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Its not my fault my posts are shit. I dont have time to come on here every day and when you come on infrequently it is hard to build momentum or rapport with other posters. I comfort eat when people criticise my comments and have to log out after 60 or 70 minutes of posting because my fingers get sore.

I have a really high ceiling as a poster. But the chances of my fulfilling my potential are, I fear, minimal. Sell me to RAWK.
 
Might have been discussed before, but I find it quite telling that most players name Anderson as the laziest player in training without a moment's hesitation.
 
Adebesi said:
Its not my fault my posts are shit. I dont have time to come on here every day and when you come on infrequently it is hard to build momentum or rapport with other posters. I comfort eat when people criticise my comments and have to log out after 60 or 70 minutes of posting because my fingers get sore.

I have a really high ceiling as a poster. But the chances of my fulfilling my potential are, I fear, minimal. Sell me to RAWK.
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:lol::lol:

Fwiw, i think your capacity to display reasoned logic and common sense, combined with a subtle lean towards even occasional objectivity, completely disqualify you from ever making it at RAWK!

On a serious note, excellent post earlier by the way, summed it up very nicely. Although i do feel that Anderson does need an extended run of games to properly get up to speed. He may not have done that well against norwich, but there are times this season when he has played really well, and still not managed to be involved in the next game. Whether it is always down to fitness or not, i just don't know.

But at the start of last season i believe he started 11 of the first 14 games, and had probably his best run of form since his very first season, when he also enjoyed an extended run of games. If we further consider the overall level the team played at during that same period, then there is good indication that an in form Anderson is a positive for the team. But i would not seriously argue with anyone who thinks he has had enough time already.

The performance of Kagawa from a deeper position against norwich, doesn't really bode well for Anderson's future in my view. Kagawa carried the ball forward, but the difference was that Kagawa displays a far higher level of composure and intelligence in the final third than Anderson ever has.
Could be the beginning of the end for Ando, if that game is any evidence for what Kagawa can regularly produce now he is settled and fully fit.
 
I had to do a double take and check who was playing alongside Carrick, only later did i realise it was Anderson. I think he did ok, it wasnt all that bad. Im sure that the player also knows when he hasnt had a good game and can do better when the next opportunity arises.
 
kps88 said:
Might have been discussed before, but I find it quite telling that most players name Anderson as the laziest player in training without a moment's hesitation.
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Is this actually true? If so, it's quite ridiculous.
 
Its quite unusual for people to be forthcoming about things like that, usually you would expect diplomatic, positive comments about everyone, not "such-and-such doesnt take training very seriously."

As Cina said it sounds a bit suspect. If it was true it is hard to understand why SAF has persevered with him for so long, youd have thought if he was being half hearted we would have sacked him off ages ago, its not like he is George Best and he makes up for it by delivering every week on the pitch, regardless of off-pitch antics.

Sounds more to me like people taking the piss or some kind of dressing room in-joke.
 
Cina said:
Is this actually true? If so, it's quite ridiculous.
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Rooney, Evans and Cleverly were asked a question 'who's the laziest trainer at the club' at a recent enough DHL interview. Evans pipes up 'I think we'd all agree it's Ando' and he then looks across at the other two who agree, he then goes as far as to say 'it doesn't matter, as Anderson will never see this video'.

I get the feeling that some of the players aren't happy with him.
 
Shark22 said:
Rooney, Evans and Cleverly were asked a question 'who's the laziest trainer at the club' at a recent enough DHL interview. Evans pipes up 'I think we'd all agree it's Ando' he then looks across at the other two who agree, he then goes as far as to say it doesn't matter as Anderson will never see this video.

I get the feeling that some of the players aren't happy with him.
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Unless I see the video, I find that hard to believe. If I were Ferguson and I heard players speak about other players like that, I would take a serious chat with them. Such comments can do little good for the squad.

I get the feeling that he is very well liked - from watching Rio's video diary and from interviews.
 
Rossa said:
Unless I see the video, I find that hard to believe. If I were Ferguson and I heard players speak about other players like that, I would take a serious chat with them. Such comments can do little good for the squad.

I get the feeling that he is very well liked - from watching Rio's video diary and from interviews.
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Around the 3.06 mark.

 
Rossa said:
I didn't watch the game - was he atrocious or average?
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Certainly wasn't atrocious, he was just average. The kind of game many players have most weeks but Anderson really does need so much more than that if he's gonna force his way into the first 11 for squeaky bum time.
 
Rossa said:
I didn't watch the game - was he atrocious or average?
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Average, but as per usual on the relatively rare occasions he isn't impressive people go massively overboard with the criticism. Cause he's fat, innit.
 
Adebesi said:
Its not my fault my posts are shit. I dont have time to come on here every day and when you come on infrequently it is hard to build momentum or rapport with other posters. I comfort eat when people criticise my comments and have to log out after 60 or 70 minutes of posting because my fingers get sore.

I have a really high ceiling as a poster. But the chances of my fulfilling my potential are, I fear, minimal. Sell me to RAWK.
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:lol:
 
He is lovely and round, but I think he should be gone in the summer. It's been too many years waiting for him to put a really good season in.

He could easily go on to do really well elsewhere. Very talented player.
 
I'm not sure we'll sell him yet, I'd liken him to Young as a squad player, he wouldn't be on the highest wages at United and he'll play thirty something games a season.
 
Unless he actually wants to leave what's the point in selling him, we'd be depriving ourselves of someone who is, at the very least, a very good squad player.

This season he's been available most of the time (in 31 out of 41 matchday squads) and I doubt his wages are particularly enormous. Maybe he'll never be quite the player he could be, but selling him would just mean having to replace him.
 
