to provide variation and differing skill sets. Every manager loves options and Ferguson has already hinted he wishes United to become unpredictable, in the sense that he could play with or without wingers, diamond, inside forwards etc. Now Bale could fit into any of those systems even the diamond.

His passing is underrated in my view, its getting better all the time especially the short side. His technique is terrific, he is very good at moving out of tight areas and his control of the ball when at speed is effortless. Also offers a direct threat from his shooting, powerful and accurate. He is a matchwinner and every side needs these in abundance.

There is no point having a squad packed full of small, technical masters and no variation to that. Every City fan I speak to is crying out for Bale or Valencia, someone who offers something different to the stock they already have in Silva, Nasri, Aguero etc.

Good point.

It seems a lot of people simply think that the only way to go is to play like Barcelona. Fine if you have the talent they have, and the players to play that system in abundance. The fact is most teams doent - and even if Barca don't always come good - on rare occiasions they lack a "plan B".

Directness is underrated. The argument from some on here for criticising Bale seems to be that he isn't dribbling the ball like Pele or passing like Xavi - rather than looking at what skills he does have.

The PL is physical - more so than other leagues. There's a place for more of the smaller, technically gifted players - but also for direct, strong and powerful runners. Valencia is a good example - a one trick pony - but it doesn't make him any easier to stop when he gets going.

 

[Brwned]

Staying on your feet when that's the natural movement is not pretending you weren't fouled, it's playing with an ounce of integrity and honesty. Personally I think attitudes like yours are what makes people think diving is ok. When players do this poncey head-to-head showdown nonsense and one of them collapses to the floor when there's contact is he just showing the referee there was contact (in an attempt to help your team by getting an opposition player sent off) and completely justified in doing so?

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

I'm curious where he'll go after Spurs. I doubt he'll stay there for his career unless Spurs suddenly become true title contenders. He'd be great for us, but I can't see us being rinsed by Spurs again. If they want anything more than £50million*, I'd want United to tell them to feck the right off. I can't see him going to Madrid unless they lose Ronaldo. I don't think he suits Barca's style. If he went to Serie A, I think he'll rip them to shreads - his pace and power would destroy most teams.

 

[apotheosis]

Staying on your feet when that's the natural movement is not pretending you weren't fouled, it's playing with an ounce of integrity and honesty. Personally I think attitudes like yours are what makes people think diving is ok. When players do this poncey head-to-head showdown nonsense and one of them collapses to the floor when there's contact is he just showing the referee there was contact (in an attempt to help your team by getting an opposition player sent off) and completely justified in doing so?

But no penalties are given, nor points awarded for honesty and integrity Brwned. Think we all would agree with you in principle, especially with your last example. But in reality you have to concede that those who go down force the ref to make a decision either way. Whereas those who stay on their feet, rarely get any reward for their integrity, and often give the ref an opportunity to not give a decision.

 

[Brwned]

Whereas those who stay on their feet, rarely get any reward for their integrity, and often give the ref an opportunity to not give a decision.

I think that's a complete myth. Players get fouls called while staying on their feet all the time while players who fall down when it was a foul get told to get up and play on every single game. For the most part I'd say falling down only helps when simulating a foul that never actually took place, the rest of the time it makes little difference either way.

 

[kietotheworld]

Staying on your feet when that's the natural movement is not pretending you weren't fouled, it's playing with an ounce of integrity and honesty. Personally I think attitudes like yours are what makes people think diving is ok. When players do this poncey head-to-head showdown nonsense and one of them collapses to the floor when there's contact is he just showing the referee there was contact (in an attempt to help your team by getting an opposition player sent off) and completely justified in doing so?

Nah, that's completely different. One of them is helping the referee to see that a foul has occurred, the other is making out that violent conduct has occurred when it hasn't. It's not about doing anything to help your team, it's about making sure the correct decision is made, there's nothing dishonest about showing you've been fouled when you have been fouled. I'd go as far as to say players have a responsibility to the game to go down when they've been fouled - trying to stay on their feet to the detriment of their own team rewards fouling on the part of the defending side.

