I made this point earlier in the season and got slaughtered.
Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances
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I made this point earlier in the season and got slaughtered.
I always find it funny that the likes of acnumber9 who we already know is not a fan of Nani come into threads like this, say something ridiculous like "he was garbage" and then claim that it is the Nani fans who are wrong. Meanwhile the Nani fans are generally just saying "he had a decent game".
Spot the ones going OTT.
Rooney's 2 clear cut chances were created by Nani.
How much did Antonio Valencia do against an awful John Arne Riise in an uncompetitive game in the 20 odd minutes he was up against him? answer: nish pish.
Those getting credit had better games than Nani and aren't in a position where their future at the club is in doubt. An effort and desire to win his place back and stay at the club?
Have I said Valencia played well? No. Nothing more to say on that matter.
That wasn't my point. My point was regarding just how easy it was according to acnumber9.
shhh it wasn't Nani, it was somebody else.
The criticism Nani is receiving by some posters is weird to me, we all have opinions and shit but still ...
Your point is pointless. Nobody is claiming Valencia is playing well. He isn't. He also had much less game time than Nani. This is the Nani thread. If you want to talk about Valencia maybe you should do it in a thread about Valencia rather than us boring everyone again.
I think Nani needs to do more when he gets his chances to show he still wants to be here. Much like you see from fringe players like Welbeck and Hernandez. I'm not seeing it. Don't be surprised if the manager agrees and Nani is gone by the start of next season. For what little it's worth I hope he turns it around, shows the appropriate desire and earns a new contract because when on his game he is a very good player. I just don't see it happening. There's a very good reason we were in the market for a wide player in the summer. Had we got one I think he'd be gone already.
Why don't you wait a few more matches to have a proper idea on what Nani wants (to stay or to go) ? That was his second appearance after a long injury.
Going on after one or two matches and a lot of media bullshit (where we don't even know what's true and what's false) is too harsh.
Going on after one or two matches and a lot of media bullshit (where we don't even know what's true and what's false) is too harsh.
Once again, Valencia wasn't my point. My point was, it wasn't anywhere near as easy against Risse as you're making out.
Had Rooney been a little more lucky, Nani would have had a hat-trick of assists yesterday and you think he was "garbage". I think he was merely "decent", so which one of us is going all OTT
Nani showed enough desire and was excellent at tracking back yesterday too. So what do you mean by desire? you don't like how he stops and stands up his man maybe?
It's not just based on two matches but from what we've seen from him in he last year or so. Like I said, I won't be surprised if Alex Ferguson is similarly harsh come summer time. I think he's fortunate we didn't get a winger in the summer. He's living on borrowed time and needs to make the most of it. I hope he does but if I was to put a bet on it I think he'll be playing elsewhere next season.
ac, you're overplaying Nani's future with the club. How can you read anything into his performance yesterday in relation to whether or not he stays? As far as I'm concerned, he did what he usually does when he gets back into the team. Try to setup teammates. Take a few shots at goal. Take on the opposing fullback. Drift around the pitch looking for the ball. It doesn't always come off but at least he's trying to do something.
You quote Welbeck who hasn't scored in some time let alone assisted either. Such players are critiqued for their productivity and for all of Welbeck's good work thus far, he hasn't really produced in the final third. Isn't this what you're criticising Nani for?
I'm not sure how he's not showing desire. I take it from your post, you're not all that fond of the lad. I think when you say 'you're not seeing it' you mean he's not meeting your expectations. Because while Welbeck is doing well, he's not done much in the final third as much as we would expect from a forward player. I'm confident he'll get there though.
You quote Welbeck who hasn't scored in some time let alone assisted either. Such players are critiqued for their productivity and for all of Welbeck's good work thus far, he hasn't really produced in the final third. Isn't this what you're criticising Nani for?
I'm not sure how he's not showing desire. I take it from your post, you're not all that fond of the lad. I think when you say 'you're not seeing it' you mean he's not meeting your expectations. Because while Welbeck is doing well, he's not done much in the final third as much as we would expect from a forward player. I'm confident he'll get there though.
Once again, Valencia wasn't my point. My point was, it wasn't anywhere near as easy against Risse as you're making out.
