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So why bother posting it?
Just trying to stir the shit?
Just trying to stir the shit?
Yeah just keep ignoring the truth about last season which was we won it more because others were so poor rather than we were so good.So were the only club out of the top ones that have through changes? How many points did we win the league by last season?
So simplistic but thats the sort of thinking in here.I can imagine Real Madrid hiring a new manager and telling him, "We only won the league by ten points last season, and you've only been managing in La Liga for ten years, and we only offered you a blank cheque to improve the team during the summer, so top 4 is great.
Read my next post.Yeah just keep ignoring the truth about last season which was we won it more because others were so poor rather than we were so good.
So, new manager, new ideas, new tactics which will take a while to bed in. Moyes will need time to get to know his players, their personalities, how to manage each player individually, how to motivate and drive each player. They all react differently to different man management techniques. New coaching staff, new training methods which will in turn take time to bed in. A squad with a few thin areas and Moyes timing of his take over meant he had in real terms no time to get in place the players he needs to target to improve the squad as to how he wants to play. Firstly he has to work out which existing players can adapt to his ideas and then once he has that worked out he can target correctly the players he can try to buy. It doesnt just happen overnight. there is a fair bit involved. Add in the juggling act with Rooney and the ugly reality is that Rooney will probably want to leave at the end of the season, he wants a change but if we are not looking likely to win something he will be more inclined to want to leave.
Thats just some factors, Moyes has a difficult first season in place and expectations of major silverware are just wildly optimistic.
Exactly. It's silly.I can imagine Real Madrid hiring a new manager and telling him, "We only won the league by ten points last season, and you've only been managing in La Liga for ten years, and we only offered you a blank cheque to improve the team during the summer, so top 4 is great.
Rumours are he's losing the dressing room already. IF that is the case, he won't be around long.
I can imagine Real Madrid hiring a new manager and telling him, "We only won the league by ten points last season, and you've only been managing in La Liga for ten years, and we only offered you a blank cheque to improve the team during the summer, so top 4 is great.
You want to go down the Madrid route when it comes to managers?I can imagine Real Madrid hiring a new manager and telling him, "We only won the league by ten points last season, and you've only been managing in La Liga for ten years, and we only offered you a blank cheque to improve the team during the summer, so top 4 is great.
I don't think anyone would advocate sacking him if we come 4th. We need to be patient. But I think moyes himself would be disappointed if he can't get this squad to at least challenge.You want to go down the Madrid route when it comes to managers?
I'm not sure I would agree with him that we've played well this season so far and City was the anomaly... we've had two very good games against Swansea and Bayer, but Liverpool and Chelsea were dire and uninspiring respectively.
Rumour has it I'm typing this out whilst making love to a beautiful woman... but this can't be confirmed nor denied.
4th?I don't think anyone would advocate sacking him if we come 4th. We need to be patient. But I think moyes himself would be disappointed if he can't get this squad to at least challenge.
What an odd response. Look at longer post i made 5 minutes back. This may come as a shock but I already emphasized that trophies aren't everything, in it.4th?
If we're going down the Madrid route, winning the league won't guarantee his job. I'd rather go 5 years without a trophy than ape the Real circus.
This may come as a shock but there's more to life than winning trophies.
What an odd response. Look at longer post i made 5 minutes back. This may come as a shock but I already emphasized that trophies aren't everything, in it.
As for the madrid reference. Who cares about that? Were not madrid, were not going to operate like that. How is what you said relevant to what I said?
I can see Storey doing a Truffaut reference to this quote soon.
Ah, apologies, I thought it was aimed directly at me.Well if you take a moment to catch your breath you might realise I wasn't having a pop at you.
Will compared situations with Madrid, I'm simply pointing out that Madrid is the last club we should look to if we want to get some ideas about handling managers.
It was an utterly honest interview from him. No, I am not putting down our win last season, but there is still a lack of quality in the first team. Lb? Okay... but the wingers have been absolutely dire for more than a year now.We've got 5 very winnable league games coming up, surprising to hear such defeatist talk from Moyes now. Fact remains we beat City and Chelsea in big games away last year, and we lost to them when we were 12 odd points ahead. I think he was referring to the LB and CM spots when talking about needing 1-2 players to go straight into the First Team which again makes you wonder quite what the feck we were doing in the transfer window.
