Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances
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Failaini lol.
Aren't those excerpts from your latest novel?
I didn't give you permission to publish my match.com profile, Steve.
That was it!
I've never understood all the Fellaini-hate - people have been begging for a midfielder for ages and now we got one and everyone still moans
give him a chance FFS
give him a chance FFS
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Fellatio 
hehe!
hehe!I do get it.
People have been crying for someone who would improve us, not a midfielder who is hardly if at all better than what have already.
Of course he is better - you will see.
I can understand that some are not convinced about his signing (they will be proven wrong), but people saying they are happy he is injured is pathetic
You think Anderson is better than Fellaini?
Im confident that he will prove his doubters wrong just wait and see
God no!
Cleverley is though. Mind you, Tom should be a back to whoever partners Carrick. and Fellaini should be a back to Carrick.
He is clearly a better player than Cleverley and Anderson are, I can't understand how anyone wouldn't be able to see that. it's like people have built up some irrational hatred and dislike for him because he is the resulting outcome of our miserable failed summer in the transfer market, overpriced, not world class, not a creator, etc, when he is still a very good player who will in the long run adapt to become a good player for us. I get the feeling people hold a grudge against him purely for the sake of doing so.
I mean fecking hell, at least he's a midfielder.
I mean fecking hell, at least he's a midfielder.
He is better than them but he's not played like it so far.
So what?
Anderson is at least on par with Fellaini as part of a midfield partnership with Carrick. Neither of them are top central midfielders. Fellaini played his best football as a no10 target man at Everton. There is no spot in our team for such a player, unfortunately for him. I dont blame Fellaini, hes been bought by the biggest club in England - ofc he signs and now hes doing his best.
The issue is that his best position isnt available in our side and that hes not that good at the position hes been asked to play instead - at least not significantly better than our other options. I would rather we play Jones, a young player who would benefit a lot from the experience of real matches, alongside Carrick if we never intended to have a real play maker there. Not a similar, older player who cost us 27m.
I think the transfer is weird and reeks of panic. I hope he can have some good games in the United shirt and wish for him to come back from injury asap, but he just doesnt seem to fit very well into our team. I think even Moyes realised this before he bought him, which is why he wasnt bought instantly. Moyes wanted other players who would fit our system more, but when those transfers fell through he got panicky and bought Fellaini because he didnt want to be seem as too passive on the market in his first transfer window.
The issue is that his best position isnt available in our side and that hes not that good at the position hes been asked to play instead - at least not significantly better than our other options. I would rather we play Jones, a young player who would benefit a lot from the experience of real matches, alongside Carrick if we never intended to have a real play maker there. Not a similar, older player who cost us 27m.
I think the transfer is weird and reeks of panic. I hope he can have some good games in the United shirt and wish for him to come back from injury asap, but he just doesnt seem to fit very well into our team. I think even Moyes realised this before he bought him, which is why he wasnt bought instantly. Moyes wanted other players who would fit our system more, but when those transfers fell through he got panicky and bought Fellaini because he didnt want to be seem as too passive on the market in his first transfer window.
He's been asked to play in the toughest fixtures for a new club compared to Cleverley/Anderson who have been playing the easier games and have been at the club way longer.
How many players instantly fit in to the teams they sign for? Even Ozil, who has done lots of good things so far, is still trying to work out the way Arsenal play. So it shouldn't be a surprise that we haven't yet seen the best of Fellaini.
How can you come to this conclusion? Anderson has had six years alongside Carrick and has still never managed to form a good partnership with him, Fellaini has been here just over a month and has started 2-3 times with Carrick so far, what exactly do you expect from him, that him and Carrick are spontaneously going to forge some mythical bond?
When a player who is quite different to the kind people wanted, who we've paid way more for than he'd worth, who is often thought of as a "lump", starts poorly as he has, it's going to get a bad reaction.
Disagree with pretty much everything there.
He's not clearly better than either of them (especially Cleverley). Cleverley's passing is better than his from what I've seen. Anderson's and Cleverley's movement his better than his. Cleverley's positioning is better than his. Anderson is at least as strong as him.
He is good at chesting and heading the ball and his short passing is decent. Apart from that I'm not quite sure what he is really good at.
I'm not sure he's a midfielder neither. The position he looked best at so far was the number 10 role. Just that we got at least 2 players in that position better than him.
I'm really not impressed so far. But early signs and hopefully he will prove me wrong.