 

[RedRover]

But no penalties are given, nor points awarded for honesty and integrity Brwned. Think we all would agree with you in principle, especially with your last example. But in reality you have to concede that those who go down force the ref to make a decision either way. Whereas those who stay on their feet, rarely get any reward for their integrity, and often give the ref an opportunity to not give a decision.

That's true. You stay on your feet no referee gives a penalty - even if you were fouled.

Personally, my instinct would be to stay on my feet - I have a moral issue with diving - but I can't say whether I'd be the same if I was a pro. Games are won and lost on a knife edge, so if you feel you've been fouled, and if you haven't been getting decisions on a particular day which you felt were legitimate, you may not have such a problem with it.

An issue which needs to be addressed is the fact that Defenders get away with murder simply because the refs would have to given umpteen penalities a game if they actually applied the rules - until that's resolved diving and the like will continue. How can something that would be a foul anywhere esles on the pitch not be a penalty? Its madness.

Defenders have a huge advantage to some players are probably happy to even it up.

 

[Brwned]

Nah, that's completely different. One of them is helping the referee to see that a foul has occurred, the other is making out that violent conduct has occurred when it hasn't. It's not about doing anything to help your team, it's about making sure the correct decision is made, there's nothing dishonest about showing you've been fouled when you have been fouled. I'd go as far as to say players have a responsibility to the game to go down when they've been fouled - trying to stay on their feet to the detriment of their own team rewards fouling on the part of the defending side.

You seem to be suggesting that a foul only takes place when a player is taken down. Falling down is not showing you've been fouled, it's exaggerating contact to draw attention to yourself. The foul took place before the fall if it took place at all and will be given with or without someone falling over. If you choose to stay on your feet you're not telling the referee you haven't been fouled.

That's true. You stay on your feet no referee gives a penalty - even if you were fouled.

That's absurd for so many reasons, mainly for the fact it's simply wrong.

 

[Sixpence]

I'm curious where he'll go after Spurs. I doubt he'll stay there for his career unless Spurs suddenly become true title contenders. He'd be great for us, but I can't see us being rinsed by Spurs again. If they want anything more than £50million*, I'd want United to tell them to feck the right off. I can't see him going to Madrid unless they lose Ronaldo. I don't think he suits Barca's style. If he went to Serie A, I think he'll rip them to shreads - his pace and power would destroy most teams.

Surely even if Ronaldo stays, then he'd be a good signing. Is Di Maria that much of a superior player to him? Obviously he'd have to play on the right, but in Spain I just think Bale would be a star and he would tear it up. Real is the place I see Bale at. But he's also a sensible guy, he could probably have pushed for a big move a year or 2 back after his CL displays, but he signed a new deal at Spurs, and is probably just enjoying playing every week, maybe he wouldn't if he moved.

 

[kietotheworld]

You seem to be suggesting that a foul only takes place when a player is taken down. Falling down is not showing you've been fouled, it's exaggerating contact to draw attention to yourself. The foul took place before the fall if it took place at all and will be given with or without someone falling over. If you choose to stay on your feet you're not telling the referee you haven't been fouled.

It might as well be, I can't think of a single penalty that's been given for a foul without the player going down.

 

[Brwned]

Since when did this discussion become purely about penalties? Players diving outside the box is every bit as much of an issue as people diving inside it.

 

[kietotheworld]

Since when did this discussion become purely about penalties? Players diving outside the box is every bit as much of an issue as people diving inside it.

No it isn't, a dive or a missed foul in the penalty area is obviously a lot more significant to the result of matches that one outside the box and as such is a much bigger issue.

 

[Brwned]

Note to self: never get involved in a discussion with uber-tedious poster kietotheworld again.

This Bale thread's taken over the Messi thread as worst football thread on the caf.

 

[Brightonian]

Yes, the last thing we need is a goal scoring wide player who combines power and pace like no other player in the Premiership because we're just far too sophisticated.

