What else would he be trying? It's not really a hard skill.
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i know... but he didnt pull it correctly. The Barcelona player get to the ball first, hit the backheel of Ozil and fall into Di Maria...
unless he was counting with the barcelona player (messi) hitting the ball first, then he is a magician. But not so sure haha... by his reaction you can tell he was expecting something different to happen.
Huh? I'm only viewing it on my phone but it looks like he flicks it with his right onto his left and to Di Maria.
It's not hard skill, or that impressive, but I don't believe he wanted to do it anyway. He maybe wanted to just change its trajectory a bit with his right foot, but he could never expect it to ricochet off Barcelona's player. Watch his movemant after he does the "skill", he instinctively goes in the direction where he thought the ball would end after he realized it bounced off Barca's player.
After his touch with right foot it bounces off Messi, and then into his left foot.
After his touch with right foot it bounces off Messi, and then into his left foot.
Did zoom in on that a lot: maybe I'm just a retard but that looks like it's all Ozil to me! The point of that trick is to knock it with the inside of one foot (Ozil's right in this case) on to the other foot for the backheel.
Edit: Looking again, I think it bounces slightly after the touch. If Messi does touch it it's too slight to be significant. It wouldn't have been such a clean contact for the backheel if he'd got anything proper on it.
Edit: Looking again, I think it bounces slightly after the touch. If Messi does touch it it's too slight to be significant. It wouldn't have been such a clean contact for the backheel if he'd got anything proper on it.
ahhh no... now after watching the youtube video i can tell.
Ozil was going to let the ball pass under his legs to Di Maria... simple as that. Messi get there first but the ball hit Ozil backheel.
Ozil was going to let the ball pass under his legs to Di Maria... simple as that. Messi get there first but the ball hit Ozil backheel.
Hahaha 50 million € for Ozil, still laughing
I think you've missed the general consensus of the thread. We're all pretty fecking envious of Arsenal right now. They've bought a top player for a fee somewhere around or just above the market.
Maybe he means Walter White, Crawl Space style laughter. Got the impression many people were reduced to that by the end of our transfer window.
Can't believe some on here are saying we don't need a player like Ozil! He was put for sale and we didn't get him!? If we knew, than that's just plain dumb
And they are laughing at us spending £27.5m on Fellaini. Also Ozil for around £42m in today's market for a player with his quality and his age is a bargain in my opinion in terms of what he will give you in the long run.
50m is certainly not a bargain, he's probably worth it in today's market. But the club takes a lot of risks as well, which can't be ignored by an investment that big. Possible injuries, questionable mentality, who knows, maybe he doesn't like the weather and wants away again next summer, you simply can't know for certain. All the sugardaddy clubs can afford big transfers to be complete failures, or at least could in the past. The clubs that try to earn their own money can't and therefore a big flop like Torres for Chelsea or Kaka for Real or even something like Pastore for PSG (I know Real isn't a sugardaddy club but they are probably the only club rich enough so that they can afford it anyway) will hurt the club a lot. Even clubs like United, Bayern need to be careful with their record breaking transfers.
Worth the money, worth the risk? Yes, imo. A bargain? Certainly not.
It's quite simple really: Rooney and Kagawa. Ozil is a better playmaker than both of them and also better to watch, IMO, but Rooney can score more goals and is more versatile. Kagawa is relatively young too and can blossom into some player. Personally, I'd go for Ozil but it's understandable why the club didn't want to sign him.
People also say that Ronaldo to Real Madrid for the fee he went was a bargain. Who could have guaranteed that Ronaldo would play as well as he has for Real ??
Were they saying it at the time he was sold? If we make that judgement now, it's a different thing, because then you take all the risks out of the equation. I still doubt he was a bargain, btw. After all he was bought to take the team back to the top of Europe and so far he clearly failed (whether that's his fault, the squad's fault, the manager's fault is a different discussion). His individual achievements are all nice to talk about, but since he joined Madrid, several other teams had more success in Europe and a few top clubs made a comparable impressive financial development. Is Real Madrid's financial development really that special since Ronaldo joined them?
