Shinji Kagawa

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It's embarrassing.

More look at how wacky and controversial shite from the muppets that infest OT.

Get out your Fellaini wigs lads we're mental.

If you're like to sing that you haven't the right to complain when Scousers give it the Munich.
 
He practically does this when he plays from the left.

Maybe he was hinting about a Bayern'esque 4-1-4-1 formation, wherein he does not have to drop to the side often.

Rafael -- Evans -- Vidic -- Evra
---------- Carrick -------------
Nani - Rooney - Kagawa -Wellbeck
------------ RvP---------------

But again that depends on how much you trust Carrick to protect the back 4. Rooney can and will drop deep, but the others are a bit dicey. Infact I think it would be much better with Fellaini i/o Kagawa! I think it would be a disaster.

Personally, I think Kagawa is a mis-fit to the team and his talent is being wasted here. We will stick by 4-4-2 or a 4-4-1-1 formation and both suits Rooney more than Kagawa.
 
Playing just one real CM and so many attacking players is risky. It needs a Cleverley/Anderson/Fellaini/ for balance imo or altenatively Jones as the defensive screen with Carrick in the 4
 
The elephant in the room right now is RvP, he really hasn't looked half-arsed for some time. I wouldn't mind seeing Januzaj--Kagawa--Nani starting behind Rooney. Not against Southampton, mind.
He was good in the community shield and brilliant against Swansea. Then we played two games against god teams where he got very little service. Then he got injured and has looked rusty since. Not a great start to the season from him but he's still got 6 goals for despite us lacking creativity and offering much service from midfield.
 
What he need now is more players to associate their football with him. He is suffering, and rightly so, because our play is too slow and ponderous. At Dortmund he had the likes of Gotze and Lewandowski who uses each other like a billiard table cushion to play one-twos and penetrate the defence quickly. Here, there's a distinct lack of movement in our players and they aren't exactly geared towards the passing game. It is obvious why Moyes prefers Januzaj over Kagawa and it is due the lack of fluidity in our play. He needed someone who is more individualistic, someone can dribble and beat players from a standstill position rather than someone who takes oppositions apart with his passing and movement.

Traditionally, we've always had wingers/wide midfielders who did their job on the ball (i.e dribbling and crossing) with Park being the exception. Kagawa, to me, represents somewhat of a change, his game is all about what he does off the ball, if we bought him because of his technical ability with the ball, then I think we bought the wrong player.
 
Anyone know how he got on today?

Not a good game from him, but he did seem to wake up in the last 10-15 minutes when Japan was chasing an equalizer against a Belarus team that had completely parked the bus. I guess that's a good thing to take back to England, seeing as he's been criticized for fading later in the game.
 
Manchester United midfielder Shinji Kagawa says Japan form is suffering due to lack of chances at Old Trafford

Japan midfielder Shinji Kagawa says lack of first-team football at Manchester United is affecting his form with national side

By Mark Ogden
16 Oct 2013

Shinji Kagawa has voiced renewed concerns over his lack of first-team football at Manchester United by claiming his reduced role at Old Trafford is affecting his international form with Japan.

The former Borussia Dortmund midfielder has made just one Premier League appearance this season, with manager David Moyes initially claiming that the 24-year-old’s disrupted pre-season programme has left Kagawa battling to rediscover match fitness.

In recent weeks, Moyes cited tactical reasons for withdrawing Kagawa at half-time during the 2-1 defeat against West Bromwich Albion and also pointed to the need to assess the squad left behind by Sir Alex Ferguson when explaining the Japanese player’s absences.

But after playing in Japan’s friendlies against Serbia and Belarus this week, Kagawa admitted he needs to play more regularly at United in order to regain his form and fitness.

“There's a matter of fitness and there's also that atmosphere of playing for my country,” Kagawa said. "It's different from the atmosphere at United, but you still get a good feel for being on the pitch when you play regularly.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...g-due-to-lack-of-chances-at-Old-Trafford.html



Matters are perhaps coming to a head, the inference being that Kagawa will leave either on loan or permanently in January unless things change before then.
 
I wonder where he'll go. Back to Dortmund seems most likely, but if they're not interested, I'm not sure whether his stock has fallen enough for no top club to be in for him.
 