He's brilliant at the moment, so of course he'd do well for us. He's better than Young, these days, at any kind of football. But he's not the right player for the system which we're growing into.

Read your paraphrase. Then reread my post. See the difference?

 

[RedRover]

You seem to be suggesting that a foul only takes place when a player is taken down. Falling down is not showing you've been fouled, it's exaggerating contact to draw attention to yourself. The foul took place before the fall if it took place at all and will be given with or without someone falling over. If you choose to stay on your feet you're not telling the referee you haven't been fouled.



That's absurd for so many reasons, mainly for the fact it's simply wrong.

I don't agree. You see how often players shirts are pulled (as an example) or arms wrapped around players from corners preventing them jumping for the ball. Player stays on his feet - the refs can ignore it and it's probably just assumed they didn't see it. No blame, no controversy, no berating in the press or by managers - therefore much easier life for them

Out of interest, I've just asked my colleague about this - refs/runs the line at a decent standard of semi pro up here in the North East. I asked him if he would give a penalty for a foul if the player stays on his feet - he says he has, but you get fearsome stick because its always considered a "soft" penalty.

My view is, honest players often don't get rewarded - those not so honest do - so you can see why players do what they do. Doesn't make it right but currently there's little or no sanction so what have they got to lose?

 

[MrMojo]

Consistant much? In the same page its gone from a snobbish fashion to just different tatses.....which is it?

With that particular poster it was clear he just had a different taste. For those who just want to emulate Barcelona, it is indeed snobbish fashion.

Pink Floyd fans can't appreciate ACDC, it's too obvious for them. Same goes for fans of small technical players, they can't 'lower' themselves to appreciate a Bale type player.

It might as well be, I can't think of a single penalty that's been given for a foul without the player going down.

Me neither. I don't blame the players and I definitely don't understand Bale being the one put on the cross.

The authorities need to sort it out in the summer and give the players some proper guidance.

 

[Brightonian]

With that particular poster it was clear he just had a different taste. For those who just want to emulate Barcelona, it is indeed snobbish fashion.

Pink Floyd fans can't appreciate ACDC, it's too obvious for them. Same goes for fans of small technical players, they can't 'lower' themselves to appreciate a Bale type player.

Gotta say there's only one poster on this thread coming across as any kind of 'snob' at the moment...

Me neither. I don't blame the players and I definitely don't understand Bale being the one put on the cross.

The authorities need to sort it out in the summer and give the players some proper guidance.

Agree with this, however. For me, it's a blatant dive. And it got an appropriate yellow. But you can't really blame players for trying it when the referees never give anything that isn't flagged up by a theatrical fall.

 

[Baxter]

It's a clear dive.There is this misconception that there cannot be a dive if the player is touched.

Exactly. He even says that if he feels contact he'll go down. That is cheating.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

With that particular poster it was clear he just had a different taste. For those who just want to emulate Barcelona, it is indeed snobbish fashion.

Pink Floyd fans can't appreciate ACDC, it's too obvious for them. Same goes for fans of small technical players, they can't 'lower' themselves to appreciate a Bale type player.



Me neither. I don't blame the players and I definitely don't understand Bale being the one put on the cross.

The authorities need to sort it out in the summer and give the players some proper guidance.

Nicely explained, thank you

 

[MrMojo]

Gotta say there's only one poster on this thread coming across as any kind of 'snob' at the moment....

Your last post on the matter was ridiculous. As soon as you said Bale couldn't fit into the tika taka football we were aiming towards that was it.

 

[Comsmit]

Agree with this, however. For me, it's a blatant dive. And it got an appropriate yellow. But you can't really blame players for trying it when the referees never give anything that isn't flagged up by a theatrical fall.

In your eyes was it not a penalty?

 

[Joemo]

It's an exggerated fall for something that by the letter of the law is a foul. It's been well documented that Bale is one of the fastest players in world football at the moment, and a knee to the side of the leg like the one that Gardner did will send him off balance. It won't necessarily send him over, but it will disrupt his momentum. Now referees don't see that as being a foul, for some reason fouls can only be given once a player hits the floor.

