Man United appoint Moyes | Round, Woods, Lumsden, P Neville in; Giggs player/coach; Albert stays

Remember, he had his heart set on that United job! Honest!

In fairness, that's just paper conjecture.

How do you explain Mourinho's anomalous behaviour over the course of the United-Real Champions League tie? He was gagging to make a good impression. Why else would he have suddenly gone on a charm offensive?

Fact is, Sir Bobby was on record months ago saying he didn't like all of Mourinho's baggage - I'd say it's massively likely that, as the club stated, Moyes was our first choice.

It's all an irrelevance now anyway. I can only speak for myself, but I was never convinced that Mourinho was the right man for us and I'm delighted about our Moyes appointment.

I've read your comments about Moyes earlier in the thread - namely that he's a boring and unsexy appointment - and I must say, it sums your club up. Mourinho is perfect for you - enjoy him.
 
So both Fergie and Mourinho knew that Jose's intention was to join Chelsea but, many were upset we didn't get him instead of Moyes? I did read a couple times posters ask the question - how do we know Mourinho even wanted to come here? Well seems like right now that wasn't in his plans anyway.

Makes the Moyes appointment even more well thought out.
 
So both Fergie and Mourinho knew that Jose's intention was to join Chelsea but, many were upset we didn't get him instead of Moyes? I did read a couple times posters ask the question - how do we know Mourinho even wanted to come here? Well seems like right now that wasn't in his plans anyway.

Makes the Moyes appointment even more well thought out.

I ask the question again: what reason for Mourinho's ridiculous charm offensive if he wanted Chelsea all along?
 
I'm sure, given the choice, Mou would've chosen United over Chelsea. At Chelsea, he'll still work under Abramovic. The trend of sacking managers and forcing to buy players doesn't change much since he left, so their history is more likely to happen again.

But he can hardly say anything else, when being asked about United. Knowing their close relationship, Mou most likely was told by Fergie that Moyes is his man before. So he has time to choose other club.

I also got the feeling that Pep was Fergie's first choice (or at least, another option), when Fergie bothered to go to New York to meet him. He just ticked all the boxes: integrity, young, winner, experience, innovative, using youth. But I think the lure of Bayern is stronger, and much less competition/stressful than managing United in Premier League.
 
I ask the question again: what reason for Mourinho's ridiculous charm offensive if he wanted Chelsea all along?

Lots of respect and admiration for Fergie as a manager and person? It's not like any of his "charm offensive" was over directed at the club(correct me if I'm wrong), more at Fergie.
 
I have been a United fan for 50 years and can't remember being as disappointed. I feel that we are making the same mistakes we made after Busby retired.. Moyes is out of his depth and I suspect under Moyes we will become like Arsenal, aiming to finish third or fourth and having a decent domestic cup run.

However, the deeds done and Moyes is now United's manager. He deserves our support and I welcome him to the club. United aren't Liverpool or Chelsea hounding out managers they don't like, so I suspect he will get our full support.

Hopefully I am wrong and Moyes will be a success at United.

My worst fears mate :eek: He has my full support though
 
Lots of respect and admiration for Fergie as a manager and person? It's not like any of his "charm offensive" was over directed at the club(correct me if I'm wrong), more at Fergie.

I think he miscalculated. He assumed if he's on Fergie's good side he'll get recommended or whatever. He didn't bank on the fact that he'd need to respect the club, and thats been his problem, its always about him rather than a "we" kind of thing that most other managers do
 
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I bet its quotes from United's facebook page.

"Death to Mosey!"
 
The fact that he was Sir Alex' choice should be enough. Poor form to challenge his final decision at the club.

Yes. Especially when people have always challenged/discussed his decisions. You can support a decision without fully agreeing with it mate.
 
