We have to get him on the ball where he can effect the game with his creativity and vision. Asking him to run up and down the left wing is not what he wants to be doing.
Shinji Kagawa
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He was one of our better players...now, that says a lot more about the team performance, but in perspective a bizarre bump.
The issue was Cleverley. The midfield was dead because of him and SAF seemed totally blind to that obvious fact.
Yeah, Cleverely was really poor today but i guess SAF doesn't trust Ando enough. No real other options for midfield.
Needs to work on imposing himself on games more. Has to build his upper body strength and ability to hold off players as well. But I think he'll be better next season.
I thought he was the best player on the pitch by a distance for us.
This is.
He was brilliant for a very good Dortmund side and has been decent in his first (injury plagued) season with us. The guy is obviously very talented, has great control and skill, can pass and score and has an awesome name. He has been eased into the side, winning the title in his first year while also becoming the first Asian player to score a hattrick in the premier league.
Good to see we aren't getting ahead of ourselves.
Wanna bet?
I haven't written him off. If you actually read what I said earlier you'd see me say that he has he potential to be a very good player but I don't see why we signed him. He's not a winger and we have much better options through the middle.
You're right. They were also shit but they also have a role to play in the squad that isn't already filled by better players in that position. The commercial comment could've been better written. I don't think Alex Ferguson would sign a player because of where he's from but I do think the club are keen Tobago good players from Asia and could see us going for a player from that region above a player from Europe with similar ability. That's good business and Utd are a business.
I'm not saying he's not a good player or that he can't have a bi enough future at Utd but I don't see it panning out unless he can find a position where he benefits the team. If Rooney were to go then his signing would make more sense. At the minute he seems unnecessary to me.
Quite easily.
I thought he was invisible 2nd half
Personally, I think we rushed into a signing, after missing out on Hazard. Looks a good player with potential but not the finished article (in terms of what we currently need).
Signing RvP is what did this though, it has been worth it obviously as RvP was too good to pass up but before that I was extremely excited to see Kagawa behind Rooney on a consistent basis.
Did he create a single chance?
We wanted Hazard irrespective of signing him as our pursuit of Lucas Moura later showed too.
Both different kinds of players.
to be fair I thought most the team was as well....bar a very few
Possibly. It's something I've said before when discussing Kagawa with people that I think he was signed without the knowledge that we would be signing another forward. It still seems like an unnecessary signing at this point though. He's loved on this forum though so to suggest he's not playing well is a heinous crime.
He's the sort of player who needs the team to be playing well to have an influence. If the midfield isn't finding him in the final third, he's forced to come deep and play simple passes. He always looks dangerous near the box.
His role is filled by whom? Rooney? Kagawa can play both through the middle and cutting in from the left. He's admittedly better through the middle but he's good cutting in too. We are overstocked with attacking options but all of them are class. Kagawa offers us something different from Rooney anyways. they are different players. at the price we were getting him from, it made total sense to get him.
Its his first season in a league where he's admitted to finding it tough physically and has said that he's putting in work at the gym to set it right. SAF too has come out and said exactly the same and has said that we'l only see his worth next season.
But no, lets overlook all that and say he's shit and pointless after a game in which the entire team bar 3-4 players were shit and just a week after he scored a hattrick and was fantastic,
christ..
I'm sure he did, I remember that layed ball for Cleverley for example, but even if he didn't, creating chances in game like today's when our other player can't keep possesion for two seconds isn't all that matters.
We had 56% of the ball in the first half.
Cevno, I was talking about the second half.
I never said he was a shit player.
What made him our best attacking player by a mile?
For start, he hasn't looked like sunday league player with his first touch.
The pitch didn't help him, but he still impressed me.There was a notable difference in the way he takes the ball in congested areas and how Rooney did for a start.
Default.
His first touch puts Rooney to shame it really does.
Cheech and Nani were better for once.
Nani was more involved, but he hasn't played his best half tbf, and Chicharito was substituted very early.
Just playing would be a start. From around 25 minutes to 70 minutes we barely got around to Chelsea's box. That's where he'll do the damage, but he can't do that if we don't get there.
Has some really nice touches in the first, especially the one before he passed to evra when he crossed it to Rooney before Luiz almost got an own goal. Great player on the ball, but I feel like he needs to do much more off the ball. Useless to play when we're defending as well.
Two other attackers actually contributed to the scoreline.
Well, maybe if he took a simple curler free kick he would have scored as well. Getting a goal doesn't always mean you had a better game than someone else.
He can play on the wing in international football because it's played at a much slower pace; in the Premier League, he offers us nothing on left because players on the wing here need to be more direct at beating the man.
Play him through the middle or bench him. We don't need to have all our attacking players on the pitch at the same time.
Play him through the middle or bench him. We don't need to have all our attacking players on the pitch at the same time.
Maybe he would but he didn't. No it doesn't but when you combine it with not creating chances and not offering even basic defensive support it becomes difficult to argue he was our best attacking player by a mile.
Kagawa is very effective off the Ball. He was one of the best or maybe even the best pressing player in Dortmund's team last year.
This is a Diagram from Ajax : Dortmund this year (without Kagawa of course) but Kagawa did and still does pretty much the exact same thing Lewandowski does here. If you don't pay attention to detail you'll probably just see Lewandowski (or Kagawa) run at the ball carrying defender without a chance of winning possession. But if you take a look at how he does it you can see that due to the angle he chose he not only pressures Alderweireled to play a quick uncomfortable pass but he also covers Eriksen, Enoh and Poulsen with his "shadow". Thus making a simple run highly effective. And that's Kagawa's defensive strength: because he can read situations so well he pretty much always finds a good angle.
In this situation Alderweireled tries to play a long ball to Blind because he sees no other option, Piszczek intercepts it and Reus and Götze use the space behind Blind to attack (and score). Which underlines the efficiency of this Role (here Lewandowski, but I'm sure Kagawa would've made an identical run).
I think we have misused Kagawa way too often this season.
I am hoping this is just a "settling-in" season for him and we use him much better next season.
That said, I can completely understand why. Welbeck and Rooney are both great in that role too.
I am hoping this is just a "settling-in" season for him and we use him much better next season.
That said, I can completely understand why. Welbeck and Rooney are both great in that role too.
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