Mesut Özil

Treble said:
Kagawa fans are in for a huge disappointment if they believe that he is nearly as good as Ozil. Kagawa is the better goalscorer but Ozil is a much better playmaker. In his best season at Dortmund, Kagawa played more as a second striker than as a playmaker. IMO, he is far from being a world class playmaker.
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Yup. Kagawa isn't a playmaker. And from what I've seen, is a step below Ozil.

However it has to be said that the best of kagawa will be seen in a much more high tempo game than we play whereas arsenal are ideal for Ozil. I think they are a better fit currently for Ozil than we are for kagawa. So I can see Ozil on top of being a better player flourishing more too. But let's see, new manager and all, early days,
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Yup. Kagawa isn't a playmaker. And from what I've seen, is a step below Ozil.

However it has to be said that the best of kagawa will be seen in a much more high tempo game than we play whereas arsenal are ideal for Ozil. I think they are a better fit currently for Ozil than we are for kagawa. So I can see Ozil on top of being a better player flourishing more too. But let's see, new manager and all, early days,
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I agree that Kagawa isnt as good as Ozil but I disagree with you on the playmaking part. I think he is a playmaker, a good #10. Even at Dortmund with Sahin and then Gundogan playing behind him, I think he was one of the main focal points of their attack. He will do very well in a proper counter attacking team. We used to be very good at that but the last couple of seasons that stat has gone down as well.
 
United are taken aback, for example, by the latest suggestion they challenged Arsenal for Mesut Ozil. The truth is that United and Manchester City were both offered the player three weeks ago. United turned it down because they had already made up their mind that Wayne Rooney would not be leaving and they did not want to break their transfer record, paying upwards of £40m, for someone who plays in the same position.Their thinking also took into account they have Shinji Kagawa, among others, for the No10 role.
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http://www.theguardian.com/football...nited-ander-herrera-transfer-farce?CMP=twt_gu
 
JazzG said:
Even though our attacking players aren't of their calibre they aren't that bad either, he'll help them score more goals because he will be the most creative player in the team. Many matches last season we struggled to break teams down and didn't have enough pace of guile in midfield to make an impact, he'll help there a lot. Ozil isn't a tippy tappy player, quite a direct and incisive player. He is also a class above any creative player we have, those who believe what they read will think otherwise but if you watched us last season we didn't have enough creativity in our side apart from Cazorla.

As for our title chances, it will bring us closer but I don't think it will win us a title. Need a GK, Striker & CM before we can challenge for the title imo. Tried for the latter two but couldn't pull any deals off.
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Fair enough - agree with that largely.

Lets be clear, he is a very good player, world class by whatever standard you like. I was surprised by how some Arsenal fans have reacted - as if it solves all problems. I know all fans get excited about new signings but to me it's a distraction technique by Wenger - he promised a big name and that's all that mattered, regardless of who he was.

If I were an Arsenal fan I'd still be concerned. This signing solves on problem - Wenger now might spend on big players, but they're still a way off a real title winning side for me. A shame for the fans because this year might have been a chance for them to push on with the uncertainty of other clubs and new managers.

As it is I think Spurs and Liverpool have improved hugely - improved more maybe than Arsenal. City, Chelsea and United will still in my opinion shoot out for the title. Arsenal must finish top 4 - but I still think that'll be a huge challenge, and if they don't then Wenger will rue not getting a few more players in in key positions. I guess we'll see how the season pans out.
 
Spending almost 3x the amount of their previous transfer record is taking things a bit far for a simple distraction. It's not really the kind of thing Wenger seems likely to do. Seems more like he's bought a player who could potentially be the best in the league to take them up a level from where they've been at for a few years.
 
Am I the only person who thinks losing Ozil and getting Bale is a step down for Madrid?

Am I also the only person who thinks combining that with a loss of about 43 million with the two deals means Madrid should actually be feeling a bit mugged off.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Am I the only person who thinks losing Ozil and getting Bale is a step down for Madrid?

Am I also the only person who thinks combining that with a loss of about 43 million with the two deals means Madrid should actually be feeling a bit mugged off.
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It's too early to say if they've been mugged off, as Bale could come along and destroy La Liga, but I am still quite confused as to why they let Ozil go. Isco looks a class act, but I still think it's risky.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Am I the only person who thinks losing Ozil and getting Bale is a step down for Madrid?

Am I also the only person who thinks combining that with a loss of about 43 million with the two deals means Madrid should actually be feeling a bit mugged off.
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A realistic Madrid fan would agree with you. But they love their Galacticos signings, and big money just leads to big expectations straight away.