I'm almost certain I watched an MUTV interview with Mourinho from just before the Madrid game where he said he wasn't really interested and intimated pretty clearly that it wasn't a natural fit anyway. A lot of the "we snubbed him/he snubbed us" shit is complete conjecture. Either from people desperate to think his main goal in life was to come here, or those desperate to think we're "better/above" him. Both are probably bollocks. Last week everyone was certain he'd go to Chelsea, so why this would send him into a panic I don't know. If he truly is desperate to come here he wouldn't have expected it to be right now anyway. Or perhaps, considering he's so close to SAF, and the Moyes thing has evidently been planned for yonks anyway, he knew, hence why he nonchalantly shrugged it off in that interview.

People's conjecture is merely projecting, influenced by their opinions of him. It's entirely possible his constant reverence to SAF is just that. Respect for someone he sees as an iconic figure in his profession.

As for Moyes, I've come round to the idea a lot. I respect that it's the "proper" thing to do. There's so much fuss made of how hard it is for British managers to break into the elite, and this shows a due respect for hard work and longevity and giving a chance to potential rather than the same crop of obvious heavyweights or flavours of the month. The only qualm I had with the initial announcement was this idea that Moyes & SAF were "cut from the same cloth" which also fit in with the same idea that Mourinho wasn't "our class" or whatever.

When Fergie first came here, his closest paralels were not other angry scots, but the likes of Jose or (hush it in whispered tones) Benitez when they first came here. Miraculously successful with 'lesser' teams, hired because they were winners but unknown quantities on these shores. I find the whole Mourinho/class debate tedious, because to most opposition fans Fergie is just as arrogant as Jose (how d'you think Liverpool fans see the famous "perch" comment?...Humble and classy?)

But as it is, whatever happens, it's interesting, and a good thing for British football (which has become wildly out of step with the other top leagues in how the big teams pick managers) to show that "doing your time" so to speak, can earn you the right to step up. As business equivalents go it's closer to promoting from within than hiring a swanky new manager from a rival firm. And that's good.

He deserves 2 years of fan patience at the very least. And if it goes tits up, then welcome to the world of pretty much every other football fan on the planet. I've never had much truck with the idea that our fans are inherently more or less classy than any other. And this will be the test of it.

Yep. Good post, entirely agree.
 
I'm almost certain I watched an MUTV interview with Mourinho from just before the Madrid game where he said he wasn't really interested and intimated pretty clearly that it wasn't a natural fit anyway. A lot of the "we snubbed him/he snubbed us" shit is complete conjecture. Either from people desperate to think his main goal in life was to come here, or those desperate to think we're "better/above" him. Both are probably bollocks. Last week everyone was certain he'd go to Chelsea, so why this would send him into a panic I don't know. If he truly is desperate to come here he wouldn't have expected it to be right now anyway. Or perhaps, considering he's so close to SAF, and the Moyes thing has evidently been planned for yonks anyway, he knew, hence why he nonchalantly shrugged it off in that interview.

People's conjecture is merely projecting, influenced by their opinions of him. It's entirely possible his constant reverence to SAF is just that. Respect for someone he sees as an iconic figure in his profession.

As for Moyes, I've come round to the idea a lot. I respect that it's the "proper" thing to do. There's so much fuss made of how hard it is for British managers to break into the elite, and this shows a due respect for hard work and longevity and giving a chance to potential rather than the same crop of obvious heavyweights or flavours of the month. The only qualm I had with the initial announcement was this idea that Moyes & SAF were "cut from the same cloth" which also fit in with the same idea that Mourinho wasn't "our class" or whatever.

When Fergie first came here, his closest paralels were not other angry scots, but the likes of Jose or (hush it in whispered tones) Benitez when they first came here. Miraculously successful with 'lesser' teams, hired because they were winners but unknown quantities on these shores. I find the whole Mourinho/class debate tedious, because to most opposition fans Fergie is just as arrogant as Jose (how d'you think Liverpool fans see the famous "perch" comment?...Humble and classy?)

But as it is, whatever happens, it's interesting, and a good thing for British football (which has become wildly out of step with the other top leagues in how the big teams pick managers) to show that "doing your time" so to speak, can earn you the right to step up. As business equivalents go it's closer to promoting from within than hiring a swanky new manager from a rival firm. And that's good.