Had Rooney been a little more lucky, Nani would have had a hat-trick of assists yesterday and you think he was "garbage". I think he was merely "decent", so which one of us is going all OTT
Nani showed enough desire and was excellent at tracking back yesterday too. So what do you mean by desire? you don't like how he stops and stands up his man maybe?
It was easy. Riise was fecking awful. Valencia has nothing to do with it as be was also poor when he came on.
I don't think he's working hard enough when he's getting his chances. You obviously do. At the moment there's little more to say on the matter. I've said all I need to say on it.
Maybe I am. Why do you think the club were so keen to sign a new winger in the summer? We'll not know for sure until next season. I hope I'm wrong and he regains the form we seen a couple of seasons ago. It would save a lot of trouble trying to replace him. I just have my doubts and I think the club do too.
I've criticised Nani for not looking like he wants to be here. A players who's future is in doubt or is trying to earn a new contract needs to be working his balls off like the players I've mentioned. I don't think he is. I may be wrong and we may see the proof of that in the coming months. I we do I'm happy to come back and admit I was wrong to write him off.
I am bewildered by how many people do not rate Nani.
Whenever he played for a full season, he always contributes with the goals and assists.
He may fail sometimes because hes trying to be adventurous but he easily contributes more over a season then young and the current Valencia.
Whenever he played for a full season, he always contributes with the goals and assists.
He may fail sometimes because hes trying to be adventurous but he easily contributes more over a season then young and the current Valencia.
It's all to do with his style of play, he'll never be universally loved by United fans unless he's scoring or assisting in every single game he plays. Something about the way he plays the game gives him zero leeway with a huge portion of our fanbase. Hardly surprising really, these are the same fans that "weren't sure" about Ronaldo for a good few years.
How can the opposition LB be awful and yet both right wingers he came up against be poor too?
Surely if the LB was awful, the players he was up against were good atleast or if the players poor, the LB had a good game?
Why were we so keen to sign RVP? Were we selling Rooney, Welbeck or Hernandez?
Maybe SAF isn't happy with his wingers in general and wanted to see if a new player could take us on step and let his other 3 fight for their places?
In short, why does SAF's search for a new winger have to be Nani related rather than Nani, Valencia, Young, Giggs related?
Who knows mate? Hard to say.
I think Nani did work hard yesterday. How is a player not showing desire if he tracks back to intercept a pass which potentially would have led to a fulham player having a one-on-one with de Gea? That's what Nani did.
Again, I just think Nani isn't meeting your expectations but I dont think it means he doesn't want to be here.
We also know Nani takes time to get into good form and the more games he gets on the run, the better off he will be.
Secondly, there is a lot of football to be played from now until the summer. I'd wager there's a good chance Nani will have important contribution in that time period.
I understand your worries mate but let's not jump the gun too early. If he goes, he goes. As I have gotten older over the years, I have become less emotionally attached to players. Even ones I felt we shouldn't have let go. I would hate for Nani to go but even if he does and it's a mistake, you have to live with it and get on with life. That's the price you pay for such decisions.
For me, it would be a huge risk if we sold Nani without bringing in an able replacement. I don't think Zaha is meant to be that replacement. It would be putting a lot of pressure on a young kid to expect that kind of output so soon after coming up from the lower leagues.
Let's just see what happens with Nani. It's quite possible he could perform well and still get sold. If you haven't I'd suggest watching a Youtube compilation of his performance yesterday or just watch the game again. I think it would be harsh to say his performance was worse than decent.
How can the opposition LB be awful and yet both right wingers he came up against be poor too?
Surely if the LB was awful, the players he was up against were good atleast or if the players poor, the LB had a good game?
My point exactly but don't expect any sense out of ac on the matter, he's decided that Nani was garbage but Risse was too, and Valencia.... hmmmmmm.
How can the opposition LB be awful and yet both right wingers he came up against be poor too?
Surely if the LB was awful, the players he was up against were good atleast or if the players poor, the LB had a good game?
That is some convoluted logic, Varun.
LB can be shit by allowing you to go past his side and the winger can be shit with his awful delivery and decision making. It is not a rule that one has to be good if the other was bad.
Which didn't happen with Nani or Valencia yesterday.