In 07/08 the top 5 in revenue were:
1. Real Madrid €365.8m
2. Manchester United €324.8
3. FC Barcelona €308.8m
4. FC Bayern München €289.5m
5. Chelsea €268.9m
In 11/12:
1. Real Madrid €512.6m
2. FC Barcelona €483m
3. Manchester United €395.9m
4. Bayern München €368.4m
5. Chelsea €322.6m
Madrid's matchday revenue from 07/08 to 11/12 grew €25.2m, their commercial revenue €58m, their broadcasting revenue €63.4m, so the ridiculous tv deals actually play the biggest part in their development. Overall I don't think that much has changed and I'm sure that Bayern's success now and the new tv and sponsoring deals in England will make Real's financial development look less impressive the next 2 years while they had to spend silly amounts of money again for new players this summer. Sure, Real has made a lot of money since Ronaldo joined, but so did they before and they haven't reached their goals on the pitch the last 4 years. As long as they pay way over the top compared to the other top clubs in Europe, they won't use that money effectively. How can we call those record breaking transfers bargains if all they do is keep the status quo?
Good point , since Ronaldo's been at the club, Madrid still have not reached a CL final, and finished the season 15 points behind Barca. The only progress they have made on the pitch is going beyond the last 16 of the CL. I'm sure they had higher goals then that when they bought Ronaldo.
Completely agree.
Rooney is indeed a more versatile player, has a better engine and will track back the length of the pitch to recover a mistake. I would take an on-form Rooney any day, providing he doesn't want to join the Russians. If that remains the case, he can swivel. If he grows up and stops throwing tantrums and signs a new contract, this summer will not have been totally in vain.
Heard the fee is €45mill rising to €50mill! [Insert joke about the fee not rising as it might be linked to Arsenal winning trophies]. That works out £38mill rising to £42mill and considering Spurs coughed up £30mill (rising to £35mill) for Lamela represents good business. Lamela will probably become a fine player himself but at least with Ozil we know he is already there.
At the time £80mill was insane money, still is to be fair. For £80mill on a goal scorer I'd expect him to score in every game and that is exactly what he has done. He has been worth the money that Real coughed up but certainly not a bargain like people say
At the time £80mill was insane money, still is to be fair. For £80mill on a goal scorer I'd expect him to score in every game and that is exactly what he has done. He has been worth the money that Real coughed up but certainly not a bargain like people say
Excellent signing for Arsenal- yes!
Bargain- no!
42m is still a great amount of money.
Bargain- no!
42m is still a great amount of money.
Of course he is not a bargain but I think he represents good value when you consider prices of other players. Something which the club has struggled to accept at times, sell at premium prices but wouldn't buy at them!
They're saying it now and tbh the two situations are different but what I wanted to show is my agreement that up to a certain sum of money, no transfer of a single player can be considered as bargain. Ozil for Arsenal wasn't a bargain that's for sure.
He's good value when you consider the price of Bale.
There's always one transfer in every window that completely baffles in terms of cost but if you judge it compared to what most players around his standard have moved for this summer, it's not "good value", it's probably just about right.
Using your own figures, Madrid's % growth at 40% is only beaten by Barca's at 55%. Munich saw 27% and United 22%. TV money? Well yes, but United'd PL money alone grew by nearly 40m over that period and Madrid's was boosted by them finally getting a share of the knockout money from the CL.
More significantly they maintained that commercial growth at a time when Barcelona had a better team, and Barcelona, United and Bayern were all significantly more successful. As a commercial purchase Ronaldo worked great, he helped them grow at a time when their football said they shouldn't have been. He also effectively single handedly maintained the glamour of the "brand" after Beckham, Ronaldo, Zidane went.
As a football purchase he worked great as well, but as part of a football strategy? Of course not. Throwing away players and formations to bring in the latest shiny new toy is dreadful. Which is good news, because there should be some kind of footballing punishment for forgetting that football is a team game, and that teams aren't just a collection of the most expensive 11 players you can afford to buy.
In terms of "value" I think that's a relative concept.
If a club buys a player, even for a large sum, in an area they desperately need that player then it represents good business. In this case I think the money Arsenal have spent could have been better spent elsewhere.
