If the players are not giving their all, then they just going to prove him right. The should be playing their guts out if they want to remain at United. Some are too old to get another big move and as they say it's all down hill after leaving United, unless your Ronaldo of course.
Moyes So Far!
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If the players are not giving their all, then they just going to prove him right. The should be playing their guts out if they want to remain at United. Some are too old to get another big move and as they say it's all down hill after leaving United, unless your Ronaldo of course.
I've seen the English have many a discussion about how English players are trained from an early age and how it hinders growth of England players. We've certainly seen it discussed at length in England and the idea of a quota system. Let's face it, there's a problem and England aren't close to Germany and Spain, the other nations with top leagues. England has a problem and I believe that problem is now festering in this squad.
Cleverly. Not creative enough.
Welbeck. His problem of losing his head in the box seems to have returned.
Young. Awful.
Rooney. Quality.
Jones. Where does he play well?
Evans. Jury still out.
Smalling. Hasn't regained form he has in first season.
Carrick. Great. Starting slow again.
There's a problem.
Maybe 5th is Everton's natural ceiling? I'm not convinced any manager out there would have been able to take Everton beyond that.
The wouldn't not with their stadium and all the mega bucks teams out there. They did it in the past, but it was a more even playing field then.
What makes Moyes so impressive at Everton is not only that they over performed, but that they did it so consistently. To keep motivating the same players to perform to their peak is very impressive and somewhat reminiscent of a certain other Scot. It's why I still think he'll be a success here.
No I'm not saying that. I said I believe there are still good English players. I don't think United should persist with players who aren't any good, and I never said I did.
What I said was that I wouldn't want to see us turn out a completely foreign side. Imo, once we go down the City road, this club will have lost something. It may happen. Doesn't mean I'll have to like it.
This dampening of expectations is very worrying. That isn't characteristic of a winning manager.
I find it strange that he's written off our chances of winning the CL whilst we're still in the competition. Not often Fergie would do that.
Yeah, but City haven't completely gone down the foreign route, have they? They've got Hart, Lescott, Richards, Rodwell, Milner and had Barry up until last season. They're not really a lot more foreign that a side like Arsenal who have at times put a lot of faith in youth. as I say, if the club can maintain homegrown players in their main squad then it's a bonus, but if the foreign players are better then we should be aiming for them. At the moment, the majority of top class players a club like us would look at will be foreign.
Being a "realist" is one thing but we're Manchester United - we were screwed out of a semi final place last season, we ran away with the league last season. Suggesting that we have no chance is absolute lunacy of the highest order.
It's just very, very worrying that someone who was basically appointed on the airy-fairy intangible notions of being similar to Ferguson in mentality keeps exhibiting traits to the opposite.
Hart is the only one playing consistently and if he doesn't improve they might even bench him and buy a foreigner.
What I'm saying is that I wouldn't want to field a team of eleven foreign players which City did, and probably will again.
Moyes problem is that he is not an inspiring person. His body language is defeatist, he is not careful with what he says, he does not have that certain presence or charisma that great managers have. He may have been a competent manager at Everton with fairly consistent PL positions but he never inspired his players to go that extra mile when he had the chance. Think about his FA Cup final and compare with Martinez's last year.
The problem is that the PL are not producing good English players, we would either have to risk taking a punt on an English player from the Championship or hopefully produce our own.
One of the Sundays papers headline is saying he thinks we will fail in Europe as well. Crikey David have some faith in your players.
The United way.
I sincerely hope that Moyes's master plan is to give every player his chance before some wholesale changes next summer.
It's clearly obvious to most now that Anderson, Young, Buttner and a few others are clearly not the standard that Manchester United require... Any one doubting this should ask, would any of these players get in any of the top 10 European sides?
I think many true fans will accept this as a transitional season if the bigger picture is clearer. One of the only only consolations from being baked alive on the K stand yesterday was watching the obvious emerging talents of Adnan Januzaj
It's clearly obvious to most now that Anderson, Young, Buttner and a few others are clearly not the standard that Manchester United require... Any one doubting this should ask, would any of these players get in any of the top 10 European sides?
