Moyes So Far!

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So were the only club out of the top ones that have through changes? How many points did we win the league by last season?
Yeah just keep ignoring the truth about last season which was we won it more because others were so poor rather than we were so good.
So, new manager, new ideas, new tactics which will take a while to bed in. Moyes will need time to get to know his players, their personalities, how to manage each player individually, how to motivate and drive each player. They all react differently to different man management techniques. New coaching staff, new training methods which will in turn take time to bed in. A squad with a few thin areas and Moyes timing of his take over meant he had in real terms no time to get in place the players he needs to target to improve the squad as to how he wants to play. Firstly he has to work out which existing players can adapt to his ideas and then once he has that worked out he can target correctly the players he can try to buy. It doesnt just happen overnight. there is a fair bit involved. Add in the juggling act with Rooney and the ugly reality is that Rooney will probably want to leave at the end of the season, he wants a change but if we are not looking likely to win something he will be more inclined to want to leave.
Thats just some factors, Moyes has a difficult first season in place and expectations of major silverware are just wildly optimistic.
 
I can imagine Real Madrid hiring a new manager and telling him, "We only won the league by ten points last season, and you've only been managing in La Liga for ten years, and we only offered you a blank cheque to improve the team during the summer, so top 4 is great.
So simplistic but thats the sort of thinking in here.
 
Yeah just keep ignoring the truth about last season which was we won it more because others were so poor rather than we were so good.
So, new manager, new ideas, new tactics which will take a while to bed in. Moyes will need time to get to know his players, their personalities, how to manage each player individually, how to motivate and drive each player. They all react differently to different man management techniques. New coaching staff, new training methods which will in turn take time to bed in. A squad with a few thin areas and Moyes timing of his take over meant he had in real terms no time to get in place the players he needs to target to improve the squad as to how he wants to play. Firstly he has to work out which existing players can adapt to his ideas and then once he has that worked out he can target correctly the players he can try to buy. It doesnt just happen overnight. there is a fair bit involved. Add in the juggling act with Rooney and the ugly reality is that Rooney will probably want to leave at the end of the season, he wants a change but if we are not looking likely to win something he will be more inclined to want to leave.
Thats just some factors, Moyes has a difficult first season in place and expectations of major silverware are just wildly optimistic.
Read my next post.
 
I can imagine Real Madrid hiring a new manager and telling him, "We only won the league by ten points last season, and you've only been managing in La Liga for ten years, and we only offered you a blank cheque to improve the team during the summer, so top 4 is great.
Exactly. It's silly.

His target is to challenge for the title. Whether he meets his target or fulfills expectations is another thing.
 
Rumours are he's losing the dressing room already. IF that is the case, he won't be around long.


If that's the case then he'll probably do a SAF and kick the dissidents out of OT. It happened before at OT (Ince and Kanchelskis come into mind) and it will happen now.

Please god make it that amongst the dissidents there are Young, Valencia and Anderson
 
I can imagine Real Madrid hiring a new manager and telling him, "We only won the league by ten points last season, and you've only been managing in La Liga for ten years, and we only offered you a blank cheque to improve the team during the summer, so top 4 is great.

Aye because we all know that Madrid and Barca's positions at the top of La Liga are constantly under threat from the massive resources of the teams snapping at their heels.

Behave.
 
To be fair this team reminds me of the 94-95 team. At that time we had a fabulous side which had grown a bit too complacent on one side and a group of promising youths pushing for a first team place. The only difference is that Ando is no Ince and Young is definitely not Kanchelskis. So in certain way it should be pretty simple.
 
I can imagine Real Madrid hiring a new manager and telling him, "We only won the league by ten points last season, and you've only been managing in La Liga for ten years, and we only offered you a blank cheque to improve the team during the summer, so top 4 is great.
You want to go down the Madrid route when it comes to managers?
 
You want to go down the Madrid route when it comes to managers?
I don't think anyone would advocate sacking him if we come 4th. We need to be patient. But I think moyes himself would be disappointed if he can't get this squad to at least challenge.
 
I'm not sure I would agree with him that we've played well this season so far and City was the anomaly... we've had two very good games against Swansea and Bayer, but Liverpool and Chelsea were dire and uninspiring respectively.