I can see a case for Anderson, but Cleverley is not "clearly" a worse player than Fellaini. Cleverley has bags more talent and is an actual midfielder, not a target man. Fellaini is worse at retaining the ball than Cleverley, and a worse passer of the ball. Those are midfielder abilities. For some reason people keep mistaking fouling and "putting himself about" and other bollocks for good midfielder abilities. They are not - they are a good extra asset to have for attacking players to make their impact more noticeable even when they dont produce chances or goals, but they do not make a player a good midfielder if asked to do a job there. A fouling midfielder just gets himself carded and has to walk on needles for the rest of the game.
Fellaini is a #10 type of player for a mid table side who cant get the real quality 10s like Rooney, Özil etc. Hes very good in that role, technically good for a target man, but he will never get the chance to play there for us because of Rooney and to a lesser extent Kagawa.
Has he really started that poorly though? Our whole team has been poor, he's been in and out, used out of position, hasn't had a pre-season with us, was signed on the 11th hour, and now has an injury.
He's been here a month!
Anderson has never been given prolonged runs alongside Carrick either. Im not saying Anderson is good, just that there is no reason to believe, from Fellaini's attributes as a player, that he will create a better partnership alongside Carrick than the Carrick-Anderson partnership. In any case, Carrick - Cleverley is the obvious partnership because Cleverley is actually a midfielder and not a target man AM who for some reason people think is a good DM because he is big and fouls a lot.
Thiago impressed straight away for Bayern. Özil the same for Arsenal. Isco for Real Madrid and so on.... Big money players you expect to show at least a bit of why you payed so much for them. He hasnt though.
I think, actually, people think he's a DM because he ... is a DM.
Anderson has been given way, way, way more chances than Fellaini alongside Carrick, like I said, he's been here a month.
He's been quite poor. I know he's only been here a month but the knives were out as soon as he signed for us. And the fact that he's met those descriptions of him has only furthered the cause of putting him down.
As for me personally, I'm very confused as to how good he is. I thought he'd be a pretty good signing but I do have my doubts over his technical abilities.
Since when is he a DM? Because he said he can be the new Roy Keane? Hopefully he can become one but atm he lacks positional discipline to be called one already.
Has Bale for Madrid? Has Illamarendi? Did Modric last year? Has Willian?
Some players struggle at the start more than others. It happens. And anyway, the three you've mentioned are all world-class (or will be), nobody is claiming Fellaini will be a world-class footballer so it's hardly fair to mention them. Just another example of his price tag (which isn't his fault) clouding peoples judgement of him as a footballer. If you were expecting an Isco or an Ozil then no wonder you're talking so poorly of him.
He will play for Belgium, he is not injured in their opinion.
It's been a month amol, you should have more sense than to judge whether he can make it here after one month, with no pre-season.
I didn't particularly give a feck if we signed him either but we have and I'm not going to write him off so early on especially when he's barely had a chance yet.
Well that's because Bale just isnt all that and all knew that. Di Maria is a better player than him and Madrid were crazy to spend that much money. But he has all the skills to still improve every aspect of his game. Also Willian just isnt that good anyway. Modric was pretty good. He got treated unfairly imo. Whenever I watched Real he was one of their better players.
Fellaini isnt new to the league, he is no raw talent that still needs to progress. He is pretty much the finished article.
I didnt expect him to be as good as Isco or Özil. He pretty much fullfilled my expectation as beeing just not all that good and spending 27 millions on him beeing crazy.
How on earth is he a DM? What attributes does he possess that make him a DM? Is he a good tackler? No. Is he particularly good at intercepting opponent passes? Hes good at winning lose balls, thats about it. He excels when games are chaotic and fast paced, back and forth with high energy. Alongside Carrick in a midfield 2 thats not what hes gonna get - Carrick is about the most controlled and calculated midfielder in the league. Fellaini is probably able to do a good job in a midfield 3, similar to how Fletcher did for us, but we dont play a midfield 3 with 2 defensive-minded players and I dont see why anyone would want us to.
When he dominated for Everton for a long period last season, what position did he play? DM? No, he played AM, which is his best position.
Just like Valencia and Carrick were the finished articles? It's not like we've ever bought good players from the PL and turned them into better ones or anything.
I'm not judging him as a united player already. It's way too early. But if I think all the times I've seen him, I still find him a hard footballer to judge. And usually I'm able to make up my mind pretty quickly.
The problem with Anderson is that, he looks fat.
He's never going to be special/outstanding enough to become one of the favorites here but am confident in his ability to become a solid midfield player for us. He was unlucky in the sense that even though he is a CM that everyone wanted for a long time, he came in a summer where we were teased with the chance of getting the likes of Thiago and Fabregas. People need to be patient with him though, players take time to get used to a different setup. It really shouldnt have come down to this though, we needed more than 1 CM and if Fellaini was the defensive one we wanted, we should have got him straightaway and let him have a frigging pre season with the lads. His pending surgery only worsens things now. Unlucky for us and him.
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