Moyes So Far!

[The Neviller]

Fergie - "...your job now is to stand by your new manager".

It's sad when it takes a Chelsea fan to point this out.

 

[OneUnited24]

Or you could look at it reasonably.

He also could have gotten rid of staff because it's difficult to take control when long time employees are still there.

I don't buy that, at the end of the day he is the manager and im sure the coaches would have respected that. They wouldn't keep telling him "that's not what SAF would do". In fact i'm sure when asked for their opinion they would have helped him more because of what they learnt from SAF. Instead of the current staff that probably think "at Everton that worked really well"

 

[Raees]

I'll get stoned for saying this, but this is exactly the kind of performances we gave a lot of the times against the shitter teams under Fergie over the last 2-3 seasons. Difference was that we'd somehow grind out a win.

I don't see a huge shift in our style from Moyes' perspective to entirely blame him. Perhaps the difference is that SAF knew how to change a game better in the 2nd half.

Exactly, and do we really want to go another 4-5 years of grinding out results and winning titles in such an ugly manner and fall flat in the CL against real quality? I don't... I'd rather take all the blows now, get rid of the shite players in the squad and take the opportunity to rebuild on all fronts. This side has been struggling with a post 07/08 hangover for years, it really does need fresh blood across all areas of the pitch bar up front.

 

[iAm20Legend]

This is what got me, he had a staff who had learnt so much from SAF and could have helped his transition but he was so eager to stamp his mark on the team he brought people from Everton - no wonder we look like them now

Yeah.. this is starting to look like a bad move now.. But maybe we need to give them some time.

 

[charleysurf]

I'll get stoned for saying this, but this is exactly the kind of performances we gave a lot of the times against the shitter teams under Fergie over the last 2-3 seasons. Difference was that we'd somehow grind out a win.

I don't see a huge shift in our style from Moyes' perspective to entirely blame him. Perhaps the difference is that SAF knew how to change a game better in the 2nd half.

Last season we were like that loads of times but RVP would get a goal from nowhere, and all would be well. I think Fergie knew he was getting out just in time. Major surgery still required to the squad.

 

[vanrooney]

What i dont get is why Buttner played instead of Evra and why Rafael didnt feature (providing he isnt injured). I think with solid FB we would have had a better chance. Jones isnt great at rb imo and Buttner is just not good enough. Moyes's changes were quite strange but we have to give him time. Lets hope we make the turnaround soon.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

I'll get stoned for saying this, but this is exactly the kind of performances we gave a lot of the times against the shitter teams under Fergie over the last 2-3 seasons. Difference was that we'd somehow grind out a win.

I don't see a huge shift in our style from Moyes' perspective to entirely blame him. Perhaps the difference is that SAF knew how to change a game better in the 2nd half.

We're defiantly more rigid and create less under Moyes, that's clear for everyone to see.

 

[An Irish Red]

Inherited a questionable team I suppose, needs to settle on his First XI ASAP.

He really didn't though, he inherited a squad who won the league at a canter.

This systematic lowering of expectations highlights my problem with Moyes; any manager good enough for us would have been expected to come in here and win the league, or at least come close, with this squad. The fact that you get so many reds saying things like 'I'd be happy with fourth' just screams to me that we all suspect deep down that he's not good enough.

I thought in the summer that he wasn't right for us and nothing I've seen has made me change my mind. I just really, really hope I'm wrong.

 

[kouroux]

Last season we were like that loads of times but RVP would get a goal from nowhere, and all would be well. I think Fergie knew he was getting out just in time. Major surgery still required to the squad.

Surgery followed by massive hypnosis.

 

[OneUnited24]

Yeah.. this is starting to look like a bad move now.. But maybe we need to give them some time.

Im not calling for his head but can any United fan say they aren't worried with how the team looks 6 games in? Coupled with a failed transfer window (how many players rejected us?) and the failures on the pitch Moyes really has a up-hill task right now

 

[Sam]

Last season we were like that loads of times but RVP would get a goal from nowhere, and all would be well. I think Fergie knew he was getting out just in time. Major surgery still required to the squad.

I think that is a very good point.

 

[charleysurf]

We'll be alright. Anyone who thought it would be plain sailing after Fergie left was deluding themselves. This is a tough time for our club, but we'll get there.

yeah, United will win a game again one day!

The odd period of failure can be good. Shakes out the bandwagoners from the real fans.

 

[Varun]

Inherited a questionable team I suppose, needs to settle on his First XI ASAP. If he wants to press we need to push the youth forward, we'll be ok but he needs to be more proactive.

Cmon. Its early to blame moyes but its not a questionable team at all. Its the team that won the league last season and comfortably at that and even now without any major summer signings (which Moyes had the chance to improve whatever position he wanted) is perhaps the best squad in the league.

