When the 2022 World Cup is confirmed to take place in Winter...

711 said:
I didn't know the US came second. I would prefer someone it hasn't gone to before, and I like the idea of jointly-held tournaments. And Uruguay in 2030 would be nice, so yeah.

However Scotland, Wales and the Irelands would be good too.
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Unfortunately that's a UEFA crew and since Russia gets the 2018 WC, the Celtic nations couldn't hold the 2022 games. A Dublin, Cardiff, Glasgow 2026 tournament, however, might be nice.
 
FresnoBob said:
Unfortunately that's a UEFA crew and since Russia gets the 2018 WC, the Celtic nations couldn't hold the 2022 games. A Dublin, Cardiff, Glasgow 2026 tournament, however, might be nice.
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Can't host the 2026 World Cup either. The confederations are ineligible for two cycles after hosting one.

Sepp has implied that he made a mistake when saying that the World Cup in 2022 would be played in the summer after it was bought by Qatar.

http://www.insideworldfootball.com/...out-winter-2022-but-what-about-discrimination
 
I'm still going to stick my neck out as I have all along and say that the 2022 World Cup will not be held in Qatar, it's all a PR stunt.

We've still got another year until the point at which 2022 should have been decided - we now have Blatter saying things like it "may have been a mistake" to give it to Qatar. Expect to hear in increasing chorus of that sort of thing over the next 12 months until an honorable back-tracking is agreed and one of the other bidders picks up the slack.
 
711 said:
I didn't know the US came second. I would prefer someone it hasn't gone to before, and I like the idea of jointly-held tournaments. And Uruguay in 2030 would be nice, so yeah.

However Scotland, Wales and the Irelands would be good too.
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Would we get the GAA grounds for such a bid? We've got four 50,000+ stadia in Scotland, albeit three of them in the same city. I'm not sure how keen the likes of Aberdeen or Dundee United would be for a 40,000-capacity white elephant. The other issue would be giving up three qualifying spots.
 
Gio said:
Would we get the GAA grounds for such a bid? We've got four 50,000+ stadia in Scotland, albeit three of them in the same city. I'm not sure how keen the likes of Aberdeen or Dundee United would be for a 40,000-capacity white elephant. The other issue would be giving up three qualifying spots.
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Yes, it would need the GAA, and the Millenium at Cardiff. They would look complete twats if they voted against it though. And maybe bung some lottery money at Belfast too, with a joint stadium.

The qualifying spot thing is awkward though, I hadn't thought of that.
 
711 said:
Yes, it would need the GAA, and the Millenium at Cardiff. They would look complete twats if they voted against it though. And maybe bung some lottery money at Belfast too, with a joint stadium.

The qualifying spot thing is awkward though, I hadn't thought of that.
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UEFA is currently allotted 13 spots and the host is automatic. While keeping the tournament's commitment to world-wide representation, FIFA could take a look at the 'half spots" that require an inter-confederation play-off (Asian fifth place v. South American 5th and Oceania v. CONCACAF 4th) to see if one of those (which usually produces a team ranked about on par with Scotland at its low ebb) could be used for a host side. Dropping UEFA to 12 spots for that particular tournament would mean a team of the caliber of Slovakia, Slovenia, or Denmark [the three lowest ranked European teams in WC 2010] would miss out.
 
711 said:
Yes, it would need the GAA, and the Millenium at Cardiff. They would look complete twats if they voted against it though. And maybe bung some lottery money at Belfast too, with a joint stadium.

The qualifying spot thing is awkward though, I hadn't thought of that.
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I wouldn't worry about using up 3 spots. I mean it is a problem, but there are still 29 left instead of 30. UEFA was interested in a 3 host 24 team tournament, although its apples and oranges.
 
rcoobc said:
I wouldn't worry about using up 3 spots. I mean it is a problem, but there are still 29 left instead of 30. UEFA was interested in a 3 host 24 team tournament, although its apples and oranges.
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Well the Irelands would be a problem, because that would make it four spots. I suspect there really isn't a way round that, although it would be nice if I were wrong. I've no particular political axe to grind incidentally, mostly I'd like to see Scotland's love for football recognised, just because I think they deserve it.
 