Rumour has it I'm typing this out whilst making love to a beautiful woman... but this can't be confirmed nor denied.
 
I don't like this last interview, yes the supporters and the opposition knows that if Utd won the title so easily, the fact that the direct competition wasn't as good as they could played a role but there is a difference between knowing it and publicly admitting it for me.
 
I'm not sure I would agree with him that we've played well this season so far and City was the anomaly... we've had two very good games against Swansea and Bayer, but Liverpool and Chelsea were dire and uninspiring respectively.

Rumour has it I'm typing this out whilst making love to a beautiful woman... but this can't be confirmed nor denied.

We were poor for long stretches against Swansea and not exactly inspiring against Palace either.

For me, the one and only really good performance this season was in the CL.

Not fussed about what he said though. How often did the opinions offered by Fergie to the press actually reflect reality? Moyes is trying to fire the players up to bounce back from a dispiriting defeat. Wouldn't really be inspirational management to say "well shit, you could see that coming, to be fair..."
 
I don't think anyone would advocate sacking him if we come 4th. We need to be patient. But I think moyes himself would be disappointed if he can't get this squad to at least challenge.
4th?

If we're going down the Madrid route, winning the league won't guarantee his job. I'd rather go 5 years without a trophy than ape the Real circus.

This may come as a shock to some but there's more to life than winning trophies.
 
4th?

If we're going down the Madrid route, winning the league won't guarantee his job. I'd rather go 5 years without a trophy than ape the Real circus.

This may come as a shock but there's more to life than winning trophies.
What an odd response. Look at longer post i made 5 minutes back. This may come as a shock but I already emphasized that trophies aren't everything, in it.

As for the madrid reference. Who cares about that? Were not madrid, were not going to operate like that. How is what you said relevant to what I said?
 
What an odd response. Look at longer post i made 5 minutes back. This may come as a shock but I already emphasized that trophies aren't everything, in it.

As for the madrid reference. Who cares about that? Were not madrid, were not going to operate like that. How is what you said relevant to what I said?

Well if you take a moment to catch your breath you might realise I wasn't having a pop at you.

Will compared situations with Madrid, I'm simply pointing out that Madrid is the last club we should look to if we want to get some ideas about handling managers.
 
Well if you take a moment to catch your breath you might realise I wasn't having a pop at you.

Will compared situations with Madrid, I'm simply pointing out that Madrid is the last club we should look to if we want to get some ideas about handling managers.
Ah, apologies, I thought it was aimed directly at me.

You're right about the second bit, but I don't think he meant for it to be taken that literally. Just that a club doesn't go from winning title so easily to EXPECTING a top 4 finish. The key word is expecting for me. Given the squad I expect a challenge, and I think so would the management. But that doesn't mean the project isnt a long term one. If we finish 4th but I see signs of real quality in our play, I'll be fine with that. We've chosen moyes for the long term there isn't a doubt about that. But that doesn't mean he and everyone involved won't set high or appropriate expectations of him. Expectations certainly won't be set low. You can't with high ambitions and a great squad.
 
We've got 5 very winnable league games coming up, surprising to hear such defeatist talk from Moyes now. Fact remains we beat City and Chelsea in big games away last year, and we lost to them when we were 12 odd points ahead. I think he was referring to the LB and CM spots when talking about needing 1-2 players to go straight into the First Team which again makes you wonder quite what the feck we were doing in the transfer window.
 
We've got 5 very winnable league games coming up, surprising to hear such defeatist talk from Moyes now. Fact remains we beat City and Chelsea in big games away last year, and we lost to them when we were 12 odd points ahead. I think he was referring to the LB and CM spots when talking about needing 1-2 players to go straight into the First Team which again makes you wonder quite what the feck we were doing in the transfer window.
It was an utterly honest interview from him. No, I am not putting down our win last season, but there is still a lack of quality in the first team. Lb? Okay... but the wingers have been absolutely dire for more than a year now.
 
A good manager deflects attention away from players a weak manager blames others and overstates poor performances as being good.
 