If either of them produced a Bebe performance it'd make sense.
Plus idiots are not considering that he is returning from an injury and has rarely played in the last couple of months.
for the entire 90mins? With 2 different wingers having a go at the same LB? And we're talking about wingers like Nani and Valencia here mate, not some non league players who cant cross the ball.
The problem is, ac is intent on going into extremes. Riise was awful, nani was poot, Valencia too was poor etc. The truth lies in between. Nani had a decent game and so did Riise. There were occasions where he got the better of Riise but he managed to get blocks in. There were also occasions were Riise was right on the money.
Its to be expected too, Nani's playing again after a long time. He was good but was missing that extra bit that is so important in PL football. He still offered a big threat though and was in no way poor. Could have done better for sure, but still had a good game.
Those who always critisize Nani to the extreme were doing probably the same to Giggs 10 years ago and wanted him out. These types of players play on the edge and it can be nerve wrecking at times but there's also the moments of genious.
When did I ever say that he produced a Bebe like performance yesterday?
Whatever it is, it fits their agenda right now no matter what. People should consider it is more helpful to cheer a player on than moaning
How can the opposition LB be awful and yet both right wingers he came up against be poor too?
Surely if the LB was awful, the players he was up against were good atleast or if the players poor, the LB had a good game?
How can't they be? The left back can give them all the space in the world and the wingers can waste it. It's quite easy. I thought Nani was shit. I watched it with two others with similar opinions. Valencia was also shit.
My intent is giving my opinion on the game as I saw it. My overall opinion on Nani is not based on one game. I'm happy to admit that my doubts on Nani may have lead me to be overly harsh on his performance yesterday. I hope he gets better and allays my doubts. If he does I will say so.
Some maybe. Not me. I have no problem with attacking players trying to create. I expect them to have the desire to play for the club. I'm not sure he has that at the moment.
I think this is probably the issue and fair play to you for admitting it might be the case. Like I said earlier, I watched the game this morning after already knowing the score and I just can't for the life of me fathom how anyone could think it was a garbage performance from Nani.
Same here IAR. Each to their own I guess.
Explained that already. When you go the extent of calling the left back poor, and say he gave wingers like Nani and Valencia all the space/time in the world, there's no way that can be true when the wingers are poor at the same time. Its Nani and Valencia we're talking of mate, not non league players. Even off form, if the LB is as diabolical as you say he was, they'd put fantastic balls in or skin the left back to get into great areas often in the game over 90mins. It didnt happen.
What happened was that both the LB and the wingers had above average games. Both got the better of the other on occasions.
Again, how can you conclude something like that when he's played in 2 games in the last couple of months?
He tracked back very well yesterday, iirc, he was the one who chased back all across the length of the pitch to cut off a final ball on a counter. How is that a sign of a player who doesnt care?
A few of the groans from the crowd yesterday were embarrassing by the way, on the Hernandez goal the Stretford End moaned at him for slowing the play which was 100% the right thing to do, he then waits for Rooney's support, passes him the ball and we end up with a goal.
I'd want to piss off from this club and it's supporters if I was Nani to be honest.
I'd want to piss off from this club and it's supporters if I was Nani to be honest.
Yeah, i noticed the groans too. Absolutely idiotic thing to do. There were groans when he lingered on the ball a moment or 2. You'd think they'd be used to it by now considering thats all Valencia has done this season
Fair enough.
What is happening is that both of them, Nani last night and Val this season, are taking a little extra time before delivering the ball. This is helping the FB's get in position and put in the blocks. Neither Riise nor Nani and Valencia were very good last night. The Fulham team as a whole was garbage, TBH.
Nani was decent, managed a couple of good shots too. But overall his decision making left a lot to be desired. The problem is that I have seen it plenty of times, and it makes me doubt him.
Let's hope both of them get better, as we need them to hit some form. Wingers good form is essential to our style of play.
Yeah, i noticed the groans too. Absolutely idiotic thing to do. There were groans when he lingered on the ball a moment or 2. You'd think they'd be used to it by now considering thats all Valencia has done this season
It's obvious he's just not liked by many in the stadium, fecking retarded way to support your football team and a former Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year.
And some of us love to big up what great supporters we have.
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