I think many true fans will accept this as a transitional season if the bigger picture is clearer. One of the only only consolations from being baked alive on the K stand yesterday was watching the obvious emerging talents of Adnan Januzaj
Let's talk about United way later. All that classy attacking youth setup and all would mean nothing if we finishes midtable
Do you think safe got all the time in the world simply because he's classy and plays it United way? He would have been gone along time ago if he didn't couple all that with actually winning stuff!
Our achievement for the next 5 years : looking good playing attractive attacking football, emphasizing in British core player while finishing top 4! Hurray! That's a job well done moyes! (if we finish top 4 that is)
Do you think safe got all the time in the world simply because he's classy and plays it United way? He would have been gone along time ago if he didn't couple all that with actually winning stuff!
Our achievement for the next 5 years : looking good playing attractive attacking football, emphasizing in British core player while finishing top 4! Hurray! That's a job well done moyes! (if we finish top 4 that is)
I agree totally with this and the fans need to be patient
Based on the games we have seen so far I don't expect to see Young, Buttner or Anderson feature much
Rafael needs to play when fit and Rio should be used sparingly
Moyes has been unlucky with the form of some of the players - last year we were conceding 2 away at Southampton, getting outplayed and RVP was dragging us out of trouble
The players are champions - they need to start playing like champions - we need a scrappy 1-0 win and the confidence can grow from there
regardless of what happens this year I expect a really big summer next season with some key additions to the first team - moyes has said as much himself
Up until yesterday he had not chopped and changed his defence at all, apart from right back which was down to injuries.
"To win the Champions League, you need five or six world-class players," he told several national newspapers.
"Look at Bayern Munich, they have it. Look at Barcelona, who had it in the past and Real Madrid, who have maybe got it now. That's the level you have to be at to win it. We've not got that yet but what we have got is experience."
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...e-not-good-enough-to-win-the-champions-league
I would call Rafael, De Gea, Carrick, Vidic, Rooney and RVP world class players but anyway. I don't understand why he has started making those poor excuses, he was happy with the squad less than a month, right?
"Look at Bayern Munich, they have it. Look at Barcelona, who had it in the past and Real Madrid, who have maybe got it now. That's the level you have to be at to win it. We've not got that yet but what we have got is experience."
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...e-not-good-enough-to-win-the-champions-league
I would call Rafael, De Gea, Carrick, Vidic, Rooney and RVP world class players but anyway. I don't understand why he has started making those poor excuses, he was happy with the squad less than a month, right?
He really shouldn't have said that and if this is what he is telling the players face to face it would explain a few things so far this season.
If he falls out with the players we can forget it.
If he falls out with the players we can forget it.
This just makes him look even more like an A class clueless idiot. Ok so why was our main target in the transfer window to keep Rooney and sign Fellaini? This is man Utd and we should have the players/squad to challenge on all fronts.
Erm, I'd say Barcelona still have at least 5 or 6 world class players...
What was the initial question? A bit random to start talking about the lack of world class players and the Champions League at the post match interview, has feck all do the WBA game. I don't really agree with his statement, we have got a good squad with world class players, he just need to learn how to play them.
Like others say the Champions League comment is a bit worrying. One of the things Fergie was brilliant was always making us appear strong. When we'd been beaten or had a poor result, he'd often find a way to try and divert the attention away from that and he rarely admitted outright that we were weak and had no chance in a competition.
This could have one of two effects on the players. Either they will man up and and try to prove him wrong. And if they do, what Moyes said will be looked back on as great management to motivate the players. Or the players will be wondering why the feck the manager has no faith in them and even if he doesn't, then why the feck is he not showing a United front by standing by his player? He could start to lose the dressing room with comments like that tbh.
Yeah I also don't like him telling the press we aren't good enough. He is obviously trying to alleviate pressure or give the players a kick up the arse, but I don't like it. I prefer a bullish mentality and a courageous outlook, even if we aren't good enough to compete with Bayern or Barca.