We've got 5 very winnable league games coming up, surprising to hear such defeatist talk from Moyes now. Fact remains we beat City and Chelsea in big games away last year, and we lost to them when we were 12 odd points ahead. I think he was referring to the LB and CM spots when talking about needing 1-2 players to go straight into the First Team which again makes you wonder quite what the feck we were doing in the transfer window.

Aye. Looks clear that Moyes wanted Fellaini and Baines, plus a top class CM. At least that is what the available evidence points to. The less involved he was in the actual dealings, the more reason we have to - if not rejoice than at least be pleased with the new manager: His priorities seems very reasonable. Couple of midfielders, including a top class man. Baines? Well, that's debatable. But Evra isn't getting any younger and bringing in a LB as such isn't an insane idea, especially if Moyes regards both the twins mainly as RBs.

You could say this interview reads as: "Look, I have a fair idea what the problem is, but I need time - and maybe a couple of signings more - to sort it out." Should he say this in public? Well, why not? To me it's not about getting the excuses in early - it's more about reminding the fans that this season may be far rougher than what they're used to. As for the impact it has on the players - he presumably talks to them personally. He doesn't communicate with 'em via press conferences. They will have been told precisely what he thinks about the City match and the season start as such. Hopefully what he has done is to make it absolutely clear to them all that now is the time to step up and play to the maximum of your abilities, to make a real impression on the new man in charge if you want to stick around.
 
It was an utterly honest interview from him. No, I am not putting down our win last season, but there is still a lack of quality in the first team. Lb? Okay... but the wingers have been absolutely dire for more than a year now.


We're 5 games in and he's talking about 'taking blows' but seemingly blaming SAF and the players, it's been Moyes' choice to play Young and Valencia. There's plenty of quality, Moyes has been reluctant to use a good chunk of our squad. Evans, Rafael, Kagawa, Hernandez, Nani and to latter extents Fabio, Januzaj, Zaha and Lingard haven't a look in. The last four all impressed on tour and he's not really bothered with them since. I appreciate they're young but Moyes has been very cagey so far and understandably so. This interview is wide of the mark for me and smacks of trying to downplay expectations. In my mind get a quality midfielder and play the right players and this team is more than good enough. I expected more positivity with the run of games we have.
 
We're 5 games in and he's talking about 'taking blows' but seemingly blaming SAF and the players, it's been Moyes' choice to play Young and Valencia. There's plenty of quality, Moyes has been reluctant to use a good chunk of our squad. Evans, Rafael, Kagawa, Hernandez, Nani and to latter extents Fabio, Januzaj, Zaha and Lingard haven't a look in. The last four all impressed on tour and he's not really bothered with them since. I appreciate they're young but Moyes has been very cagey so far and understandably so. This interview is wide of the mark for me and smacks of trying to downplay expectations. In my mind get a quality midfielder and play the right players and this team is more than good enough. I expected more positivity with the run of games we have.

Is that not wise, though? He is talking to the media, and thus by extension the fans - many of whom are impatient, demanding, used to immense success under Fergie. I doubt he tells his staff and the players that it's alright to lower the bar in any way.
 
We're 5 games in and he's talking about 'taking blows' but seemingly blaming SAF and the players, it's been Moyes' choice to play Young and Valencia. There's plenty of quality, Moyes has been reluctant to use a good chunk of our squad. Evans, Rafael, Kagawa, Hernandez, Nani and to latter extents Fabio, Januzaj, Zaha and Lingard haven't a look in. The last four all impressed on tour and he's not really bothered with them since. I appreciate they're young but Moyes has been very cagey so far and understandably so. This interview is wide of the mark for me and smacks of trying to downplay expectations. In my mind get a quality midfielder and play the right players and this team is more than good enough. I expected more positivity with the run of games we have.
It's more of a homage to SAF. I am sure even SAF knows there is a weakness in the team (Who couldn't have seen the midfield for 6 years now!)

I agree that we haven't made best use of Kagawa, Nani and Hernandez, but then I am not sure what goes behind the scene. I can only assume that they are not match fit. Guess we will come to know it tonight. As for the young 'uns, I really doubt we would see much of Zaha, Januzaj and Lingard. They still need time acclimatising to the rigours the PL. We might see them in one off matches, but I wouldn't hold much expectations of them right now.

