Well I didn't say we aren't giving him time. You just read too much into it.
Regardless, Plenty is not enough.
Sphaero covered this. Pacing is the least of his problems, regardless of league.
Shinji Kagawa
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Well I didn't say we aren't giving him time. You just read too much into it.
Regardless, Plenty is not enough.
Sphaero covered this. Pacing is the least of his problems, regardless of league.
Well he's put Valencia's reputation earned over his past three seasons with us ahead of his own eyes this season.
My point was that it's not 'bizarre' at all that a lot of United fans would want to see Kagawa in the team more often than not, as he's a player that has the ability to offer something that United fans have been crying out for a long time in the final third.
Indeed and it's a shame. We have the potential to mix it up a little but we very rarely do.
We do play with width. Always have.
Gross over-simplification to imply we don't mix it up and play through the middle too. Especially in a thread about Kagawa. Can nobody remember how he scored his hat-trick?
We wouldn't be anything like as succesful as we've been if we were really as one-dimensional as you lot imply.
Gross over-simplification to imply we don't mix it up and play through the middle too. Especially in a thread about Kagawa. Can nobody remember how he scored his hat-trick?
We wouldn't be anything like as succesful as we've been if we were really as one-dimensional as you lot imply.
I thought he was good today, his touch and vision are excellent.
His linking up with Rooney was sexual at times, they're clearly on the same wavelength.
Good performance from him today. Passing and movement were great as usual, but I think there is definately room for improvement once his confidence picks up.
I thought he was decent and showed he looked a bit more up to the physical aspect of the game, but think unless we're really dominating his performance is always going to fluctuate a little there, I just think he ends up too far back, when he's most dangerous at the edge of the box. But then that said I think if we were getting more from the other flank it wouldn't be such an issue.
Had a good game, was surprisingly good defensively and pulled off some imaginative moves. He looked the best player on the pitch at times.
A couple of brilliant passes to Evra. Overall was impressed with his performance. Survived another 90 minutes as well.
Good performance, can't expect much more from him while he's on the left.
We really need to be getting this lad in the team as often as possible, he's a class act. So beautifully comfortable in possesion. Really hope he features more next season, and cements his place in the team. There's potential for some fantastic one touch football there.
Is not a winger and never will be.
I would still like him to play in his preferred position. Not sure if anyone picked up on this but he's starting to play more like Silva and Mata do. What I mean by that is that he's doing a better job of reading the opponent and adjusting his play accordingly. in the first half alone, there were numerous times where he was going to be closed down but then he would shift the ball and his body away from the defender and pass the ball off.
This is something both Mata and Silva do often. Playing off the defender I call it. It's a very annoying tactic for a defender because you can never really get too close to the player without fouling. I think this is a good sign for Kagawa because he's realising how he's having to play in this league where there's more physical contact.
He was more involved today but he needs to be a bit higher up with runners around him. That ball to Evra was a perfect example. Perhaps, the coaching staff are starting to realise what makes Kagawa thrive. If you keep giving him options(runners off the ball), he will eventually find areas where he can hurt the opposition. He is always looking.
This is something both Mata and Silva do often. Playing off the defender I call it. It's a very annoying tactic for a defender because you can never really get too close to the player without fouling. I think this is a good sign for Kagawa because he's realising how he's having to play in this league where there's more physical contact.
He was more involved today but he needs to be a bit higher up with runners around him. That ball to Evra was a perfect example. Perhaps, the coaching staff are starting to realise what makes Kagawa thrive. If you keep giving him options(runners off the ball), he will eventually find areas where he can hurt the opposition. He is always looking.
Yeah agreed, but it's just so hard to fit everyone into their best positions. We have so many players who are better centrally.
Rooney dropping back would let him play off Van Persie though..
Well yes ash, he's the ultimate team player. Which is why I think he should play more advanced and get more touches on the ball. His energy should be more focused on enhancing our attack. He can do a job on the wing but it's not where he's most effective. Especially with the way we want our wingers to play. He is no winger. Modern winger at best. It's why we will never see the best of him on the wing. Not in this setup.
Maybe after we have won the title, we should give Kagawa a game in central midfield just to see how he does.
Did what Ashley Young and Valencia get berated for. Cut inside a lot and kept possession simple.
I have the distinct feeling that Ferguson signed Kagawa to play off Rooney and that he never expected to sign van Persie. Then when he did manage to pull that off, he suddenly had to re-jig his thinking. If we signed Shinji on his Dortmund performances, he was excellent playing off the front man. I don't think we ever envisaged playing him on the wing but the signing of van Persie changed all that.
