Moyes is the manager who picked Rio. Lots of posters, myself included, have mentioned how shit Rio has been so far yet Moyes has continually picked him so he can't be surprised. It's not all his fault, some of the players can do better than they are and I believe David Moyes is a good manager who, if given time, will do a good job. However, he's the one picking the players, playing negative football and he was apparently part of the reason why the transfer window was such a feck-up of dithering, low-balling and then spending £27m on Fellaini. It's up to him to prove he's up to it, I think he is but it's been a really poor start.
Moyes So Far!
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It is the manager's job to motivate the players, it is his job to make sure that the players that plays are mentally and physically ready.
It is his job to see that things are not working and what have he done?
Putting Fellaini up top and hoping for goals is very midtable ways.
And to think some of us wants a hard group in CL... lol... wonder what barca can do to this shite team today
Okay, here's the thing. Yes, it's true that the players share a lot of the blame for results like this. However, every manager has to deal with players that aren't always playing at their best. God knows Ferguson had his share of terrible games where players just didn't seem bothered. But at the end of the day the manager is in charge. When we start getting too many of these is when we have to start looking at Moyes.
Even with our very difficult opening fixture list our performances so far have been far from acceptable.
Even with our very difficult opening fixture list our performances so far have been far from acceptable.
Evans is alright but Rio has really been shit this season. Add to that a CM of Anderson and Carrick (booked after 15-20 minutes) and we were asking for trouble.
Can't understand the praise Nani has been getting. Absolutely gash. A couple of one-twos and a couple of crosses is simply not what we're waiting for. And you got to wonder what the feck Moyes was doing taking Kagawa out (injured?). He was ten times better the Nani in the first half. Mind boggling.
Looking out of his depth. Looks overwhelmed by this level. Our team had got no creativity, no attacking movement and are a shambles at the back. All we do is pass the ball sideways.
Voila!
Pressure's on big time. The players have really let him, the fans and themselves down. But this needs to be a wake up call for everyone. Moyes is gonna feel the full weight of expectation now. We are better than this and we know it. He needs to get through to the players and inspire them. That can start with the team selections. Certain individuals have helped make his decisions easier and let's hope he's brave enough to make them. Next league game is a must win, no matter what.
That stat is just embarrassing. How could we possibly achieve that?
That stat is just embarrassing. How could we possibly achieve that?
Bad day at the office, but it changes nothing. The learning curve was always going to be pretty steep and, much like players, he'll improve as he gets used to the place and grows in confidence.
Inherited a questionable team I suppose, needs to settle on his First XI ASAP. If he wants to press we need to push the youth forward, we'll be ok but he needs to be more proactive.
The most concerning thing is that we always react when going behind in that situation... Always (win, lose or draw). As soon as they scored their second goal I said "now it'll be a siege", it just wasn't. This time we got progressively worse as the game went on. It seems like a change in belief/mentality of the players, as if some spark has just disappeared; is that down to the manager?
Everything up to now has been forgivable. It was a tough start. Today was a disaster.
Even so, with the other results today not too much damage has been done IF he can somehow turn it around.
Even so, with the other results today not too much damage has been done IF he can somehow turn it around.
Save yourselves! Get rid now.
I dunno, this is going to be very hard for him to turn around. The players don't look to be playing for him.
It's not about the players. I'm more concern about our inability to control the game, even at full strength XI. Where does it all have gone?
It's still early but I'm getting really worried. Team selections have gotten better but there are still one or two issues, like his obsession with playing at least one increadibly mediocre player in each team. I'm probably overreacting and I am pissed off at the moment but why was Buttner starting when he's never shown to be able to play for us outside of the league cup. When this comes at the expense of Fabio who in his one start has played well and should by all accounts by our number back up full back for both spots. And while he can't take total blame for Rio's form, he has been poor in previous games and has played a lot. If anyone needed a rest today it was him, not Vidic. I'm not faulting him for the way Anderson played seeing as he's shown enough times to be at least capable of being somewhat useful against midtable opposition but he should have been off far sooner.