For me, it's a penalty. Bale has got the beating of Gardner, has knocked the ball past him and then Gardner proceeds to disrupt his momentum by commiting a foul.

Bale's interview after the match sends out the wrong impression though. Instant contact doesn't mean that a penalty should be awarded, as his comments seemed to suggest. If he gets a hand placed on his shoulder briefly, and then proceeds to fall over then he should be punished. That type of contact is not enough to make a player lose momentum and fall over. But the recent incident with Bale is certainly enough to make him significantly lose his balance.

 

[redmeister]

Exactly. He even says that if he feels contact he'll go down. That is cheating.

The biggest misconception is that a player can't be fouled if the contact is light, even if it impedes him. Bale was fouled. Few on here will admit it for some reason, despite the GIF clearly showing it.

So even is he dived (which he didn't) why wasn't the penalty given? The dive happened after the foul, so it doesn't mean the foul no longer happened. The exact same things happened against Fulham.

Why should defenders get away with impeding players as long as the contact isn't so great it doesn't knock them over?

Bale should never have been booked, it was ridiculous. But even if everyone feels as if it was a dive, it still doesn't mean the penalty shouldn't have been awarded as the defender gains an advantage by missing the ball and knocking Bale. The GIF file shows it wasn't that slight and at the speed Bales goes it was certainly an impediment.

The fact he didn't get a pen in this case or a foul against Liverpool or Fulham shows exactly why players go down. If they are impeded to the extent they lose the advantage they gained fairly through speed or skill, the refs simply don't do anything unless they go to ground. It's not just refs either, as if you read this thread people keep trying to suggest not enough contact was made for it to be a foul, which is plain crazy.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

There wasn't nearly enough impediment for it to be a foul. He barely touched him.

 

[redmeister]

There wasn't nearly enough impediment for it to be a foul. He barely touched him.

Post 3305 shows that is not true though. Bale easily had the beating of Gardners, but the GIF clearly shows the contact was sufficient at the pace Bale was going. It' not Bales fault Gardner missed the ball and caught him. The only reason there is debate is because of Bales reputation. The same would have happened with Suarez. But had the same incident happened with 80% of other Prem players or 100% of Utd players, everyone here would be saying pen.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

Post 3305 shows that is not true though. Bale easily had the beating of Gardners, but the GIF clearly shows the contact was sufficient at the pace Bale was going. It' not Bales fault Gardner missed the ball and caught him. The only reason there is debate is because of Bales reputation. The same would have happened with Suarez. But had the same incident happened with 80% of other Prem players or 100% of Utd players, everyone here would be saying pen.

The gif just shows Bale flopping to the ground after feeling a very slight brush against his knee. Dive and booking. Correct decision.

 

[Plechazunga]

it's about making sure the correct decision is made, there's nothing dishonest about showing you've been fouled when you have been fouled. I'd go as far as to say players have a responsibility to the game to go down when they've been fouled - trying to stay on their feet to the detriment of their own team rewards fouling on the part of the defending side.

Yeah, in fact we should just scrap refs altogether, since footballers are such good judges of when they've been fouled. They have a responsibility to dive anyway to signal that there was enough contact to count, so what's the point in paying refs just to corroborate it?

 

[MrMojo]

Post 3305 shows that is not true though. Bale easily had the beating of Gardners, but the GIF clearly shows the contact was sufficient at the pace Bale was going. It' not Bales fault Gardner missed the ball and caught him. The only reason there is debate is because of Bales reputation. The same would have happened with Suarez. But had the same incident happened with 80% of other Prem players or 100% of Utd players, everyone here would be saying pen.

As all the managers do, how many times have we heard SAF say there was 'contact' when justifying a dodgy penalty in our favour.

 

[Brightonian]

Your last post on the matter was ridiculous. As soon as you said Bale couldn't fit into the tika taka football we were aiming towards that was it.

