Hope I'm proved wrong, but I'm not sure there's going to be a straight forward route for Nani back into the team. Maybe it's just early season fitness, but so far Moyes seems about as desperate to play either of them as Fergie was. Is Nani even actually injured still?
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Hope I'm proved wrong, but I'm not sure there's going to be a straight forward route for Nani back into the team. Maybe it's just early season fitness, but so far Moyes seems about as desperate to play either of them as Fergie was. Is Nani even actually injured still?
He's supposed to have a groin pelvis injury, why do you think that though? Moyes hasnt even had the choice of playing Nani in kind of game so far.http://www.physioroom.com/injuries/groin_and_pelvis/index.php
So many people getting their knickers in a twist over this guy.
He is obviously not match fit at the moment. When he is, he'll get his chance. We are two games into the season so stop panicking!
Also this whole Kagawa is better than Rooney rubbish is getting embarrassing now. Kagawa has a long long long way to go before he can be mentioned alongside Rooney. A couple of good seasons at Dortmund is not going to convince me otherwise.
He is obviously not match fit at the moment. When he is, he'll get his chance. We are two games into the season so stop panicking!
Also this whole Kagawa is better than Rooney rubbish is getting embarrassing now. Kagawa has a long long long way to go before he can be mentioned alongside Rooney. A couple of good seasons at Dortmund is not going to convince me otherwise.
We need him badly in the team. We lacked that killer pass today and he certainly can provide them.
Well based on today he will have to play on the right wing since Rooney and Welbeck don't really deserve to be dropped.
Well that's what I mean, there was just some vague talk of a knock about 4 weeks ago, and other than that all we hear about him in the media is who we're going to sell him to. Obviously it's largely bollocks, but it's not like Moyes is coming out and denying it like he is with Rooney.
Yeah I see what you mean, only one week left to find out.
You don't actually know that, i mean prior to the Chelea match had what, a mere 20 minutes of PL football over him. And Young played straight after a couple of weeks out with injury.
Kagawa's been on the bench two games running, he can't be in that bad condition.
The idea that Kagawa can be a more technically proficient No than Rooney is not far-fetched.
More than technical proficiency will be needed from him to nail that spot.
I presume that he's basically at a "pre-season" fitness level, and is working his way up to full match fitness. But to have him on the bench but not use him in a situation like this evening seems odd to me. Anybody who is on the bench is fit enough to play 20 minutes.
Did Moues say that we lacked a killer pass in his post-match interview?
That would only make the lack of Kagawa in the second half even more silly.
That would only make the lack of Kagawa in the second half even more silly.
I don't think the game was there for Kagawa to come on to be honest, unless he was taken off van Persie... Welbeck and Valencia were working back so hard, although Kagawa presses high it's not in his game to track back...
Come back to us when Rooney isn't trying to climb up Mourinho's hole. We'll judge it again in two months.
Either Moyes doesn't know how to play him or he doesn't quite fit into his plans. Which is real shame, given the quality the lad has. It's frustrating to see us struggle to create chances, and have to watch him sit 90 minutes on the bench....
It's a long season, and I certainly hope Moyes has a plan to bring the best out of Kagawa and Hernandez. Instead of Young for Valencia, I thought it would have been better to shift Rooney to the right and put Kagawa in the hole behind Robin to play the killer pass. And btw, is Hernandez injured ? Didn't make the bench.
How can you come to that conclusion after two games?
Now we can't know what Moyes motivations were precisely when he made his subs, however going by what we know of Kagawa and his being on the bench for two weeks running, a 20-30 minute cameo where he helped provide such a killer pass should have been within the scope of his current level of fitness.
Depending on how he is used the successful acquisition of Fellaini could make Kagawa's psoition even more uncertain.
People were justifiably optimistic when Shinji arrived with both his medals and style of play to recommend him, it is understandable that people worry at the possibility of it being wasted without first giving the lad a fair shot.
If he feels compelled to leave we'll be yet one more creative player where there is already a shortage.
So after two games where he doesn't play after an disrupted pre season and rejoining the team later than everyone else people are jumping to the conclusion that he isn't in moyes plans 
Lets give it time, Kagawa was clearly not ready for the first game of the season and moyes decided he wasn't ready yet to be thrown into a game against one of our major title rivals. Hardly surprising as kagawa is most likely a little bit rusty still. If after another month he still isn't getting game time then we can start jumping up and down, it is just silly to be jumping to conclusions right now.