Still - it has got the fans onside so Im sure the club are happy with it.
You can't have enough world class players.
You had 1 or 2 at a stretch so that couldnt be a concern for you. It was for us though, we didnt need him.
EDIT: You had none actually, calling Wilshere world class already would be a stretch.
Dont know if this has been posted but it gave me a chuckle
I haven't said that signing Ronaldo didn't have an impact at all, just that it wasn't that big that you could call the transfer a bargain, especially if we take the failed goals when actually playing football into account. Madrid made the biggest jump in revenue between 2001 and 2005, when they were clearly behind United, Bayern and Juventus. After that they stayed consistently at the top despite failing in Europe for years.
2000/01:
1. United 217.2
2. Juventus 173.5
3. Bayern 173.2
5. Real 138.2
2004/05:
1. Real 275.7
2. United 246.4
4. Juventus 229.4
7. Bayern 189.5
That's an impressive development with a huge difference in the club's financial position before and after signing those big names. Signing C. Ronalo didn't have a comparable effect, it helped keeping financially the status quo against a more successful club in the same country, like I said before, but basically that's it.
Also I think the rivalry between Barca and Real peaked over the last years and helped both clubs financially. The Messi - Ronaldo rivalry played a big role, but so did the Mourinho - Guardiola rivalry and Madrid at least making the CL semi finals 3 times after signing Özil, Khedira and Mourinho as manager (let's not forget, Real still failed to make the quarter finals with Ronaldo in 2009/10).
My main point was to prove with those numbers, that paying 80m for Ronaldo wasn't a bargain, it was a very good transfer without doubt, but that's it. And the same will apply for Özil to Arsenal, even if he's incredibly successful, he can never be seen as a bargain, imo. It's still crazy money for one player.
Just a sidenote on the football finance side.
Real Madrid are supposed to be sulking that in some of the main online stores, Ozil shirt sales are currently outnumbering Bale sales by 5:1.
As I've said before the "shirt sales" measure isn't really in Perez's eyes about additional money earned (which would be minimal) it's about judging which of his players are just footballers and which ones are marketing assets. Apparently right now, Bale will have to pay his way as a footballer - as Andy Gray would say, it's a big ask.
I can't blame the Arsenal fans for being excited, even I'm looking forward to seeing Ozil play.
Real Madrid are supposed to be sulking that in some of the main online stores, Ozil shirt sales are currently outnumbering Bale sales by 5:1.
As I've said before the "shirt sales" measure isn't really in Perez's eyes about additional money earned (which would be minimal) it's about judging which of his players are just footballers and which ones are marketing assets. Apparently right now, Bale will have to pay his way as a footballer - as Andy Gray would say, it's a big ask.
I can't blame the Arsenal fans for being excited, even I'm looking forward to seeing Ozil play.
Probably a stupid question, but you mean Özil's Arsenal shirts are outnumbering Bale's right? It sounds like they are still selling Özil shirts at Real's stores?Just a sidenote on the football finance side.
Real Madrid are supposed to be sulking that in some of the main online stores, Ozil shirt sales are currently outnumbering Bale sales by 5:1.
As I've said before the "shirt sales" measure isn't really in Perez's eyes about additional money earned (which would be minimal) it's about judging which of his players are just footballers and which ones are marketing assets. Apparently right now, Bale will have to pay his way as a footballer - as Andy Gray would say, it's a big ask.
Arsenal shirts.
Yes I agree, we would probably made half of that fee back just by selling his shirts all over the world.
Ill informed and simply wrong. Before you start, MAdrid don't do that either, despite their claims.
And I can pull a few articles out of my backside saying it doesn't work that way.
Carry on though.
Oh I certainly will maybe that way you might learn something, and I don't know why you feel the need to bold my post and then call me ill informed when in fact you are.
I said they would probably make half the fee back form shirt sales and they probably will, even in this article Madrid made back more than half of the fee.
http://www.weaintgotnohistory.com/2012/7/30/3201349/how-much-are-shirt-sales-really-worth
And I'm talking about the transfer fee mr ill informed.
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