Again, you're just not reading what I said. I only used the phrase tiki taka (and the complex about using a term like that on here is absurd) to describe using short passes to pick a way through a defensive team sitting back in their box. I clearly wasn't describing the sort of football we're aiming towards.

I also never suggested, as you are, that I only wanted us to have 'small technical players'. However, I think we have a number of small technical players at the moment, and if we end up with two traditional pace-and-power wingers, it will only mire us further in a style of football which is just not working for us any more. I like that we have a player like Valencia, who gives us different assets than Anderson, Kagawa and Cleverley. But I also think it's important that we always have a Nani-esque winger too, otherwise our tendency to reply overmuch on the 'spread it to Valencia and wait for a cross' approach would be exacerbated.

As I said, Bale would probably do well for us. But given that the price he'd command is a massive investment, I'd want us to be getting the perfect player to move us forward as a team, not just a great player. And whilst Bale is clearly the latter, I don't think he's the former.

I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with me, which you obviously do. But don't put words in my mouth or misread my posts to make them something they're not. I'm not some tiki-taka snob, I don't want only small technical players. I simply don't think that at this point in time Bale would be the best option for that particular position in our team.

 

[MrMojo]

Again, you're just not reading what I said. I only used the phrase tiki taka (and the complex about using a term like that on here is absurd) to describe using short passes to pick a way through a defensive team sitting back in their box. I clearly wasn't describing the sort of football we're aiming towards.

I also never suggested, as you are, that I only wanted us to have 'small technical players'. However, I think we have a number of small technical players at the moment, and if we end up with two traditional pace-and-power wingers, it will only mire us further in a style of football which is just not working for us any more. I like that we have a player like Valencia, who gives us different assets than Anderson, Kagawa and Cleverley. But I also think it's important that we always have a Nani-esque winger too, otherwise our tendency to reply overmuch on the 'spread it to Valencia and wait for a cross' approach would be exacerbated.

As I said, Bale would probably do well for us. But given that the price he'd command is a massive investment, I'd want us to be getting the perfect player to move us forward as a team, not just a great player. And whilst Bale is clearly the latter, I don't think he's the former.

I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with me, which you obviously do. But don't put words in my mouth or misread my posts to make them something they're not. I'm not some tiki-taka snob, I don't want only small technical players. I simply don't think that at this point in time Bale would be the best option for that particular position in our team.

It's this notion that the manager has decided after 25 years to change the style of football we play and somehow, you know this.

Anybody who mentions tika bleeding taka needs a period of introspection, it's the second most pathetic term of all time. (Chillax being the worst).

 

[Ash_G]

I don't think the contact was sufficient to bring him down, Bale is a tank, even a slight brush of knees is unlikely to bring him down, and if it did I doubt it would be like that, it looks a controlled fall to me. His comments sum it up, he felt contact so he went down. He's not the only one, the reason why diving is so widespread is because this concept that any contact is sufficient to earn a foul when it's not and this is fueled by the inherent hypocrisy in football.

If he had made a comment that if he doesn't go down he doesn't win the foul than fair enough, that is something that you can understand players feeling and a cause of them going down, but some of them believe that any contact is a foul when they could keep going. Players need to get decisions awarded for being impeded and staying on their feet and not getting an advantage but at the same time players/managers need to move away from claiming that every touch is a foul.

 

[SilentWitness]

No it isn't, a dive or a missed foul in the penalty area is obviously a lot more significant to the result of matches that one outside the box and as such is a much bigger issue.

That's bollocks.

A lot more significant - Yes.
Much bigger issue? - Nope.

If you don't cut it out in one place, you can't then expect to cut it out in other places. Diving is a bigger issue outside the box as there are much more fouls in other areas of the football pitch and easier for players to dive and gain fouls in the middle of the pitch. You see a lot of 'foul dives' (no idea what else to call them) where players come under contact but go over way too easily, which is a dive in my opinion.

 

[Brophs]

Bale's a tit because he claims that any contact is a foul. Or, more likely, he doesn't but uses that as an excuse to continue trying to con referees.