If only some of our fans would do what Summit did. Watching the match again can really change what you initially thought.
Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances
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He was pretty good I thought
Still as thick as a plank though.
Still as thick as a plank though.
THat's some gary neville logic right there. Maybe you should consider operating on a different premise. Using the basis of your premise to say anyone who thinks the contrary is delusional is a bit thick mate.
Not everyone sees the game the same way. You should do what Summit did and watch the game again if you can. His opinion slightly changed after doing so.
Fair play to him.
Why would you want to change what you initially thought? Why would it be an issue if your initial opinion was in fact an imperfect representation of what happened? Flawed opinions are what the game has lived off for over a century.
He really is a shit michael jackson. Poor lad
It's not about wanting mate. As you outline, most fans are fine with watching the match once. However, most fans who do watch the game again realise things they didn't notice before because most of the emotion is already removed from the situation. You already know the score. You know who scored and you have a good idea of who you thought performed well.
It's not really an issue mate but it does offer more perspective if you choose to watch the match again.
Great way to analyse tactics.
If he had come back with a similar opinion to before you would be saying nothing of this sort.
I'm glad someone changed your name.
The reason to watch United games is to get emotionally invested and support your team, surely? Not to emotionally detach yourself from it all to analyse tactics and form rock-solid opinions on a bunch of blokes kicking a ball about.
I would to some extent. His premise did him no favors. Sometimes watching the match again changes one's stance. Sometimes it reinforces it. Bottom line, your opinion slightly changes in one way or another.
They were booing him where I was. The people in front were talking ALL first half about how he NEEDED to be sold and how much they hated him.
Which is why most fans will choose to watch the match once. My point is simply watching it again does offer more perspective imo. When you're emotionally invested in a match let alone anything, there are some events/instances you miss. Watching it again can show what you may have missed.
It also serves as a method to provide a more objective analysis of a player's performance.
I wonder what will happen when he does score. Tossers.
That "hate" for Nani, I just dont get it. People are super sensitive and impatient when it comes to him that is difficult to understand, esp. after showing he's one of the best players in England when on form.
He will probably only be really appreciated once he leaves.
He will probably only be really appreciated once he leaves.
This and your previous attachment are priceless. Whatever about your synopsis of the average football game, I myself like to watch the game, as it happens and makes my analysis from there.
I do not chose to be swayed by fan boy dialect or otherwise. What yoy must realize is that some people are so blinded by the truth, that they will literally create arguments to defend this. If you really watched that game yesterday, you would see that he got into space plenty of times and received the ball plenty of times....However, he was massively wasteful. I am not saying that he shouldn't shoot when given the opportunity, not a little. Yesterday though, his shooting was off, his crossing was off and his overall game was not good enough. Nani's impurities stem from his questionable decsion making and yestersay this ran riot!
I don't to watch the game again to tell you that.
I don't sense hate for Nani. I sense a growing frustration that when he is on, he is majestic. Turning him on seems to be the hard thing these days. If a diehard fan is not allowed portray his/her opinion on this matter without being labelled as a figure of hatred for the player, feck knows.
You know what I dont get..why some people choose to ignore what is right infront of them and continuously reiterate the 'when he is on...wow'
Yup, he's our best winger by some distance too.
When you really analyse this statement, is it a good thing at the moment? Valencia is playing diabolical and Young is a good player who tries hard. The whole world knows that Nani is capable of moments of magic but I have to say that the tinted opinions on here is audacious.
I hope to god he signs a contract and manages to reinstate consistency...really do. Also can not wait to see Zaha in a United shirt
Do you think this forum would improve or the football discussion would improve if everyone re-watched the game and provided a more objective analysis of a player's performance? Don't you think that takes all the fun out of football?
The way you wrote that almost made me think it was opinion turned to belief. It's your prerogative mate. I simply state maybe watching it again with some emotion removed could change your opinion on Nani's performance. At the end of the day, does it really mean that much? Probably not. However, I do think it counts for something if we're discussing a player's performance.
About that wasteful bit, that's kind of my point. Someone might choose to see it differently no less give him a pass because he's returning to fitness. For me, I didn't really think he was all that wasteful but you do. But yet I'm somehow delusional if I don't agree with you??