711 said:
Well the Irelands would be a problem, because that would make it four spots. I suspect there really isn't a way round that, although it would be nice if I were wrong. I've no particular political axe to grind incidentally, mostly I'd like to see Scotland's love for football recognised, just because I think they deserve it.
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A one off union of Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, and of England, Scotland and Wales to free up the spots...

*runs*
 
So November and December 2022...

Start of 21-22 season moved to late June/early July, end of 20-21 season moved to...

Much depends on whether FIFA are moving the Confederations Cup to Summer, Winter, or cancelling it completely.
 
psychdelicblues said:
The european FA's should stand together on this and threaten to boycott Qatar if they try to force this through. With or without Platani's support.
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Half of them look ready to bum him. Not actully during thr world cup in Qatar though.

Many people seem to be supporting this, and for some reason the anti-English agenda is running strong. Despite the English having feck bugger all to do with this.
 
The World Cup will be moved to winter and many FA's, players, fans and media will openly criticize the decision, but nothing will be done that would actually hurt or undermine the event. In all likelihood star players and major countries won't boycott the World Cup and enough fans will make the trip to Qatar that stadiums won't be empty. FIFA will deem the event a rousing success and blow themselves afterwards about bringing the biggest sporting event to a country that shouldn't have even been considered.
 
The top clubs in Europe need to make a stand and flatly refuse this idiotic idea.
 
Jeez, can you believe this garbage?:

Asked by insideworldfootball.com about awarding Qatar the event in the first place, Blatter said: "It may well be that we made a mistake at the time."

"On the other hand, you must also consider political and geo-political realities. The World Cup is FIFA's biggest, if not only, global event. Who are we, the Europeans, to demand that this event has to cater to the needs of 800 million Europeans above all?"

"I think it is high time that Europe starts to understand that we do not rule the world anymore, and that some former European imperial powers can no longer impress their will on to others in faraway places."
 
To be fair, I can understand wanting to give the cup to a country in the middle east. However, they should have been open about it and said Qatar were bidding for a Winter cup.
 
SteveJ said:
Jeez, can you believe this garbage?:

Asked by insideworldfootball.com about awarding Qatar the event in the first place, Blatter said: "It may well be that we made a mistake at the time."

"On the other hand, you must also consider political and geo-political realities. The World Cup is FIFA's biggest, if not only, global event. Who are we, the Europeans, to demand that this event has to cater to the needs of 800 million Europeans above all?"

"I think it is high time that Europe starts to understand that we do not rule the world anymore, and that some former European imperial powers can no longer impress their will on to others in faraway places."
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Yes, it's all about imperialism, well done Blatter.

You pillow.
 
Yeah, just look at those arrogant European countries which made a bid for the 2022 World Cup: Australia, Japan, USA, South Korea.
 
SteveJ said:
Jeez, can you believe this garbage?:

Asked by insideworldfootball.com about awarding Qatar the event in the first place, Blatter said: "It may well be that we made a mistake at the time."

"On the other hand, you must also consider political and geo-political realities. The World Cup is FIFA's biggest, if not only, global event. Who are we, the Europeans, to demand that this event has to cater to the needs of 800 million Europeans above all?"

"I think it is high time that Europe starts to understand that we do not rule the world anymore, and that some former European imperial powers can no longer impress their will on to others in faraway places."
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Please tell me that was you doing a parody Steve..
 
NM said:
To be fair, I can understand wanting to give the cup to a country in the middle east. However, they should have been open about it and said Qatar were bidding for a Winter cup.
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But isn't that the point? They would have had no chance succeeding in the bid if had been known that it was going to be staged in the winter.
 
psychdelicblues said:
But isn't that the point? They would have had no chance succeeding in the bid if had been known that it was going to be staged in the winter.
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I'm not too sure - the same people that originally voted for Qatar and are now voting to move it to December would decide that right?
 
I don't see much chance of the big boys of European football kicking up a fuss. SAF and Guardiola backed the bid. Barcelona, PSG are amongst the clubs funded by Qatar. They did their groundwork. I'm assuming the UAE (and their clubs) won't want to put the boot in either.
 