He deserves 2 years of fan patience at the very least. And if it goes tits up, then welcome to the world of pretty much every other football fan on the planet. I've never had much truck with the idea that our fans are inherently more or less classy than any other. And this will be the test of it.
Man, you nailed it. The bolded bit is particularly true, and shows how spoiled we've been.

Worse case scenario: Moyes doesn't work out; we hire someone else and see what happens. It'll hardly be the death of the club.
 
It will go tits up and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, 'I told you so' will ring to the rafters and there will be blood on the floor.

We can take comfort from the fact that Arsenal fans are living proof that eventually you just acclimatise to achieving feck all year in year out.
 
It's nice that the things that you look forward to - United crashing into ruin, Arsenal winning anything other than the Emirates cup - are always in the future, never the present. Really gives you something to cling on to, eh?
 
It will go tits up and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, 'I told you so' will ring to the rafters and there will be blood on the floor.

As an old school dinosaur that remembers the boring boring Arsenal of old, and - as every arsenal fan - proud of the reputation your club has built as a well run institution in the mire of Chelseas and Cities. When Wenger leaves, will you be clamouring for the Jose's, Peps & Klopps of this world, or will you be hoping your board take an educated chance on a respected, unknown upstart with potential to build. Someone who's made his name at lesser clubs, like, say, Monaco and Grampas 8?
 
After all this week's leaks, we finally know who the Mole at Old Trafford is.
 
I'm enjoying the hilarity on offer here, thanks Pete. The only reservations I had about Moyes, which like for many, are wearing off the more one thinks of the appointment, were about him leading us in Europe as a major force. I think he can and I think he will. The appointment of an assistant will be important too of course.

But when it comes to the league I think he'll do very well. He inherits a team of champions and it's super likely we'll strengthen the squad as opposed to anything else given we've lost our most important asset of the last 20+ years.

We'll still be better than Arsenal, by some distance. And Spurs unless they go on a 100m spending spree. It'll be a 3 horse race if Chelsea get Mourinho, and I don't see a clear favorite.
 
I ask the question again: what reason for Mourinho's ridiculous charm offensive if he wanted Chelsea all along?

Charm offensive? He'd just come up on top due to a dubious refereeing decision against a person he considers a dear friend and highly respects.

I can understand that many took his comments as solely as a means to an end to try secure the managerial position at United but, unless he was omniscient and knew for sure Fergie was retiring at the end of the season - and it seems like extremely few (probably count on 1 hand with a couple fingers cut off that knew) - Mouriho probably was already working on getting back to Chelsea at that time. Considering all that was going on with Madrid and the players, pretty much everyone knew he was on his way out of there and mostly likely Chelsea.

Maybe it was his way at some way down the road to make sure he kept the door open to a possible job at United but, it wasn't to be for next season - for that he's already had Chelsea lined up.
 
Well there is a part of Sir Alex embedded in every United player and once you have been through his system it's almost impossible to fail. Even though Sir Alex won't be physically present his influence will live on for many more years to come in every single United player. Moyes should be grateful and honored to inherit such a club.
 
I'm really coming around to this appointment. Next season will be fascinating to see how he deals with certain situations. I think he's strong enough to handle the pressure. It's just his tactics and the on-pitch decisions that I'm worried about. Off the pitch, he'll handle the enormity of it and keeps our values etc.
 
I've thought about it a bit and this is what I reckon I'd be happy with next season:

82+ points in the league
Knocked out in the CL by one of Barca, Real, Munich, Dortmund, PSG or Juve (but no-one lesser)

I have no expectations of scintillating football at this point, but hopefully that will come.
 
As an old school dinosaur that remembers the boring boring Arsenal of old, and - as every arsenal fan - proud of the reputation your club has built as a well run institution in the mire of Chelseas and Cities. When Wenger leaves, will you be clamouring for the Jose's, Peps & Klopps of this world, or will you be hoping your board take an educated chance on a respected, unknown upstart with potential to build. Someone who's made his name at lesser clubs, like, say, Monaco and Grampas 8?
I wouldn't want Moyes - even Spurs didn't.
 
Pete being a moron again.