Obviously this is the nani thread but for the sake of comparison, I thought Rooney was fairly wasteful in the first half. This is why I like to watch games again though. It either reaffirms or contradicts my initial thought. Unless I distinctly remember each opportunity Nani had and what he did with it in that first half, am I really giving an accurate assessment of his performance to say "he was really wasteful" without being completely sure that was the case?
Now that I have said what I said about Rooney, I have even more incentive to watch the match again. I could well be wrong and that's what watching the match again can do for you. Not many do it but from personal experience and speaking with others, it does seem to help.
I thought it was a very good performance in the circumstances. It's a boost having him back.
I don't think it would take the fun out. If people remembered more instances of the match, they could potentially have more to talk about.
Keep in mind, this sort of situation wouldn't be such a bad idea a couple days after the match has been played. It's not necessarily about the forum improving though. The forum is more so at the mercy of the members' conduct and how the mods choose to moderate that.
Your hypothetical question doesn't quite work for me because I think it's safe to assume not everyone can re-watch the match.
After watching the match, the various moments of the game remains fresh in one's mind. However, come the next day, perhaps one's memory may not be so clear. In this instance, you have some options to choose from.
1) Read a match report.
2) Rely on your previously formed opinion.
3) Trust a fellow poster's remembrance of the match
4) Watch the game again
You are a lot younger than me Brwned so your memory may be so good, you only need option #2. I can't the same for myself or others whose memory is not so good.
I didn't think Nani played that well. He looked threatening but his end product was very poor. But it was a welcome change to Valencia and with Nani you always get the feeling he can create something out of nothing to win you a game.
I hope we don't sell him, too talented not to get back in form and we won't get anywhere near his true value.
I hope we don't sell him, too talented not to get back in form and we won't get anywhere near his true value.
As far as I can tell, Nani will never truly be loved by the United contingent. He will always divide. You see it in the way fans discuss both him and Valencia. Some fans just love a player who is consistent and can guarantee a solid performance game in, game out. Others like the player is a bit more unpredictable yet has that certain X factor about him.
Nani has the capability to be consistent but based on his array of talent, I am unsure if he will do it to the extent that will satisfy United supporters. Most recognize his form in 10/11 and the second half of 09/10. However, despite that, praise for Nani seems hard to come by these days. I have seen it at the pub and in the stands. He's a lad who tries your patience and because you know he's so talented, you become even more frustrated. Nonetheless, this sort of frustration transpires even when you would think such a player would be given more of a grace period considering he has been out for so long.
But perhaps a lot of fans were expecting the nani of 10/11. Or maybe somewhere in the middle. Regardless, Nani could have a great end to this season contributing goals and assists. You'll still find a fan who doesn't fancy him no matter how well he does. It seems like too much attention is given towards a player's personality and that shapes how he's perceived.
As we speak I am watching the match again and realising how I was a bit harsh on Rooney in the early part of the first half.
Basically, fans identify a bit too strongly with their own opinions. But I guess that's what makes football what it is. It's just interesting when a player like Nani has a decent performance yet some would have you believe he needs to be sold.....NOW!
Nani has the capability to be consistent but based on his array of talent, I am unsure if he will do it to the extent that will satisfy United supporters. Most recognize his form in 10/11 and the second half of 09/10. However, despite that, praise for Nani seems hard to come by these days. I have seen it at the pub and in the stands. He's a lad who tries your patience and because you know he's so talented, you become even more frustrated. Nonetheless, this sort of frustration transpires even when you would think such a player would be given more of a grace period considering he has been out for so long.
But perhaps a lot of fans were expecting the nani of 10/11. Or maybe somewhere in the middle. Regardless, Nani could have a great end to this season contributing goals and assists. You'll still find a fan who doesn't fancy him no matter how well he does. It seems like too much attention is given towards a player's personality and that shapes how he's perceived.
As we speak I am watching the match again and realising how I was a bit harsh on Rooney in the early part of the first half.
