fair enough - I didn't know exactly what you were saying.
I still disagree with it. I'll try and put some time into why later.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
fair enough - I didn't know exactly what you were saying.
I still disagree with it. I'll try and put some time into why later.
That's cool, I'm also interested on any other aspects I might not realized. I might start a thread on it if there isnt another one already.
Have you even read the article you quoted? It explains later on why the idea that the club gets a signficant amount of money back with shirt sales is nonsense. The articles closes with the following phrase:
The assumption that Ronaldo sold every year as many shirts as in his first season is plain stupid and we also have to discount all the buyers who would have bought a Madrid shirt anyway, but just chose Ronaldo because they liked him more than Alonso or Kaka or whoever. The number of shirts the club sells that wouldn't have been sold without the signing are a small part of the total numbers, therefore the whole idea that the club gets half his money back with shirt sales is just wrong.
Lamela was 30m euros (not pounds), with €5 of possible future add-ons, making the total possible fee £30m (not £35m).
Well it also says
Anyway I just started a thread on it
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/can-big-name-transfer-fees-be-recouped-by-shirt-sales.376838/
You had Young and Valencia on the pitch against Liverpool. Are you seriously saying you don't need Ozil?
He's a genuine world class player. You've got fewer than you think you do.
Valencia plays on the right so unless you're suggesting we play Ozil out on the right, its as significant as having Jones play RB for us that game. And young's a squad player who was playing because our starters were injured.
The reality is that you have Kagawa who is a bit of an enigma for you and Rooney who doesn't want to be there. Ozil is better than those two players. You may not have 'needed' him but he is exactly the type of player that any top club should be in for if he becomes available. You missed out big time.
The reality is, you know feck all.
Rooney has tried to leave twice now.
Kagawa has talent but didn't have a successful first season and he hasn't featured yet this season. Your team could do with Ozil or someone of his ilk.
The reality is that whether or not Rooney wanted to be here, he is. He will start behind RVP almost every meaningful game he's fit for which incidentally is where Ozil plays. So once we'd decided not to sell Rooney and gone through the entire summer drama to keep him, it made little sense to spend 40mil+ on a player only to play him out of position.
If we had the chance to feck Rooney off outside the country for a good fee and had the choice of buying Ozil, I'd have a different opinion about this but once we'd kept him, no way could we fit Ozil in too without putting square pegs in round holes.
Fair enough, good points.
It also depends on how you want to play in the long-term, and whether Moyes prioritises wing-play as much as Ferguson. First indications seem he does.
Another No 10 when we already have 2 and thus need to play 1 of them out of position to accommodate both? Makes little sense.
Looks like he believes in having a proper right winger on one side and a tucked in wide player operating centrally on the left which is also how I like to see us set up. Having another "Di Maria" sort of a winger on the right would overcrowd the central areas.
That may often be the case but the part you quoted isn't wrong.
But he's still here, isn't he? we don't allow our top players leave to domestic rivals, you see. Kagawa could easily become as effective as Ozil in the next few years. Time will tell though.
I wouldn't take anything from the teams he is playing so far. He'd be daft to come in and bring in a new system to a successful team, especially with the pressure already on the results. If he's going to change things he'll work hard on it in training first before he brings it in over time.
Spot on. Its a shame to see a top player go to a rival but that's the reality of the position the club found themselves in. Ozil was clearly only available once Bale signed. At that point Rooneyt was staying. Perhaps had Ozil been available weeks before things might have been different.
Ozil probably could play wide left - but its not his position and it potentially forces a change in system. I don't get a lot of pundits sayingt "Ozil was exactly what United need" - we might need a creative player, but not in that position, we need a player who can play deeper.
Arsenal now seem to have quite a talented midfield and forward line, perhaps one of the best in the country in terms of first choice. All they lack now is strength in depth in that department and decent cover at the back. Ozil seems to have catapulted them back into favourites for the top four ahead of Spurs and Liverpool. Personally I'm glad as I like to have Arsenal competative.
I think we can do better than just scraping top 4.
This team is very together and has a lot of ability. I don't think we're going to overhaul everyone, but I'd like to see us finish ahead of one of United, Chelsea and City.
This team is very together and has a lot of ability. I don't think we're going to overhaul everyone, but I'd like to see us finish ahead of one of United, Chelsea and City.
Wenger's smile ....
A smile of the purest smugness.
I've read he's ill, so he may not feature tonight?
John Cross reported he missed training.
Disappointing for Arsenal that. Should still beat Sunderland fairly easily though
Too bad would have liked to see him play for Arse today.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/13/andre-villas-boas-ozil-arsenal-tottenham
AVB saying we paid heavily for Ozil & we have lots of players in that position, I'd love to know what players he is referring to.
Him and Per seemed to have picked up a virus while away on international duty. Per is out but Ozil might be able to play.
AVB saying we paid heavily for Ozil & we have lots of players in that position, I'd love to know what players he is referring to.
Him and Per seemed to have picked up a virus while away on international duty. Per is out but Ozil might be able to play.
Says the guy who spent something like 118m pounds.
And by the looks of things it's probably going to take him the guts of this season to work out what his best XI is.
£108m, spread over 7 players, thus an average of £15.5m per player, but this has no bearing on AVB's comments concerning Ozil.
Basically AVB is right, you did spend heavily on someone who plays in positions where Arsenal were already pretty well served. You'd have been much better off spending such cash on a striker and a defender.
Yes, Ozil is an upgrade on whoever he replaces, but not good value in terms of extra bang for your buck compared to what you already had.
£108.5m, spread over 7 players, thus an average of £15.5m per player, but this has no bearing on AVB's comments concerning Ozil.
Basically AVB is right, you did spend heavily on someone who plays in positions where Arsenal were already pretty well served. You'd have been much better off spending such cash on a striker and a defender.
Yes, Ozil is an upgrade on whoever he replaces, but not good value in terms of extra bang for your buck compared to what you already had.
Basically AVB is right, you did spend heavily on someone who plays in positions where Arsenal were already pretty well served. You'd have been much better off spending such cash on a striker and a defender.
Yes, Ozil is an upgrade on whoever he replaces, but not good value in terms of extra bang for your buck compared to what you already had.
Starts.
First assist in the bag already apparently.
Assist-machine.
Assist-machine.
Fantastic touch and assist to Giroud, quality.
First assist for Arsenal. He's the Real deal.
touch was sublime and just knew where Giroud wanted it. First class stuff
World class player, simple as.
at madrids stupidity to get rid of him for half the player in bale.