 

[Garethw]

Last season we were like that loads of times but RVP would get a goal from nowhere, and all would be well. I think Fergie knew he was getting out just in time. Major surgery still required to the squad.

Totally agree.

 

[Sky1981]

Exactly, and do we really want to go another 4-5 years of grinding out results and winning titles in such an ugly manner and fall flat in the CL against real quality? I don't... I'd rather take all the blows now, get rid of the shite players in the squad and take the opportunity to rebuild on all fronts. This side has been struggling with a post 07/08 hangover for years, it really does need fresh blood across all areas of the pitch bar up front.

The player are not shite, maybe bar Rio and Buttner today...

We can't simply afford to buy Messi and Inniesta needed for Moyes to up his game. If we managed to buy Messi , Ronaldo, Inniesta, Fabregas etc. We probably could install Ole as manager and still walk the league.

The reason most of us here backs Moyes is tradition, ethic, and all things intangible while neglecting the very important aspect : winning matches.

 

[Castia]

He needs time everybody knows that but what else can be said about his start at United other than terrible? 3 loses and a draw in 6 games, leaving us possibly 15th in the league is a shocking start to say the least.

 

[Dominos]

Bad day at the office, but it changes nothing. The learning curve was always going to be pretty steep

If only there were managers out there that had coached at a top club before...

Seriously though, how long has he got to 'learn' and what's the minimum requirement for the team whilst he does that?

I did my fair share of moaning about the teams performances last season, but the fact is the team we were left with was the best in the league but just outside Europe's elite... Losing a great manager is a setback to our aims of progressing but a club of our size and stature should have had ambition to build on what we had to put us on a level with the likes of Barca and Bayern or at least a little closer. For us to go to the other end of the spectrum and say "you know what, success is nice and all but I'd rather have a mediocre couple of seasons whilst the new guy learns the ropes" I don't really think is acceptable.

 

[Saliph]

The problem is still CM. We have a great strikeforce, decent wingers, a good defence (usually) and a great GK. We've all been screaming for strengthening CM for years now, and pretty much nothing has happened (except Fellaini, who is plainly not good enough), and when CM is not working properly it affects the entire team. We're now paying the price.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Cmon. Its early to blame moyes but its not a questionable team at all. Its the team that won the league last season and comfortably at that and even now without any major summer signings (which Moyes had the chance to improve whatever position he wanted) is perhaps the best squad in the league.

Sick and tired of hearing this. The greatest manager of all time was in charge of that team.

 

[nimic]

No they wont. Pay two managers salaries this year? Don't be daft.

Finishing outside of the top 4 would be far, far costlier than a year's salary for Moyes. That said, he has a five year contract (right?), so I'm not sure what could happen there.

 

[Rolledo]

We had lackluster performances under SAF for sure, but not as slow, static and unimaginative as today. It never felt like we would create anything. Baffling and quite shocking.

 

[thepolice123]

I'll get stoned for saying this, but this is exactly the kind of performances we gave a lot of the times against the shitter teams under Fergie over the last 2-3 seasons. Difference was that we'd somehow grind out a win.

I don't see a huge shift in our style from Moyes' perspective to entirely blame him. Perhaps the difference is that SAF knew how to change a game better in the 2nd half.

Second this. Moyes' got Fergie's weaknesses, but none of his strengths. Old school wingplay, unimaginative attacking, squarish football. What Fergie had was outstanding man-management skills and the ability to adapt quickly. Seldom do you see us coming out for second half and then concede quickly few minutes into it. This is already the second time it happened within a week.

 

[lilcurt]

I'm going to get flamed for this I know...

If Moyes walked I'd be over the fecking moon, never fancied him as the new boss. If you're going to go for a manager who hasn't won anything at least give it to someone up and coming with new fresh ideas (a Laudrup for example - yes I know he won a cup) and if not go with someone with a proven track record. I'm not saying that we should sack him now... he may turn it around and having given him the job he is entitled to a full season but pissing hell it looks to be turning out as a blunder.

Even in press conferences he looks overawed and talks with little confidence in his own and the teams ability. He spent all summer saying how if we don't sign players its OK as we were champions last year, now its going to be up and down because we are missing players in key position and need first team signings. Wise after the event springs to mind.

 

[Saliph]

We had lackluster performances under SAF for sure, but not as slow, static and unimaginative as today. It never felt like we would create anything. Baffling and quite shocking.

Yes we did. Worse too. I don't see much of a change since SAF left yet, and the people who do are deluding themselves.

 

[Julian Denny]

After this, starting Wed, we'll now see if Moyes has any real sort of aptitude for this job.

 

[Sky1981]

He talks like a midtable manager

He plays team like a midtable manager

He brings coaches from a midtable team

He brings player from a midtable team

His best achievement is getting a midtable team into midtable position

But he is expected to emulate SAF

 

[Brophs]

If only there were managers out there that had coached at a top club before...