What a daft thing to say, I'm getting a bit fed up with his comments, what was it midweek? we should expect lot more loses?
Big, big let down to say that to the media Mr Moyes.
I fiercely believe in standing by our manager as SAF said in his farewell speech, however bringing down your players in public like that is unbecoming of Manchester United.
I fiercely believe in standing by our manager as SAF said in his farewell speech, however bringing down your players in public like that is unbecoming of Manchester United.
Maybe, he's just being honest?
Yea certainly but it's a bit of a risk and could backfire.
Hang on Moyes taking a risk but we've all been led to believe he doesn't take those. Hmmmmm
Hmmm, well surely you have to ask what the feck we were doing in the transfer market if this is his belief?
So he wasn't a few weeks ago when he was talking about him being happy with the squad?
To be honest, I'm just not sure. I think he's still somewhere being honestly to Hodgson's comments during his time at Liverpool.
Don't see that he's bringing down his players. His focus is on the collective, as it should be. Nobody who has watched us for the last 2 or 3 years can really put anyone bar RVP in the top echelon of individual performers in world football, anyway. Carrick has been great, but hardly in the top 5 or 6 midfielders in the world, DeGea is on his way, Rafael will get there, Rooney has certainly slipped down the pecking order, Vidic has had a messy couple of years.
Think he's been honest in his assessments so far.
Think he's been honest in his assessments so far.
Honesty sometimes isn't the best remedy when you are trying to build a cohesive unit that is loyal, confident and willing to go the extra mile for you. This is what the transition has been all about: to get the players that performed under SAF to do the same under a new management. SAF may have had his flaws but his greatest strength was to make players believe in themselves and in him as their manager. Comments like these do little to cultivate any meaningful bond between Moyes and the players. We have always been short of standout names in world football but full of a standout team. At the moment we are looking like neither of these.
This is a team used to winning things and when you have a new man coming in who hasn't won anything of note as a manager, the first thing you do is to try and understand the psychology in existence not shatter it. The team looks lost, most players are playing for themselves rather than as a unit. There is no coherent game plan in place, tactical imprint or focus. Absurd mutterings like these should never leave his mouth unless he has proven himself as a winner. Further, Moyes needs to take a long and hard look at past winners of the Champions League to see how were full of his "5 or 6 world class players". Were United in 1999? Bayern in 2001? Porto in 2004? Liverpool in 2005? AC Milan in 2007? Inter in 2010? or Chelsea in 2012?. No but they all had players capable of making things happen, a team built around their strengths that functioned as a well drilled unit and above all players willing to go an extra mile for each other or the manager. Moyes needs to concentrate in building trust between him and his players rather than bash them in public.
This is a team used to winning things and when you have a new man coming in who hasn't won anything of note as a manager, the first thing you do is to try and understand the psychology in existence not shatter it. The team looks lost, most players are playing for themselves rather than as a unit. There is no coherent game plan in place, tactical imprint or focus. Absurd mutterings like these should never leave his mouth unless he has proven himself as a winner. Further, Moyes needs to take a long and hard look at past winners of the Champions League to see how were full of his "5 or 6 world class players". Were United in 1999? Bayern in 2001? Porto in 2004? Liverpool in 2005? AC Milan in 2007? Inter in 2010? or Chelsea in 2012?. No but they all had players capable of making things happen, a team built around their strengths that functioned as a well drilled unit and above all players willing to go an extra mile for each other or the manager. Moyes needs to concentrate in building trust between him and his players rather than bash them in public.
Which mean that he wasn't honest a month ago. Also how then this team who easily won the league last season and would have been at UCL semis, now isn't that good.
AVB was far worse than a few comments to the media about the team not being set to win the Champions League
He completely changed their tactics for one and started playing a highline that some of the bigger egos in the dressing room didn't want to play, in terms of man management he also banished a few first team players to the reserves, IIRC it was Alex and.. maybe Malouda? But anyway, whoever it was it didn't go down well.
Moyes has done nothing like that, his comment was pretty mild IMO
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