I am fully with you on this one: They've sold the highest assist-maker out of all the top 5 leagues for the past 3 seasons, and have replaced him with a player who was a one man team which were fighting for a top 4 spot and failed, and will be second fiddle to Ronaldo this season. They have definitely not had a stellar deal here, and I do believe all will be truly revealed come the end of the season. Ozil will be missed as Isco just isn't the same quality right now, and Bale will not be the same as he was at Tottenham, at least that's what I reckon.
 
Bales very good and all, but I dont think he is 43 million pounds better than Ozil, if indeed he is better at all. Plus, the whole british players going to Spain thing, might prove a bit of an early problem.
 
Brwned said:
Spending almost 3x the amount of their previous transfer record is taking things a bit far for a simple distraction. It's not really the kind of thing Wenger seems likely to do. Seems more like he's bought a player who could potentially be the best in the league to take them up a level from where they've been at for a few years.
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Yeah, I think this is huge for Arsenal. It changes everything. Ozil will be so good in this league that Arsenal will finally be real challengers.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Am I the only person who thinks losing Ozil and getting Bale is a step down for Madrid?

Am I also the only person who thinks combining that with a loss of about 43 million with the two deals means Madrid should actually be feeling a bit mugged off.
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Bale and Ozil are also the same age :eek:
 
charleysurf said:
Yeah, I think this is huge for Arsenal. It changes everything. Ozil will be so good in this league that Arsenal will finally be real challengers.
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The best thing was that Ozil seems to have been convinced to move here on the premise that we will be in for more top class players next summer. Realistically, we still have £80m to burn so we could back him up.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Bales very good and all, but I dont think he is 43 million pounds better than Ozil, if indeed he is better at all. Plus, the whole british players going to Spain thing, might prove a bit of an early problem.
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I may be wrong, but i would bet on Oezil being the bigger success, despite the difference in price.
 
alastair said:
The best thing was that Ozil seems to have been convinced to move here on the premise that we will be in for more top class players next summer. Realistically, we still have £80m to burn so we could back him up.
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Well, don't get carried away! But yes, it can only help to,attract more players.
 
alastair said:
I've just had Arsenal.com open on my laptop all day, and I just sit there and smile. These are glorious times.
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Reminds me of when we signed Dennis. Bruce fecking Rioch brings in David Platt and Dennis Bergkamp for 12 million quids.
 
charleysurf said:
Yeah, I think this is huge for Arsenal. It changes everything. Ozil will be so good in this league that Arsenal will finally be real challengers.
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Arsenal at one point had players like Fabregas, RVP, Nasri and Song in their team and still fell short of pretty much everything. Ozil will give them a lift and it's a massive step in the right direction, but they won't be title challengers this season IMO.
 
Shark22 said:
Arsenal at one point had players like Fabregas, RVP, Nasri and Song in their team and still fell short of pretty much everything. Ozil will give them a lift and it's a massive step in the right direction, but they won't be title challengers this season.
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It's a bit odd to include Song with those three.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Am I the only person who thinks losing Ozil and getting Bale is a step down for Madrid?

Am I also the only person who thinks combining that with a loss of about 43 million with the two deals means Madrid should actually be feeling a bit mugged off.
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I think a lot of people will agree.
 
Shark22 said:
Arsenal at one point had players like Fabregas, RVP, Nasri and Song in their team and still fell short of pretty much everything. Ozil will give them a lift and it's a massive step in the right direction, but they won't be title challengers this season IMO.
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It's been mentioned a lot: No striker cover, no top class CB (depends on your views of Vermalaen and Koscielny, I don't think they're up to scratch) and no top goalie either. Midfield is set though, unless they suffer a major injury crisis, which wouldn't be a surprise given Wilshere gets injured easily with Walcott and Ramsey not having success a lot either. If they improved in these areas too then they would be title challengers.
 
Shark22 said:
Arsenal at one point had players like Fabregas, RVP, Nasri and Song in their team and still fell short of pretty much everything. Ozil will give them a lift and it's a massive step in the right direction, but they won't be title challengers this season IMO.
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United will not be as consistent as last season, and I am still a little unconvinced by City and Chelsea. The league is weaker than it was in 2008 say, and Arsenal had those players. I really think they have a shot now. Although I can recall predicting that before....
 
Grinner said:
Not saying he's rubbish, just not in the same class as the others....or Ozil.
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Well neither is Nasri. I was just mentioning some top players you did have a while back, not putting them all in the same bracket.
 
Well anybody claiming that we are suddenly title favourites because of one signing is a dick. We have a chance but nothing is certain.
 
Like people were going overboard with their apparent demise two weeks ago, people are now going slightly overboard with their resurgence after the signing of Ozil. They still lack a world class goalkeeper, defence and a striker, something that will cost quite a bit more than the £80m he supposedly still has. Wilshere doesn't seem to be able to get over his injury problems and two good games against Fenerbahce doesn't wipe out what was a terrible last season for Ramsey. Question marks still remain over him.