Seriously though, how long has he got to 'learn' and what's the minimum requirement for the team whilst he does that?

I did my fair share of moaning about the teams performances last season, but the fact is the team we were left with was the best in the league but just outside Europe's elite... Losing a great manager is a setback to our aims of progressing but a club of our size and stature should have had ambition to build on what we had to put us on a level with the likes of Barca and Bayern or at least a little closer. For us to go to the other end of the spectrum and say "you know what, success is nice and all but I'd rather have a mediocre couple of seasons whilst the new guy learns the ropes" I don't really think is acceptable.

Did 'we' say that or have you just decided to make it up?

Here's a clue: it's the latter. Cheerio.

 

[Varun]

Sick and tired of hearing this. The greatest manager of all time was in charge of that team.

Yes, so? This team is riddled with faults just because SAF left? Not good enough to win the league?

 

[Castia]

Yes we did. Worse too. I don't see much of a change since SAF left yet, and the people who do are deluding themselves.

Everything but the fecking results you mean?

 

[kps88]

Yes, so? This team is riddled with faults just because SAF left? Not good enough to win the league?

Yes. No.

 

[lem8sh]

Yes, so? This team is riddled with faults just because SAF left? Not good enough to win the league?

No

 

[Saliph]

Everything but the fecking results you mean?

We had loads of shit results under SAF too.

 

[Randall Flagg]

Yes we did. Worse too. I don't see much of a change since SAF left yet, and the people who do are deluding themselves.

In the slow static games people, moaned about last season we still had a lot of control in those games. And that is what we have been missing so far under Moyes.

 

[lem8sh]

Last season we were like that loads of times but RVP would get a goal from nowhere, and all would be well. I think Fergie knew he was getting out just in time. Major surgery still required to the squad.

Head. Nail. On.

 

[Ole's_toe_poke]

We're defiantly more rigid and create less under Moyes, that's clear for everyone to see.

I'm not sure that's the case. We've been rigid for a while, under Fergie as well. Last couple of seasons we've relied heavily on wing play and that's not changed.

 

[Mystry]

His best achievement is getting a midtable team into midtable position

I would have thought his best achievement was getting a mid table side on a very modest budget into the champions league and to a cup final. But then that wouldn't follow your little pattern.

 

[Dominos]

I'll get stoned for saying this, but this is exactly the kind of performances we gave a lot of the times against the shitter teams under Fergie over the last 2-3 seasons. Difference was that we'd somehow grind out a win.

I don't see a huge shift in our style from Moyes' perspective to entirely blame him. Perhaps the difference is that SAF knew how to change a game better in the 2nd half.

This is what was exciting about getting a new manager in. A new vision, an improved style, not the same mistakes and the same marginalising of players. Instead we went with the a dull option handpicked for his supposed similarities to his predecessor, and then we wonder why it's the same stuff but with shittier results.

 

[charleysurf]

Im not calling for his head but can any United fan say they aren't worried with how the team looks 6 games in? Coupled with a failed transfer window (how many players rejected us?) and the failures on the pitch Moyes really has a up-hill task right now

I just think even if Fergie had stayed for another season then we would have run into some problems. I don't think Fergie still being there would have stopped Rio's form just falling off a cliff. Or Rooney throwing a strop.

Moyes has seen everyone (but Zaha) play in multiple real matches now, for good or will. He has got to prove himself now by:
1) Getting the CB pairing right. Rio is gone, Vidic can't play every game. Evans needs to play every game, and Jones or Smalling need to get games in that position.
2) Getting the most out of Fellaini. He's his only signing. He has to make it work. But Cleverley needs to be heavily used as well.
3) Using the wingers right. Young looks out of favour, rightly. Nani is obviously the main winger. Besides him he needs to figure out how to use Valencia, Zaha and Januszaj in the best way.

 

[lilcurt]

Like I said earlier the big questions arent todays performance, its how were all the coaching aloud to leave and the new team brought in. It smacks of...

"Oh, I'll sort my mates out with a job and give some of the popular guys in the new office promotions. They'll love me for that!"

Coaching is a skilled job and in Rene we had a coach renowned to be one of the best and proven... You don't take over a company by sacking everyone who made it successful you transition slowly and learn from people already there!

 

[nimic]

Yes, so? This team is riddled with faults just because SAF left? Not good enough to win the league?

Yes. No.

No

What a load of rubbish. This is not a bad team. Fergie is a true great, and he worked wonders, but let's not start pretending that he took some sort of average squad to an almost record-breaking Premier League finish. Anyone who thinks this squad isn't capable of winning the league under a capable manager is insane. That doesn't mean I fully expect Moyes to win the league in his first season, but I do expect him to make a damn good effort at it.