NM said:
I'm not too sure - the same people that originally voted for Qatar and are now voting to move it to December would decide that right?
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If they had proposed from the beginning that the world cup will be played in winter, they would have got virtually no votes in Europe and South America. Why would they vote for Qatar knowing that their national league will have to shut down in the winter for 2 months, and the consequents of it?
 
psychdelicblues said:
If they had proposed from the beginning that the world cup will be played in winter, they would have got virtually no votes in Europe and South America. Why would they vote for Qatar knowing that their national league will have to shut down in the winter for 2 months, and the consequents of it?
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Well Platini voted for it - so presumably his supporters did too. I'm not too sure. Practicality has never been FIFA's strongpoint. Bribes are.

Regardless, I'm kind of happy - every country deserves to host the world cup, regardless of weather. Its just a shame that it has been done in such a backhand way.
 
Honestly, all the losing bidders should sue the feck out of FIFA. In no court of the world would this shit stand up: Qatar won the rights on the basis that they hold the World Cup in the summer. Changing the rules AFTER the bidding process is a big no-no in the civilised world.

Unless the bid included that "hey, we might want to move the World Cup if we get it, you're okay with that?" Otherwise this will be the biggest farce ever: Qatar won the right to host the 2022 World Cup, to be held at the end of 2021.
 
Conceivably changing to a winter World Cup could affect 3 seasons. Depending on the lenght of the break leagues might have to adjust the season before to end earlier. Adjust the season the competition takes place in. Then there could be some effect on the start of the season after.

Sure go ahead play it in winter.
 
psychdelicblues said:
Up to 50c in a desert.
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i can go snowboarding in Dubai in summer...

whats the problem?

The only attractive shit about Qatar (for worldcup matters obviously...) is their money. Their petrodollars... FIFA should make them spend all their oil and build nice stadiums with climate control... its not like you can't do it. You just need money and they have... plus they have all the time in the world.

technology bitch! xd seriously.
 
George Owen said:
i can go snowboarding in Dubai in summer...

whats the problem?

The only attractive shit about Qatar (for worldcup matters obviously...) is their money. Their petrodollars... FIFA should make them spend all their oil and build nice stadiums with climate control... its not like you can't do it. You just need money and they have... plus they have all the time in the world.

technology bitch! xd seriously.
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I thought that was part of their concept anyway. Clima control for the whole stadium with solar power and if I remember correctly they wanted to dismantle the completely useless stadiums and rebuild them in poor african countries as a gift afterwards or something like that.

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quick google search came up with the following quotes:
Bid organizers claim that they are developing revolutionary methods to keep each of the stadiums climate-controlled and carbon neutral, at an estimated construction cost of about $6.2 billion.
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German architects AS&P have produced 12 conceptual designs that incorporate retractable roofs and solar power for cooling systems as well as modular designs that allow some of the stadiums to be dismantled at the end of the tournament and rebuilt in other countries.
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http://www.gadling.com/2010/12/04/qatars-2022-world-cup-stadium-designs/

I never believed that could actually work and there were also questions about climate control for training grounds, but that's how they won it. Has Qater ever said they can't do it? Or even requested that they want it moved to winter? So far only Platini and Blatter are talking about moving it, while Qater never made an official request as far as I know.
 
Balu said:
I thought that was part of their concept anyway. Clima control for the whole stadium with solar power and if I remember correctly they wanted to dismantle the completely useless stadiums and rebuild them in poor african countries as a gift afterwards or something like that.

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quick google search came up with the following quotes:




http://www.gadling.com/2010/12/04/qatars-2022-world-cup-stadium-designs/

I never believed that could actually work and there were also questions about climate control for training grounds, but that's how they won it. Has Qater ever said they can't do it? Or even requested that they want it moved to winter? So far only Platini and Blatter are talking about moving it, while Qater never made an official request as far as I know.
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As far as I know, Qatar still maintain that they are happy to host in the summer - they should be made to deliver the climate control stadiums they promised or else they forfeit and there should be a new bidding process.
 
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