Lets give it time, Kagawa was clearly not ready for the first game of the season and moyes decided he wasn't ready yet to be thrown into a game against one of our major title rivals. Hardly surprising as kagawa is most likely a little bit rusty still. If after another month he still isn't getting game time then we can start jumping up and down, it is just silly to be jumping to conclusions right now.
Kagawa, Yellow Berba?
it is a long season and we should be talking abt this during Christmas if he is still sitting on the bench then
Playing against Osaka I think easily set him back 2 weeks. It was a mistake for us to have him play that game and then take time off again. He should have stayed close to Europe, taken his time off and then got back to training.
I guess it must have been planned for a while though - because with the fixture list we have to start, it would have made sense to have the best players ready for the start (barring injuries). Heck put him in the U21 games, Evans got one to get him back to speed - if Kagawa is lacking fitness then it needs to be sorted asap. If it's something else - then boggling he isn't getting even 10 minutes at home when we need to score.
I guess it must have been planned for a while though - because with the fixture list we have to start, it would have made sense to have the best players ready for the start (barring injuries). Heck put him in the U21 games, Evans got one to get him back to speed - if Kagawa is lacking fitness then it needs to be sorted asap. If it's something else - then boggling he isn't getting even 10 minutes at home when we need to score.
I'm concerned that Moyes doesn't know what to do with him. If Rooney stays (which looks to be the case now) then Moyes will play him as a number 10. Kagawa isn't a box to box player so alongside Carrick doesn't suit him. He's not really a wide player either but I think he could have come on for Valencia last night and created something but the problem was Phil Jones. Jones is utterly shire at right back, offers nothing going forward and slows down attacks constantly. With Jones we get not width from the fullback so to prevent us getting too narrow on the right we have to play a true winger, not Kagawa. When Rafael is fit again it's possible and I think something like the following could work well...
-------------------DDG
Rafa--------Rio-----Vidic------Evra
--------------Carrick------?
---Kagawa---Rooney---Nani
-----------------RvP
-------------------DDG
Rafa--------Rio-----Vidic------Evra
--------------Carrick------?
---Kagawa---Rooney---Nani
-----------------RvP
Apparently Dortmund fans started a twitter campaign, #freeshinji
If they mean free him off the bench and onto the pitch in a United shirt then I'm all for it...
Something tells me that's not the message they're trying to get across though...
Something tells me that's not the message they're trying to get across though...
We need to start our own campaign
#freeyourentiremidfieldtousplease
#freeyourentiremidfieldtousplease
I don't think we need to be polite about it Brophs.
Good manners cost nothing. And we'll chuck in Bebe at the price and all.
I don't know if the people I follow on twitter are all idiots or if it's United fans in general. So I'll ask: Are there people here annoyed/confused that Kagawa hasn't played our last two games? If so, why?
I am both angry and confused
I'm frustrated because I think he's a very promising player and each time players like him (Nani also) do not play I feel like that, wrongly or rightly I just do.
The utilisation of Kagawa since we've signed him has been nothing short of bizarre.
No wonder Klopp is at home crying every night.
No wonder Klopp is at home crying every night.
I haven't expected him to play against Swansea at all, but I thought yesterday he should have been introduced in last 10-15 minutes.
Moyes probably knows more about his fitness level than we, but I don't see how he couldn't play those last 10 minutes even if he has just returned from his holidays.
We are wasting him to be honest.
Not sure why this mass hysteria around why Shinji hasn't gotten much game-time. We're not doing too shabby, and besides Shinji has a long way to go to convince IMHO. No doubt an intelligent silky player, but let's blood him into 'easier' games rather than chuck him straight into the deep end (and what message does that give out to whoever is dropped for him?).
I'm asking rather than being facetious, so please don't take it the wrong way people.
Did Kagawa actually positively impact a single 'big-game' last year? I genuinely can't remember, he was decent against Madrid at the Bernabau (but nothing special) and apart from that nothing jumps out as having been particularly special, any examples?
Did Kagawa actually positively impact a single 'big-game' last year? I genuinely can't remember, he was decent against Madrid at the Bernabau (but nothing special) and apart from that nothing jumps out as having been particularly special, any examples?
Right, so akash and kouroux, do you not see what Welbeck and Rooney offer the team that Kagawa does not?
Shinji has been the best player in the training ground according to Rio. Last season is enough for me to be convinced he is class. Lets face it, it's not the quality he is lacking if, it's just that his style of play doesnt fit well into our system, which emphasis more on wing play.
He could be very important to this team and all the more so due to the lack of players like him at the club, people are perturbed that he may even not get the chance to prove his worth one or the other. Too much of a waste for all concerned really.
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