Basically, fans identify a bit too strongly with their own opinions. But I guess that's what makes football what it is. It's just interesting when a player like Nani has a decent performance yet some would have you believe he needs to be sold.....NOW!
Was very happy with him. Friend texted right after one sot saying "Nani is so selfish". My response: I like it, I prefer him taking people on and the shoots rather than the passes backwards. That he could attack defenders and make the commit and open up gaps for others was a very good thing.
He also was not negligent of his defensive duties. Really hope he keeps getting games.
He also was not negligent of his defensive duties. Really hope he keeps getting games.
I don't think there's any question that rewatching a game is the best way to judge a performance. Obviously it's not as exciting and taking the emotion out of it is rubbish, but it is the best way to make a judgement on a performance.
Yeah, agree with all of this. Nani is unreasonably judged. People see what he should be as opposed to what he does actually do.
There was a good example the other day when he controlled the ball fantastically from a lobbed ball over the top for a chance. No goal came of it, but it was top quality play and showed what a wonderful touch he has. It's just so easy for Nani though that things like that aren't really remembered as much as his poorer pieces of play (which are no more prevalent with him than with Rooney, Young, Valencia, etc).
should be starting at the minute given Valencia's form
thought he looked very very dangerous
when he gets the final ball right he's superb
thought he looked very very dangerous
when he gets the final ball right he's superb
Oh, poor old argument "he is capable of producing moments of magic and that's it, he is shit in the rest of the game". 
He created three or four good chances yesterday, and he was involved in most of our good play, and still people say he had just couple of moments of magic.
He created three or four good chances yesterday, and he was involved in most of our good play, and still people say he had just couple of moments of magic.
All those flicks and tricks are okay but wingers and striker are no good without the end product. I have never been convinced and yesterday didn't do anything to change that.
We'll need to him to challenge for the cups. Hopefully he'll improve with more games.
We'll need to him to challenge for the cups. Hopefully he'll improve with more games.
Might aswell sell Welbeck then since his end product is woeful. May aswell forget about the chances Nani created and the assist too.
Nani has always been the most productive of our wingers, with time and matches, he will easily show it again and specially with the form of the other wingers bar Giggs
Set up 2 great chances for Rooney actually. Just sayin' like.
I never get that criticism. Every winger will waste a few crosses in a game. Nani always at least provides 1 or 2 per game on a plate for somebody in the side. Giggs is one of the most wasteful players because he tries so many high risk through balls, yet it's barely mentioned. Even in his masterclass against West Ham there were over 5 instances in the first half where he gave the ball straight back to the opposition with impossible passes.
As I have said, Giggsy has won over the fans. Nani has not. Cognitive dissonance.
And Forevergiggs. never convinced? You must be quite the critic.
I think he was garbage and his fans here are desperately trying to suggest otherwise. He's a good player and if he really wants to get better then I'm sure he will but for me he's looked like a player who no longer wants to be here.
What chances did he create? Giving him credit for that assist is a little generous.
Set up Rooney twice, played a good ball in behind the defence which nobody looked to tap in. Set up Rafael just before Rooney's disallowed goal.
You think he was garbage? wow
People are right, no middle ground on him. Nobody on here is saying he was brilliant yesterday, but saying he was beyond awful and garbage. fecking hell
You think he was garbage? wow
People are right, no middle ground on him. Nobody on here is saying he was brilliant yesterday, but saying he was beyond awful and garbage. fecking hell
He was up against an awful John Arne Riise in an uncompetitive game. He had an easy game and still did very little. He should be gustig a gut when he gets these opportunities. I don't think he is.
He did have an easy game, so did the rest of our 11 but it doesn't stop people giving them credit. He had good moments in the game, and some poor ones. He's been out for over 2 months and is showing more than our other wingers have done in ages. He tracked back all game, and was involved in most of our good play. What more do people want from a player just coming back from injury?
If Welbeck is doing the same in 5 years then we should definitely sell him.
He had a good spell and was awesome for a period in 2010-2011 season, when for me he kept us in the title race more than Berba in Rooney's absence. But besides that he has been more off than on. Plus, his decision making hasn't improved a lot and he still makes some dumb ass decisions.
I am not convinced, Sorry mate.
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