Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances

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Cina said:
Rob, I get what your saying, but the Wilshere thing especially is of no relevance here. He's not a winger, and there's no way we would be able to get him. Bale also would cost a fortune that I doubt we would be willing to part with.

You say there's plenty of wingers out there better than Nani who we could get but if your only two examples are Bale and Wilshere then I feel like it's a bit of an empty statement to make.
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Ok let me retract the winger bit, what I really meant was players in general. You don't absolutely have to have wingers or great wingers at any case, your wingers have been poor this season, yet you are where you are, because the team as a unit and a whole is exceptional. What I meant was you could get better players to add to the squad if you sell Nani on.

Not that you would get the money for Bale/Wilshere through the sale of Nani. Bale is probably valued at 3 times the price on todays market :(
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Ok guys, realism here. Nani had a good half, but do you not remember the first game of the season when Hazard had a good game vs Wigan?

All I could read was 'Its Wigan' etc etc.

I took the point on board and the same goes here.

45 minutes vs Reading in the FA Cup does not suddenly mean the rest of the season can be forgotten about, he has had a very inconsistent season.

When hes on the top of his game hes a great player, but that's no good if hes only on the top of his game for one game in the cup, and a few dotted about here and there. You need players who are consistently playing well or you can never know what you are going to get when you put them out there.

Give him QPR, get him games, but giving him Real Madrid would be suicidal at this stage imo.
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We all agree with that though? I don't get your point. The vast majority have said he's been poor this season but it's nice to see him come back after a while out of the team and put in a performance like that. We all know what he's capable off, on his day he's a world class winger we just hope this is a turning point for him this season. More than anything I just want to see him given a chance, it's seemed like SAF had given up on him lets hope this makes him think twice.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Bale, Wilshere, Lewandowski. ( I know they are not directly in Nanis mould at all but they are all players you could buy from the sale of Nani.)

At present all three are far better ( from a non bias point of view)
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Bale :lol: He'd cost about £50m. Wilshere? You're having a laugh mate. Lewandowski? He's a striker and no, he would cost a fecking awful lot too.

Fact is there are no better options out there than Nani when he plays to his potential. To do this he has to be given trust and a run of games, like Valencia who has been utter utter crap all season long yet starts all the time. It's totally obvious Fergie isn't playing him due to the contract issues. On ability alone Nani pisses all over Valencia, and it's even more evident when Valencia is off form. He basically ends up offering absolutely nothing. Zero. Nada.

To replace Nani we would have to shop in the Bale/Silva/Mata/Di Maria class. So, give me realistic options? I'd give you Rodriguez, Isco, maybe Goetze if we'd break the bank... I'd rather replace one of our other wingers who are worse than Nani... and no, this is not knee-jerk after Nani's performance tonight, our wingers have been shocking this season.
 
He's got better and better since coming back. I hope he gets a run in the team now.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Ok guys, realism here. Nani had a good half, but do you not remember the first game of the season when Hazard had a good game vs Wigan?

All I could read was 'Its Wigan' etc etc.

I took the point on board and the same goes here.

45 minutes vs Reading in the FA Cup does not suddenly mean the rest of the season can be forgotten about, he has had a very inconsistent season.

When hes on the top of his game hes a great player, but that's no good if hes only on the top of his game for one game in the cup, you need a player whos consistently playing well or you can never know what you are going to get when you put them out there.

Give him QPR, get him games, but giving him Real Madrid would be suicidal at this stage imo.

Bale and Wilshere are comfortably better than Nani, and both would almost certainly benefit your team more if you bought them and sold Nani in the summer.
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He has missed half of the season because of injury. Its not like he has been poor like valencia. Rest of the time, he hasn't gotten games consistently. Because of all these stop starts, he has been quite inconsistent. Tbf I am not sure about starting him against madrid as well.
 
Hectic said:
Wilshire isn't a winger, so let's stop with talking about getting him as a replacement for one. Bale would not be remotely available with the funds of Nani's sale, so there's no point even going there. Who else can we buy that is better than Nani, with the money we would get from his sale? There isn't anyone.
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No sorry I meant to say in an earlier post ( as I was typing several messages quickly)I retract the bit about buying as a replacement, I meant buying a better player in general.

I know they aren't going to cost the same, but it would help fund it.

A United with Wilshere and without Nani, is alot more scary.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Ok let me retract the winger bit, what I really meant was players in general. You don't absolutely have to have wingers or great wingers at any case, your wingers have been poor this season, yet you are where you are, because the team as a unit and a whole is exceptional. What I meant was you could get better players to add to the squad if you sell Nani on.

Not that you would get the money for Bale/Wilshere through the sale of Nani. Bale is probably valued at 3 times the price on todays market :(
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Hey look, I'd be all for getting Wilshere, but what does that have to do with selling our best winger? He's not going to replace him!