So comfortable on the ball, unlike any player in the squad bar Scholes & perhaps Nani. In a few seasons, he may well be our very best player, having made the #10 spot his own. What really stood out today, though, is how able he is when coping with larger players. Like Messi and a few others of that sort, he shields the ball so well & seems to have a lot of natural strength, in addition to his tenacity and fight - this means he at least draws a foul if not strong enough to stay up. Excellent buy.
was nice and tidy today without doing anything outstanding or game changing
for me he needs more of a free role - he seems a bit wasted out wide
for me he needs more of a free role - he seems a bit wasted out wide
physically he looked so much more dynamic today, next season he's going to have a belter injuries permitting.
Looks like he is beginning to adjust to the pace and physicality of the prem. An away trip to stoke will always be a help. Came through this one quite well and will only get better.
He's so much more comfortable on the ball than either of them and a much smarter player as well. He's not a winger so he's never going to be sending balls in to the box. His link up play is very good and he rarely gives it away. He had some good moments with Evra and Rooney today, he needs his teammates to make runs for him to thrive.
I really don't see how you could compare today's performance to a typical Young or Valencia performance.
There's always someone who comes along and says something retarded like this.
Well you could maybe have an argument with Young, though Kagawa showed much more ambition to take someone on or try an ambitious ball than Young typically does but not with Valencia. Valencia may inevitably play a simple ball but that's usually after a couple of seconds faffing around trying to get on his right, where he usually completely kills any momentum we have. Plus Valencia is presumably not in the team to come inside, where as Kagawa and Young naturally would look to cut inside.
Haha shark, acnumber9 has something out for kagawa. Not sure what it is but it just makes me laugh. You should have seen him in the matchday thread.
True.
Spot on mate. Noticed the same today.
They really do work well together. This game showed us that it doesn't really matter where Rooney plays, as long as Kagawa is close. Dynamic combo, to say the least. Dream front 6 next season:
---- Carrick - Rooney ----
Götze - Kagawa - Welbeck
---------- RVP -----------
Make it happen
I like him and think he'll eventually be a big player for us. Doesn't impose himself as much as he should at the moment though.
Was nice and tidy on the ball today but didn't really effect the game much at either end.
No thanks.
Was nice and tidy on the ball today but didn't really effect the game much at either end.
No thanks.
It's simple. I judge the player on how they play, not the name on the shirt and pre conceived notions of them as players. He created nothing but did quite well in helping us maintain possession yet you see people here saying he was too good to play and he's an excellent player. He stepped off the pitch today having created nothing yet if the other two did the same the stick they get would fill pages.
Hell no!! Complete and utter waste, seeing as his defensive abilities are mediocre at best. He's good at keeping possesion, but we already have Carrick for that.
In CM, we need mobility, drive and passion. Rooney is therefore a way better choice than Kagawa. Kagawa might be more secure on the ball and quicker to find a solution, which of course are important skills for CMs. But Rooney is superior in most other CM-aspects.
They really do work well together. This game showed us that it doesn't really matter where Rooney plays, as long as Kagawa is close. Dynamic combo, to say the least. Dream front 6 next season:
---- Carrick - Rooney ----
Götze - Kagawa - Welbeck
---------- RVP -----------
Make it happen
I had doubts about him at first because he was never gonna settle in the PL etc etc ... I really was a bit too harsh on him in the first few months, I don't know why but he has become a favorite of mine.
He has great technique, an aspect of his game pundits don't mention enough in my opinion.
In time they will. You have to score goals or run around like a headless chicken to get immediately noticed over here K.
Yeah, the PL prefers to promote an outdated and caveman style of football.It's all highlighted by the replays, you see a player making a brilliant control, dribble or general piece of skill and it seldoms gets a replay of its own.However it's elbows on faces or stupid lunges the TVs love that shit.
So the pass to Evra was creating nothing? He definitely was more adventurous than either Young or Valencia. Plus it's not his favored position. So you're judging a player who is playing out position compared to actual wingers. Suit yourself mate. We all see things differently. For me, Kagawa's game is more subtle so it's more than what he does but how he does it.
I think your opinion is definitely fair. It just makes me laugh because I imagine you say it with such venom.
It was a great pass but it wasn't exactly a chance was it? I judge him on how he plays in games. He's been little more than tidy and occasionally good in what is supposed to be his position.
I don't.
Fergie told MUTV he thought Kagawa was fantastic.
He was decent to good.
But there was a ball Cheech played cutting in to put RVP through second half. That's the sort of thing Cazorla's, Mata's do each match and what i would like Kagawa do more.
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