Christ, this thread, you'd swear he was Nani with some of these reactions!
Shinji Kagawa
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We have enough experience without Giggs, don't see why people always bring up experience, rio, vidic, evra, RVP, carrick, young, Valencia, Nani all have enough experience to play against anyone in any competition,
I agree, and I don't like the idea of Giggs being an automatic starter in our first XI every week either.
Can anyone shed some light as to why Shinji isn't fit? Did he get a muscular tear over the summer or something? Because if it's simply a conditioning reason, there's something awry there. He is one of the fittest players that we've got and it's now been a month since the players arrived back in the UK. Kagawa's fitness wouldn't have deteriorated that much over the summer that he couldn't get himself conditioned in a month.
Also, the Japan tour reasoning doesn't quite stack up. He did as much flying and travelling as any of the rest of them, and he also sat on the bench a few times over the tour so he wasn't overly exerted there either.
I am all for accepting that the decision to omit him from squads is based on fitness alone, but I'd just like it to be clarified exactly why he isn't fit.
Also, the Japan tour reasoning doesn't quite stack up. He did as much flying and travelling as any of the rest of them, and he also sat on the bench a few times over the tour so he wasn't overly exerted there either.
I am all for accepting that the decision to omit him from squads is based on fitness alone, but I'd just like it to be clarified exactly why he isn't fit.
I think the idea from Moyes for me is to get Giggs in early while hes fresh. Wouldnt be surprised to see him dwindle more to the bench and out of the squad as the season goes on. Add that to him probably wanting there to be a big leader on the pitch and a familiar face what with the biggest change the club has been through
How do you know he's one of the fittest players we've got? He's shown nothing to support that claim.
The Japan tour is a valid reason because he sandwiched that in between his holidays, which is very unusual. He played the Confederations Cup, went on holiday, flew into Japan to play two games, went back on holiday and then rejoined the squad in Manchester. He then played against Seville and put in an absolutely dreadful performance, the worst I've ever seen him play.
Why are people so surprised Moyes isn't using him in what is usually our toughest game of the season?
Moyes has just said Rooney out for a few weeks, welcomes back Young and says nothing about Kagawa.
Wasn't asked about Kagawa...was asked about Rooney and Young.
Kagawa Bleep Test
It's not based solely on today, man. Give it a rest, will you? People have been clamouring for Kagawa to see more action for twelve months now. The fact that he hasn't played once competitively under Moyes is what has people suspicious.
Surprised he isn't even on the bench, would be a good option to have at Anfield when we need to keep possession better in tight areas. It's got to the point already whereby Moyes has had to publically announce that Kagawa will get a chance to "impress" in the next few weeks along with Zaha. He hasn't felt the need to say that about any other players.
To everyone claiming it is because he isn't fit or hasn't had a proper pre-season then I point to Ashley Young starting today. He has been injured with a disrupted pre-season, was also on the bench against Chelsea....but starts today. Must have "impressed" sufficiently in his minutes last Monday.
To everyone claiming it is because he isn't fit or hasn't had a proper pre-season then I point to Ashley Young starting today. He has been injured with a disrupted pre-season, was also on the bench against Chelsea....but starts today. Must have "impressed" sufficiently in his minutes last Monday.
Our manager and coaches who watch him everyday don't think he's ready yet. You and your bleep test obviously know better.
Guys, Moyes did say that both Kagawa and Zaha will feature in the upcoming weeks. It's shocking that Kagawa didn't even make the bench today, but if Moyes didn't have any plans of playing him anyways, then it doesn't really make a difference to me.
Let's just hope that Moyes keeps his "promise".
Let's just hope that Moyes keeps his "promise".
You are a fool - in the punditry of foreign exchange, your IQ would be the Zimbabwean dollar!
Its Berbatov all over again.
Such a shame, as Kagawa is a genuinely classy player. No wonder Kloop is tearing his hair out.
Such a shame, as Kagawa is a genuinely classy player. No wonder Kloop is tearing his hair out.
I'm genuinely not being hysterical here, but today's selection smacks of Moyes' fear of going to Anfield. We saw it perenially at Everton, and even when they has better teams than Liverpool, they'd shit the course there. Selecting Young and Giggs is playing it safe. Moyes will be delighted with a point today, and coupled with the same approach at home to a negative Chelsea side, I'm beginning to fear that Moyes is a little too pragmatic for our liking, especially against our rivals.
Early days I know, and he won't want to lose to rivals too early in his Manchester United career, but we're all used to seeing (for the most part) cavalier football and we should be looking to beat teams whom we are better than with attacking football.
I don't like this comparison one bit. But I'm not gonna go too much into detail now that the match is about to start.
No I agree. At Everton he set them up to nullify everything the opposition did. I can understand him not wanting to lose his first few games and keeping United tight and organised, I just hope there is enough support to Van Persie. Young, Giggs, Cleverley and Welbeck need big performances today.
Even Ryan Giggs must know his refusal to retire is costing us precocious talents. What else has he got to prove? You are a legend already, please - leave the stage for the youngsters.
We've played loads of tumescent bollocks at Anfield in recent years. It's not a Moyes thing however hard you try to make it one. We played Giggs AND Scholes a couple of years ago and got dicked.
And what exactly could he have changed against Chelsea? He started Rooney, Welbeck and Van Persie. We just couldn't break them down.
And what exactly could he have changed against Chelsea? He started Rooney, Welbeck and Van Persie. We just couldn't break them down.
We also rarely attack with more than 4-5 players. Cleverley and Carrick both sit deep. Some very passive attacking.
Giggs isn't good enough to be a starter yet he's started thrice now. I don't find it strange that Moyes hasn't purchased anyone when Giggs is still 2nd choice on the left and after Rooney.
Somehow I feel he should be back to Dortmund, where he was valued by the manager. We are simply wasting him here.
Anyone know where he is? Injured?
Just like the Chelsea game, this game is screaming for Kagawa.
Hopefully he'll be match fit soon enough.
Hopefully he'll be match fit soon enough.
Ridiculous, can't stop laughing at your post. :P
Why is Kagawa not even on the bench?
Because he played a tournament this Summer, apparently.
Its nothing like Berbatov. Modest fee, clearly fits the team
Only Moyes can tell you that. Hernandez is on there, Young started.....so feck knows.
He clearly fits the team?
Over the last year he had a couple of good performances for United, but overall looked resticted and uncomfortable in his role. If you want to see him fitting in properly in a team, you have to look back further in the past.
I have not seen a single plausible reason, why he is not even on the bench today. Just playing in the Confedcup is not good enough for me. Dozens of players have done that and are already playing fulltime for their respective clubs.
At this point in time I see it very simply: United went from misusing to not using him at all.
And yes, I´m angry about his treatment, because I truly want him to succeed there. He deserves to realize his dream. He is a model athlete, who has done nothing wrong over the last years and is according to sources one of the hardest workers in training.
I agree with Sphaero. Totally.
Not even beeing on the bench was criminal.
Not on the bench, seeing the likes of Giggs playing so much must be hard to understand (if there is not real fitness issue that is).
Free Shinji!
For us though not Dortmund.
For us though not Dortmund.
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