There really aren't many wingers out there at Nani's standard who aren't going to cost a mental amount of cash.

You know what I'd like? I'd like Fergie to start Nani for more than one game in a row, to not drop him every single time he doesn't play at the top of his game, to have as much faith in him as he seems to have in Valencia and Young, who have been worse than him this season and are worse players in general!
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Hes played well today but seriously, you guys do like to moan when other teams fans do this business of calling a player shit untill he has one half of a game in which hes good and suddenly he becomes one of the most important players in the team again.

Its Reading at home in the FA cup, this 45 minutes in which i'll admit hes been good, does not make up for a lot of the time when he is not
I still think you should keep him, hes a great squad player to have, but he is not a player you cant afford to lose, in fact you could easily attract a far better player in a similar position in the summer.

Which evidently I think you will.
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Most people aren't complimenting this singular performance. They're complimenting the fact that this performance is indicative of Nani in good form. He's our best winger when in good form, comfortably.

ItsEssexRob said:
Up until the start of this season I thought Valencia was far better, in fact I felt he may mature into a world class winger this season, but Tony has been poor this season and seems to have regressed.

On that basis Nani is the best of the three currently, but you guys would be the first to admit it has not been a good season for your wingers in general.

I think Nani will go in the summer, and you will sign another.
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Valencia has never been far better.

ItsEssexRob said:
Bale and Wilshere are comfortably better than Nani, and both would almost certainly benefit your team more if you bought them and sold Nani in the summer.
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Before this season I would never have accepted that Bale is better than Nani... But given this season that he is better, what is the relevance? If Arsenal or Tottenham were willing to trade like for like I'd accept your point. But if we had to free up wages and/or get a transfer fee in order to purchase them there is 2 wingers/several other players I'd sell before Nani.

It's like saying Falcao and Iniesta are comfortably better players than Mata and it would benefit your team more if you bought one of them and sold Mata... It wouldn't make sense.
 
Cina said:
Rob, I get what you're saying, but the Wilshere thing especially is of no relevance here. He's not a winger, and there's no way we would be able to get him. Bale also would cost a fortune that I doubt we would be willing to part with.

You say there's plenty of wingers out there better than Nani who we could get but if your only two examples are Bale and Wilshere then I feel like it's a bit of an empty statement to make.
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There are Messi and Iniesta too.
 
Castia said:
We all agree with that though? I don't get your point. The vast majority have said he's been poor this season but it's nice to see him come back after a while out of the team and put in a performance like that. We all know what he's capable off, on his day he's a world class winger we just hope this is a turning point for him this season. More than anything I just want to see him given a chance, it's seemed like SAF had given up on him lets hope this makes him think twice.
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Ok, yeah I get you, just trying to keep things in perspective for some who seemed to think he should be starting vs Madrid and suddenly was the teams backbone again. I do understand its venting relief after a long time seeing him out, not playing, scoring or doing much.

I would like you guys to keep the English flag flying in Europe so I am really hoping he does not start vs Madrid.

I have a feeling he will start vs QPR after tonight.
 
I'm always right said:
How so?

Wasn't it you that just described Young as being the winger with the brain? I think RAWK would love you.
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I said Young had a brain, Nani is capable of epic brainfarts which Young doesn't succumb to, mainly because he doesn't make bad decisions often. I prefer him to start in big games.

It's like RAWK because from a good half against Reading has caused the forum to jizz all over the place shouting out ridiculous statements about his ability.
 
Love watching this guy play. Always feel he's capable of something spectacular when he picks the ball up. Our only winger that looks completely at ease on the ball and has the desire to express himself on the pitch.

Really hope we give him a chance on the right wing, but I'm always fearful that if he has a poor game he'll instantly be on the bench next time round.
 
A goal and an assist for our most talented winger

The sad thing is that if one of Nani, Valencia and Young are to leave it will be Nani
 
SAF:
Nani deserved to be man of the match, his contribution was terrific. I had a feeling he would win the match for us.
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That didn't stop him from only bringing him on after a Jones injury though! Anyway really hope he gets a good run of games now.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Ok, yeah I get you, just trying to keep things in perspective for some who seemed to think he should be starting vs Madrid and suddenly was the teams backbone again. I do understand its venting relief after a long time seeing him out, not playing, scoring or doing much.

I would like you guys to keep the English flag flying in Europe so I am really hoping he does not start vs Madrid.

I have a feeling he will start vs QPR after tonight.
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Plenty on him have been crying out for him to get more games for months and months now, this isn't a kneejerk thing at all.
 