I think Moyes is just being honest here. What else do you really want him to say? That he is happy with the squad blah blah.. As if that would go down well with the supporters.
 
Does anyone remember our slump from 2003 to 2006? I suppose we could be headed that direction while Moyes gets used to United. He needs to win a couple of cups in the meantime.
 
I don't think he said anything particularly new. We all know that our squad isn't, for example, 11 points better than everyone else without Fergie attached. We all know we're lacking a bit of real quality. Arguably he could have kept his thoughts to himself but right now I suspect he's just trying to manage expectations.
 
It's more of a homage to SAF. I am sure even SAF knows there is a weakness in the team (Who couldn't have seen the midfield for 6 years now!)

I agree that we haven't made best use of Kagawa, Nani and Hernandez, but then I am not sure what goes behind the scene. I can only assume that they are not match fit. Guess we will come to know it tonight. As for the young 'uns, I really doubt we would see much of Zaha, Januzaj and Lingard. They still need time acclimatising to the rigours the PL. We might see them in one off matches, but I wouldn't hold much expectations of them right now.

I think Moyes is just being honest here. What else do you really want him to say? That he is happy with the squad blah blah.. As if that would go down well with the supporters.


He doesn't really need to say anything. You can be honest about us not playing well enough etc. but he doesn't need to lament the fact we are 1-2 players short in his eyes after the clusterfeck of a transfer window we just had.
 
Is that not wise, though? He is talking to the media, and thus by extension the fans - many of whom are impatient, demanding, used to immense success under Fergie. I doubt he tells his staff and the players that it's alright to lower the bar in any way.


To be honest I think everyone lowered expectations anyway, my gut feeling was 3rd this season with a Cup hopefully.
 
Does anyone remember our slump from 2003 to 2006? I suppose we could be headed that direction while Moyes gets used to United. He needs to win a couple of cups in the meantime.


And United recovered. The last 7 years have had United fans spoilt so much, I fear he will be hounded out if you finish any lower than 2nd!
 
And United recovered. The last 7 years have had United fans spoilt so much, I fear he will be hounded out if you finish any lower than 2nd!


Does that remind you of any other club? "Hounded" out by the owner for finishing second! :wenger:



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http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/24/david-moyes-manchester-united-liverpool

Looks like he is preparing us for more defeats. Very poor from Moyes.

Sounds like Brendon coming out with excuses, its a small time mentality.

The squad is more than good enough to win the league, Moyes limited ability will put paid to that. Nothing he has done so far has impressed anyone greatly.

Yeah, you're right. We're fecked. Just plain fecked and doomed. Out of interest, what do you suggest we do - you know, in order to somehow alleviate this hellish state of affairs, at least a little? Light some candles?
 
Exactly, and do you want to turn into us minus the money that actually meant we could still win things and hire top class managers?


Werent you the same guy who constantly argued that money alone couldnt bring you success?

Basically you are sort of admitting now that it was only because Sir Alex was a genius that you and Man city didnt win the last 7 titles.
 
Werent you the same guy who constantly argued that money alone couldnt bring you success?

Basically you are sort of admitting now that it was only because Sir Alex was a genius that you and Man city didnt win the last 7 titles.


Of course and it alone cant bring you success, many clubs are examples of that, however if you are going to chop and change managers you need to have money.

And I have always admitted that SAF genius was what made United so successful, if anything it proves the point doesn't it?
 
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/24/david-moyes-manchester-united-liverpool

Looks like he is preparing us for more defeats. Very poor from Moyes.

Sounds like Brendon coming out with excuses, its a small time mentality.

The squad is more than good enough to win the league, Moyes limited ability will put paid to that. Nothing he has done so far has impressed anyone greatly.

Christ, you're a miserable cnut aren't you. Nobody is buying what you're saying, so why not give it a rest?

On a side note, I'm glad Moyes acknowledged the poor form of City and Chelsea last season. He definitely sees the flaws that we've all been seeing for the last couple of years.
 
A good manager deflects attention away from players a weak manager blames others and overstates poor performances as being good.

Rubbish, a good manager gets the best out of what he has at his disposal.

Coming in in the first month and publicly criticising the players would have been an incredibly stupid thing to do. It's basically what everyone is laughing at Paulo DI Canio for.
 
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