We've got 5 very winnable league games coming up, surprising to hear such defeatist talk from Moyes now. Fact remains we beat City and Chelsea in big games away last year, and we lost to them when we were 12 odd points ahead. I think he was referring to the LB and CM spots when talking about needing 1-2 players to go straight into the First Team which again makes you wonder quite what the feck we were doing in the transfer window.
It was an utterly honest interview from him. No, I am not putting down our win last season, but there is still a lack of quality in the first team. Lb? Okay... but the wingers have been absolutely dire for more than a year now.
We're 5 games in and he's talking about 'taking blows' but seemingly blaming SAF and the players, it's been Moyes' choice to play Young and Valencia. There's plenty of quality, Moyes has been reluctant to use a good chunk of our squad. Evans, Rafael, Kagawa, Hernandez, Nani and to latter extents Fabio, Januzaj, Zaha and Lingard haven't a look in. The last four all impressed on tour and he's not really bothered with them since. I appreciate they're young but Moyes has been very cagey so far and understandably so. This interview is wide of the mark for me and smacks of trying to downplay expectations. In my mind get a quality midfielder and play the right players and this team is more than good enough. I expected more positivity with the run of games we have.
It's more of a homage to SAF. I am sure even SAF knows there is a weakness in the team (Who couldn't have seen the midfield for 6 years now!)We're 5 games in and he's talking about 'taking blows' but seemingly blaming SAF and the players, it's been Moyes' choice to play Young and Valencia. There's plenty of quality, Moyes has been reluctant to use a good chunk of our squad. Evans, Rafael, Kagawa, Hernandez, Nani and to latter extents Fabio, Januzaj, Zaha and Lingard haven't a look in. The last four all impressed on tour and he's not really bothered with them since. I appreciate they're young but Moyes has been very cagey so far and understandably so. This interview is wide of the mark for me and smacks of trying to downplay expectations. In my mind get a quality midfielder and play the right players and this team is more than good enough. I expected more positivity with the run of games we have.
It's more of a homage to SAF. I am sure even SAF knows there is a weakness in the team (Who couldn't have seen the midfield for 6 years now!)
I agree that we haven't made best use of Kagawa, Nani and Hernandez, but then I am not sure what goes behind the scene. I can only assume that they are not match fit. Guess we will come to know it tonight. As for the young 'uns, I really doubt we would see much of Zaha, Januzaj and Lingard. They still need time acclimatising to the rigours the PL. We might see them in one off matches, but I wouldn't hold much expectations of them right now.
I think Moyes is just being honest here. What else do you really want him to say? That he is happy with the squad blah blah.. As if that would go down well with the supporters.
Is that not wise, though? He is talking to the media, and thus by extension the fans - many of whom are impatient, demanding, used to immense success under Fergie. I doubt he tells his staff and the players that it's alright to lower the bar in any way.
Does anyone remember our slump from 2003 to 2006? I suppose we could be headed that direction while Moyes gets used to United. He needs to win a couple of cups in the meantime.
And United recovered. The last 7 years have had United fans spoilt so much, I fear he will be hounded out if you finish any lower than 2nd!
Does that remind you of any other club?
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http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/24/david-moyes-manchester-united-liverpool
Looks like he is preparing us for more defeats. Very poor from Moyes.
Sounds like Brendon coming out with excuses, its a small time mentality.
The squad is more than good enough to win the league, Moyes limited ability will put paid to that. Nothing he has done so far has impressed anyone greatly.
A good manager deflects attention away from players a weak manager blames others and overstates poor performances as being good.
Exactly, and do you want to turn into us minus the money that actually meant we could still win things and hire top class managers?
Werent you the same guy who constantly argued that money alone couldnt bring you success?
Basically you are sort of admitting now that it was only because Sir Alex was a genius that you and Man city didnt win the last 7 titles.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/24/david-moyes-manchester-united-liverpool
Looks like he is preparing us for more defeats. Very poor from Moyes.
Sounds like Brendon coming out with excuses, its a small time mentality.
The squad is more than good enough to win the league, Moyes limited ability will put paid to that. Nothing he has done so far has impressed anyone greatly.
A good manager deflects attention away from players a weak manager blames others and overstates poor performances as being good.