The thing Nani has is complete belief in his ability, he doesn't let anything affect him. I don't think Valencia and Young have that.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Bale, Wilshere, Lewandowski. ( I know they are not directly in Nanis mould at all but they are all players you could buy from the sale of Nani.)

At present all three are far better ( from a non bias point of view)
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WHy would be want Lewandoski when we have four strikers on the books and using one of them on the wings half the time? Wilshere is not available and we dont have the £40-50m Spurs want for Bale. Attract far better players than Nani? Why should we spend needlessly when we can get him to just sign a contract? Did you mistake reality for Football Manager? Wake up alright!
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Ok guys, realism here. Nani had a good half, but do you not remember the first game of the season when Hazard had a good game vs Wigan?

All I could read was 'Its Wigan' etc etc.

I took the point on board and the same goes here.

45 minutes vs Reading in the FA Cup does not suddenly mean the rest of the season can be forgotten about, he has had a very inconsistent season.

When hes on the top of his game hes a great player, but that's no good if hes only on the top of his game for one game in the cup, and a few dotted about here and there. You need players who are consistently playing well or you can never know what you are going to get when you put them out there.

Give him QPR, get him games, but giving him Real Madrid would be suicidal at this stage imo.

Bale and Wilshere are comfortably better than Nani, and both would almost certainly benefit your team more if you bought them and sold Nani in the summer.
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Wilshere is yet to have a year like Nani had in 2010. For whatever reason (injury, inconsistency and some unexplainable omissions) he's not kicked on from there to be the consistently world class player he should've been, but there is no way that Bale and Wilshere are 'comfortably' better than Nani. Bale this season looks to me to be at a pretty similar level to what Nani was like during that calender year (whereby he was undoubtedly amazing).

On the other points, and I'm guessing it's due to contract issues, Nani has basically no leeway when it comes to making errors in the first team. Because of that it is impossible to measure Nani's ability based on this season when his first team inclusions have been so scattered. One thing that seems clear is that Nani needs to be consistently picked and allowed to express himself in order to slip into his groove, and that's just not something he's had for quite a while.

He should definitely start vs QPR and, if he's looking fit and in similar form to today, it would be great to see him start against Madrid. What Nani offers that none of our other wingers really do is the option to play fluent football from the wings. Valencia definitely doesn't offer that currently, and Young has only really done that it in spurts since joining. Whether Nani is on form or not, there is no doubt that we play quality football when he links up with the forwards or people like Cleverley/Anderson and it benefits our whole attacking game. He's also one of the few players in our team that has good enough skill, close control and composure to play football in tight situations - something I think we've been lacking and that has in turn, in conjunction with the insistence on a 2 man midfield, been very influential in us finding it difficult to maintain possession.
 
finneh said:
Most people aren't complimenting this singular performance. They're complimenting the fact that this performance is indicative of Nani in good form. He's our best winger when in good form, comfortably.



Valencia has never been far better.



Before this season I would never have accepted that Bale is better than Nani... But given this season that he is better, what is the relevance? If Arsenal or Tottenham were willing to trade like for like I'd accept your point. But if we had to free up wages and/or get a transfer fee in order to purchase them there is 2 wingers I'd sell before Nani.

It's like saying Falcao and Iniesta are comfortably better players than Mata and it would benefit your team more if you bought one of them and sold Mata... It wouldn't make sense.
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Kind of, but Mata runs our team more than Nani runs yours.

You would not miss Nani like we would miss Mata, even if he were replaced by Iniseta or Falcao.

My point also comes from the fact it seems like Nani is going anyway and that it is reflected in the fact he is not starting games. He surely wouldn''t have played today if Jones had not been injured?
 
TheBest said:
He has missed half of the season because of injury. Its not like he has been poor like valencia. Rest of the time, he hasn't gotten games consistently. Because of all these stop starts, he has been quite inconsistent. Tbf I am not sure about starting him against madrid as well.
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He hasn't had a good season, there's no disputing that, but is it really that surprising? He's had 9 games in the league, 7 of those starts with injuries between them. He needs a run of games, I think it's that simple.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Give him QPR, get him games, but giving him Real Madrid would be suicidal at this stage imo.
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What do you think that he is going to do, start doing kick ups on the edge of our box and spank an overhead kick past the flailing De Gea?

Premier League (3): 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11
Football League Cup (1): 2008–09
UEFA Champions League (1): 2007–08
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008

That up there is Nani's trophy cabinet, the guy is very experienced at the top level, far far more experienced than Hazard.









This guy can play brilliantly against any team.
 
paceme said:
I said Young had a brain, Nani is capable of epic brainfarts which Young doesn't succumb to, mainly because he doesn't make bad decisions often. I prefer him to start in big games.