Their lack of depth in defence, their lack of a genuine quality goalkeeper and their shortness up front will see them fall far short of a title challenge. Their quality in midfield however should ensure they got top 4, but it isn't a given. Spurs and Liverpool will push them.

If Wenger makes the right signings next summer though I can certainly see them mounting a challenge next season. Perhaps the 10 year plan is about to fall right into place.
 
Absolutely zero chance of a title challenge from Arsenal. Still glaring weaknesses in the squad and signing Ozil was strengthening in the only position that didn't really need it.
 
esmufc14 said:
Like people were going overboard with their apparent demise two weeks ago, people are now going slightly overboard with their resurgence after the signing of Ozil. They still lack a world class goalkeeper, defence and a striker, something that will cost quite a bit more than the £80m he supposedly still has. Wilshere doesn't seem to be able to get over his injury problems and two good games against Fenerbahce doesn't wipe out what was a terrible last season for Ramsey. Question marks still remain over him.

Their lack of depth in defence, their lack of a genuine quality goalkeeper and their shortness up front will see them fall far short of a title challenge. Their quality in midfield however should ensure they got top 4, but it isn't a given. Spurs and Liverpool will push them.

If Wenger makes the right signings next summer though I can certainly see them mounting a challenge next season. Perhaps the 10 year plan is about to fall right into place.
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Elvis, that post is littered with nonsense. Stick to the General.
 
Grinner said:
Elvis, that post is littered with nonsense. Stick to the General.
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He's got a point though....Ozil is a wonderful player, and a fantastic signing, but he's not suddenly gonna make you genuine title contenders. A few days ago people were talking about the the demise of Arsenal, how they won't make the top 4, Wenger needs to go etc etc, now its all how amazing Arsenal are, how Ozil can help them win the league etc etc. Its all a bit hyperbolic. You're still behind United, Chelsea & City. What the signing is, however, is a very good step in the right direction. A few more of that ilk, in the right positions, and you'll potentially be right up there (easier said then done of course).
 
Bestie07 said:
If United had wanted him, we would have got him. Don't fool yourself into thinking that he rejected United to sign for you.
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How do you know this for sure? Wenger called Ozil himself and spoke to him in German, and outlined his plans for the future of the club and for Ozil on a personal level. I think having two German compatriots in the squad helps with his decision too.

But there is no denying United are a bigger club as far as prestige is concerned. Though Wenger trumps Moyes everyday of the week as far as managerial-pull is concerned, and his reassurances seem to have got this deal over the line.

Interestingly I've read that Perez and Wenger had this deal in place after our move for Higuain fell through. And that when United/PSG came in he told them no, and kept his word with Wenger. It also helps that Perez is a known admirer/friend of Wenger. All that was holding the official announcement was the confirmation of the Bale deal from Tottenham's end.

On the other hand I've read that we were offering him (or willing to, at least) more than United. I read it was something like £7 million per year compared to £5 million.

But whether there is any truth to any of this though is, I suppose, the real question here.
 
Well, I have to say, that I have a reason to watch Arsenal games again. The past few years Fabregas and RVP made me watch them, but I didn't last year.

Question for Arsenal fans - why throw this money now, and not last summer? It may have convinced RVP to stay... Was the money just not there last summer?
 
Apparently the shackles were able to be released this summer, as our off-field finances were looking good. New sponsorship deals and the debt/stadium payments are under control were big factors.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Apparently the shackles were able to be released this summer, as our off-field finances were looking good. New sponsorship deals and the debt/stadium payments are under control were big factors.
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do you reckon these kind of transfers will carry on now? not 40 mill plus but bigger names than the one you have signed in the past few years?
 
Relevated said:
do you reckon these kind of transfers will carry on now? not 40 mill plus but bigger names than the one you have signed in the past few years?
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I certainly hope so. I believe there is a big chance it will, as the club has made positive noise all summer and finally there is proof they are willing to follow through with their word.

We will have the funds there, and if Gazidis' comments are to be believed then we would still have roughly £30 million left over from this window.

We know that Wenger is insistent on developing his own and promoting from within though, so I don't think there will be a flurry of big signings in the coming windows - but a big name/quality addition each window is probably a reasonable expectation.
 
Sam said:
He's got a point though....Ozil is a wonderful player, and a fantastic signing, but he's not suddenly gonna make you genuine title contenders. A few days ago people were talking about the the demise of Arsenal, how they won't make the top 4, Wenger needs to go etc etc, now its all how amazing Arsenal are, how Ozil can help them win the league etc etc. Its all a bit hyperbolic. You're still behind United, Chelsea & City. What the signing is, however, is a very good step in the right direction. A few more of that ilk, in the right positions, and you'll potentially be right up there (easier said then done of course).
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Who of note is saying we are going to win the league?
 
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