Well a positive step from him would be to then bench any such players. Rio would be a start.
The squad is not good enough to handle both competitions. We've not scored from open play for 450 minutes...on today's evidence Januzay should be an automatic choice, together with DDG, Carrick, Rooney, RVP, Evra and Vidic
So come on Davey Moyes, we're chucking out our toys; we go wah, wah, waaaaaah.
I actually hope they do take the initiative and get rid if it gets any worse.
Exactly. He knew where he needed to strengthening but chose NOT to and to work with what he has. I have no sympathy for for that. I'm probably of the few who lowered my expectations since our shocking transfer window lack of activity.
Very sad to have low expectations from a team which Has Rooney and RvP i know.
It's absolutely a wishful thinking at the moment. He could improve or could not. At the moment he is looking worse than Hodgson.
100%
Order of my anger:
1) Sacking of successful coaching staff
2) Making us look like idiots in the transfer market
3) Signing Fellaini
4) Team selection and style of play so far. Ashley Young FFS!
5) The joke of transfer deadline day and maybe not signing Ozil
Then the players won't play for many coaches. That's on the players. They are grown men playing professional football. 6 games into a new manager and they are embarrassing themselves.
This is a combination of Moyes making poor choices and a casual attitude that has infected the squad for a couple of years now.
Fergie - "...your job now is to stand by your new manager".
Wait, you think Moyes deliberately chose not to sign any other players?
This is what got me, he had a staff who had learnt so much from SAF and could have helped his transition but he was so eager to stamp his mark on the team he brought people from Everton - no wonder we look like them now
Exactly, and we will stand by him. However if his failure to strengthen the squad costs him his job its no ones fault but his own. No one knows how the Glazers will react if this continues, and lets be honest our erratic form will continue simply because the team isnt strong enough especially the midfield.
Or you could look at it reasonably.
He also could have gotten rid of staff because it's difficult to take control when long time employees are still there.
Which most of us will.
I think you're over-egging how bad this actually is. We've had a tough run of games that, based on previous years, we wouldn't have gotten that much more from anyway. This was a bad day all round but we were always going to have teething problems with so much change going on. Yeah, the football's not been great and we've not looked especially cohesive but he's a few months into one of the biggest 'successions' the game has seen. It won't happen overnight.
We'll be alright. Anyone who thought it would be plain sailing after Fergie left was deluding themselves. This is a tough time for our club, but we'll get there.
Thiago "he didn't know to much about and chose to to activate his clause". Law-balling Fabregas and thinking Herrera was too expensive? No.
How about giving Fellaini some time too before saying he's shite? Or is he different?
Struggling.
I'll get stoned for saying this, but this is exactly the kind of performances we gave a lot of the times against the shitter teams under Fergie over the last 2-3 seasons. Difference was that we'd somehow grind out a win.
I don't see a huge shift in our style from Moyes' perspective to entirely blame him. Perhaps the difference is that SAF knew how to change a game better in the 2nd half.
I don't see a huge shift in our style from Moyes' perspective to entirely blame him. Perhaps the difference is that SAF knew how to change a game better in the 2nd half.
Following Sir Alex and expecting to be as on-point in terms of motivation is impossible. Sir Alex is a walking legend, he only needs to fart in the dressing room and the players would be dying to smell it.
For Moyes to be a success here he is going to need better players pure and simple, I don't think he has it in him to be able to make champions out of a poor squad, he's not a miracle worker.. most managers are not miracle workers. Even Jose, Pep... they need great teams and groups of players. I can only think of 4 first teamers off the top of my head that merit a place in the team, that is shocking and i feel for Moyes I really do.
He's made mistakes yes but the past two games, he's picked decent teams.. if he resorts back to Valencia and Young then feck me, I'll join in with the burning him at the stake mob but today I felt it was the players to blame, not him.
We've had a couple already...
There was the hope that after that tough run, we'd start to turn a corner. This was a more unexpected shock for us.
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