It's like RAWK because from a good half against Reading has caused the forum to jizz all over the place shouting out ridiculous statements about his ability.
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I don't see anyone saying he is good as Messi, just people saying he is our best winger and that he should be starting regulary, what's wrong with that?

And after all, he just won us the match.
 
wr8_utd said:
Nah that would make far too much sense.



This really annoys me too. He'll take just 3 seconds on the ball and they start howling. He shut them up pretty good though with the goal soon after. Crowd really needs to get off his back
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Yeah, it's gotten to the point whereby it felt like that goal should've been a big 'feck you'...to the fans. I haven't been able to get down to games as much recently, but it was never that bad in the past. Everyone just seems to get ridiculously irritable and impatient whenever he gets the ball, it's very odd.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
What do you think that he is going to do, start doing kick ups on the edge of our box and spank an overhead kick past the flailing De Gea?

Premier League (3): 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11
Football League Cup (1): 2008–09
UEFA Champions League (1): 2007–08
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008

That up there is Nani's trophy cabinet, the guy is very experienced at the top level, far far more experienced than Hazard.









This guy can play brilliantly against any team.
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Edited that bit since it wasnt that goal!.

Yes he was very good in that season, but we're not in that season anymore.

Nani needs games but to put him out against Real madrid is a feck up waiting to happen.

What has Hazard got to do with this btw? Other than the bit where I referenced one of our players being brought to earth by the fact they were playing a 'lesser' team.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Give him QPR, get him games, but giving him Real Madrid would be suicidal at this stage imo.
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Your posts are getting dumber by the page Rob. Its not like he is an academy player who just had his first game for United. He is a world class winger and given the form our wingers have been in this season, I would much rather him start over Valencia on the right hand side, if we are going to be playing wingers to start with.
 
Amar__ said:
I don't see anyone saying he is good as Messi, just people saying he is our best winger and that he should be starting regulary, what's wrong with that?

And after all, he just won us the match.
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Someone above made some weird ass post starting with something like

Tormentor, destroyer, genius, flair

Someone said they wouldn't take either Wilshere or Bale over him!

I'm glad he won us the game but this is abit over the top.
 
RDCR07 said:
Your posts are getting dumber by the page Rob. Its not like he is an academy player who just had his first game for United. He is a world class winger and given the form our wingers have been in this season, I would much rather him start over Valencia on the right hand side, if we are going to be playing wingers to start with.
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:lol:

Well said. It's almost as if Nani hasn't being playing for us for years now, and the current state of our wingers isn't to be taken into account.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
What do you think that he is going to do, start doing kick ups on the edge of our box and spank an overhead kick past the flailing De Gea?

Premier League (3): 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11
Football League Cup (1): 2008–09
UEFA Champions League (1): 2007–08
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008

That up there is Nani's trophy cabinet, the guy is very experienced at the top level, far far more experienced than Hazard.









This guy can play brilliantly against any team.
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Yeah, I don't get that either to be honest, must admit. Nani is exactly the sort of player we could do with against Madrid. Someone that is actually top class in possession and able to cope with players pressing. Playing Valencia at the moment would seem suicidal given that he's unfortunately consistently slowing down our game, and Young shouldn't be played at this point (if at all over Nani). That leaves you with one fit winger so, unless we're going to line up with some sort of diamond or with Welbeck and Rooney on the wings, Nani should start.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Kind of, but Mata runs our team more than Nani runs yours.

You would not miss Nani like we would miss Mata, even if he were replaced by Iniseta or Falcao.

My point also comes from the fact it seems like Nani is going anyway and that it is reflected in the fact he is not starting games. He surely wouldn''t have played today if Jones had not been injured?
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Nani was our player of the year the season before last, he ran our team. Injuries and being out of favour for whatever reason have meant he has been far less influential than he almost certainly would have been. Nani in his best form can be as influential to our team as Mata for you, given that our game is based around wide men.

The reason I used Mata as an example is that if you were looking to free up a position for a Falcao or similar, I'm sure you'd prefer to lose any of Hazard, Torres, Oscar etc before Mata. A similar situation in my opinion for Nani at United.
 
paceme said:
Someone above made some weird ass post starting with something like

Tormentor, destroyer, genius, flair

Someone said they wouldn't take either Wilshere or Bale over him!

I'm glad he won us the game but this is abit over the top.
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That was a bit over the top, but so was claiming that you would rather see Ashley Young starting big games, have you been smoking crack?!?
 
RDCR07 said:
Your posts are getting dumber by the page Rob. Its not like he is an academy player who just had his first game for United. He is a world class winger and given the form our wingers have been in this season, I would much rather him start over Valencia on the right hand side, if we are going to be playing wingers to start with.
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You think its dumb to say starting him vs Real Madrid would be a bad move?.:wenger:

Living in the past.
 
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