Chabon said:
Unless he actually wants to leave what's the point in selling him, we'd be depriving ourselves of someone who is, at the very least, a very good squad player.

This season he's been available most of the time (in 31 out of 41 matchday squads) and I doubt his wages are particularly enormous. Maybe he'll never be quite the player he could be, but selling him would just mean having to replace him.
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:confused: But that's the whole point. He's taking up a place for other potentially better midfielder.
 
I don't think there's a real need to sell Ando unless he starts complaining about game time. Right now he's a useful squad player who can be relied on to give a decent performance and is capable of brilliant/poor games.

With Scholes likely retiring again and Fletcher sadly not really someone we can build plans in mind with, I think there's easily space to keep Ando and add another midfielder.
 
Ash_G said:
I don't think there's a real need to sell Ando unless he starts complaining about game time. Right now he's a useful squad player who can be relied on to give a decent performance and is capable of brilliant/poor games.

With Scholes likely retiring again and Fletcher sadly not really someone we can build plans in mind with, I think there's easily space to keep Ando and add another midfielder.
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Ash (and others) have got it right. Ando has established himself as a useful squad player and there's really no reason to sell him (at what...2 or 3m?) unless he sees bigger things for himself elsewhere. That's a distinct possibility but there's no evidence that I'm aware of that Ando is a particularly ambitious professional athlete. As long as he's happy to come off the bench here and there against the likes of Norwich, he's worth keeping.
 
Agree that theres no point selling him. Hes a good enough player and its nice to have squad depth. One long term injury to any of our regular midfielders (fingers crossed that doesnt happen :nervous: ) and he would have to step it up big time. And if we get rid, who are we going to bring in that will be an instant replacement?
 
Isotope said:
:confused: But that's the whole point. He's taking up a place for other potentially better midfielder.
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Come this summer we'll have already lost Pogba, Gibson, Scholes and probably Fletcher in the space of 18 months. In that context how, exactly, is Anderson 'taking up a place'? It's like the people clamouring to sell Young. If he doesn't want to leave then why weaken our squad, we're not even close to filling the 25 next year as things stand.
 
Shark22 said:
Around the 3.06 mark.

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Rooney also says that RVP is "not the brightest", and that Phil Jones' dress sense is "shocking":wenger:
I guess these guys are close enough as a group to tell each other shite like this.
 
Chabon said:
Average, but as per usual on the relatively rare occasions he isn't impressive people go massively overboard with the criticism. Cause he's fat, innit.
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When you combine his average minus performances and his injuries, in how many matches a season does he really do well? I haven't got a problem with average performances, they all have them. But in a way, you have to earn the right to have them, by doing well for long periods.

It's the same old situation, really. We're hopeful he'll become the player we want, but haven't a bloody clue if he will.
 
We'll have to lower our expectations and see him as a squad player going forward. We are not particularly bursting out of our seams in the midfield and need Anderson now more than ever. Scholes most likely will be done and Fletch is a question mark, that leaves us with only Carrick and Cleverley. Even if we buy another midfielder, it would be ideal to have four in the squad with the number of games we play and to cover for injuries.

He is quite handy in cup games and against teams that give him space. I have accepted that and am not holding my breath for him to become world class.
 
Timdbro said:
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Rooney also says that RVP is "not the brightest", and that Phil Jones' dress sense is "shocking":wenger:
I guess these guys are close enough as a group to tell each other shite like this.
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Yeah he was having a laugh while he was saying it, it wasn't a dig at either of them.
 
Amir said:
When you combine his average minus performances and his injuries, in how many matches a season does he really do well?.
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Over the last two seasons he's had far, far more good or great performances than average bad.
 
Adebesi said:
Its not my fault my posts are shit. I dont have time to come on here every day and when you come on infrequently it is hard to build momentum or rapport with other posters. I comfort eat when people criticise my comments and have to log out after 60 or 70 minutes of posting because my fingers get sore.

I have a really high ceiling as a poster. But the chances of my fulfilling my potential are, I fear, minimal. Sell me to RAWK.
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There are some very promising posters in the Newbs but they won't be ready for a year or two. Unless a top poster joins over the summer, I believe we'll keep you in the hope you'll come good.

No chance of letting you join Rawk though. Prepare yourself for an e-transfer to Spain or Germany. Rumours on Twitter that the Atletico Madrid forum are preparing a bid.
 
Timdbro said:
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Rooney also says that RVP is "not the brightest", and that Phil Jones' dress sense is "shocking":wenger:
I guess these guys are close enough as a group to tell each other shite like this.
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The only people i'm comfortable slagging off are my best mates. Just saying.
 
Chabon said:
Come this summer we'll have already lost Pogba, Gibson, Scholes and probably Fletcher in the space of 18 months. In that context how, exactly, is Anderson 'taking up a place'? It's like the people clamouring to sell Young. If he doesn't want to leave then why weaken our squad, we're not even close to filling the 25 next year as things stand.
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Well, for one we lost Pogba because he couldn't get game time that Anderson use last seson. So next season because Anderson is 'here anyway', he's gonna use up one position that if he won't be here, we'll be forced to get a new midfielder (with potential to become better).

Good squad players are capable of putting up shift, and be available all year long. Not a sick note that may or may not be available when needed, and may or may not turn up his game when being picked.

Just look at our '99 team. Our squad players in central midfield were Phil Neville and Nicky Butt. They are what I call a proper squad players: decent in quality, tactically astute, and keep in good shape all year long; so every time they're called, they can give 100% the whole 90+ minutes.
 
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