“There's a matter of fitness and there's also that atmosphere of playing for my country,” Kagawa said. "It's different from the atmosphere at United, but you still get a good feel for being on the pitch when you play regularly"
"Maybe it's because I'm not used to being on the pitch of late, but I didn't feel like I was able to enter these two games properly.
“During tough times like these I have to improve myself.
"Personally, I felt strongly after these two matches (against Serbia and Belarus) that I need to play more and, as a team, there are many things we need to do

There is absolutely zero in that statement that is moaning. He's just stating fact. And he even says he has to improve, not putting anything on the manager or team. Any player's form suffers from lack of playing time and he's saying he needs to step it up and get more.

What's the problem?
 
There is absolutely zero in that statement that is moaning. He's just stating fact. And he even says he has to improve, not putting anything on the manager or team. Any player's form suffers from lack of playing time and he's saying he needs to step it up and get more.

What's the problem?

How does he step it up if he isn't given enough game time to do so?
 
What he need now is more players to associate their football with him. He is suffering, and rightly so, because our play is too slow and ponderous. At Dortmund he had the likes of Gotze and Lewandowski who uses each other like a billiard table cushion to play one-twos and penetrate the defence quickly. Here, there's a distinct lack of movement in our players and they aren't exactly geared towards the passing game. It is obvious why Moyes prefers Januzaj over Kagawa and it is due the lack of fluidity in our play. He needed someone who is more individualistic, someone can dribble and beat players from a standstill position rather than someone who takes oppositions apart with his passing and movement.

Traditionally, we've always had wingers/wide midfielders who did their job on the ball (i.e dribbling and crossing) with Park being the exception. Kagawa, to me, represents somewhat of a change, his game is all about what he does off the ball, if we bought him because of his technical ability with the ball, then I think we bought the wrong player.


Agree with this, doesn't sound too good his latest moan. I think he'll be gone before long I really do.
 
I really hope he can turn things around here, he's got a lot of talent but I'm just not sure we'll ever play a system that will get the best out of him.
 
Young and Valencia must have been absolutely fantastic in training - showing all kinds of things because that's all that matters right, what they show in training? Didn't Moyes say at one point he didn't know enough about Kagawa and wasn't it the club's decision to play him against his old club and then give him time off completely disrupting his pre-season and a chance to impress the manager then? After which the well they've been travelling and not had a proper pre-season and then the use of "safe" choices at the start of the season even though those choices were far from safe.

I very much doubt Kagawa isn't showing enough in training because Fergie said Kagawa trains really well. Most reasonable explanation is that Moyes just doesn't rate him at this point and only way he is going to get a chance to change his mind is get time on the pitch for him and subbing him off at half time or playing every 4th or 5th game is hardly going to help him either.
 
Young and Valencia must have been absolutely fantastic in training - showing all kinds of things because that's all that matters right, what they show in training? Didn't Moyes say at one point he didn't know enough about Kagawa and wasn't it the club's decision to play him against his old club and then give him time off completely disrupting his pre-season and a chance to impress the manager then? After which the well they've been travelling and not had a proper pre-season and then the use of "safe" choices at the start of the season even though those choices were far from safe.

I very much doubt Kagawa isn't showing enough in training because Fergie said Kagawa trains really well. Most reasonable explanation is that Moyes just doesn't rate him at this point and only way he is going to get a chance to change his mind is get time on the pitch for him and subbing him off at half time or playing every 4th or 5th game is hardly going to help him either.
Valencia has played better than Kagawa this season and he's started the same number of games as Young. Nobody's fault but his own that he's shied away in games.
 
I wonder where he'll go. Back to Dortmund seems most likely, but if they're not interested, I'm not sure whether his stock has fallen enough for no top club to be in for him.


Plenty of middling/top clubs will be in for him if he doesn't go back to Dortmund which would be the most likely outcome.

Hes still a good player regardless of his form at United.
 
It's embarrassing.

More look at how wacky and controversial shite from the muppets that infest OT.

Get out your Fellaini wigs lads we're mental.

If you're like to sing that you haven't the right to complain when Scousers give it the Munich.

:lol:
 
I find nothing wrong with his statements, nor do I see a hint of moaning. Even when he is not getting the chances, he is always talking about improving and doesn't blame the manager. It may not work out for him here, but it won't be because of his attitude.
 
Christ, he likes a good interview doesn't he.

He's the star for Japan. Imagine the media over here if Rooney moved abroad and wasn't getting a game.

As for his pitch time. Januzaj has shown that if you take your chance when given the opportunity you'll be rewarded for it. Kagawa simply hasn't done that.
 
Have people forgotten how hard done by Kagawa is now Januzaj is the new kid on the block then?
 
He's gone in the summer. Too good of a player to be sat on the bench, back to Dortmund and looking like a world beater again within 6 months.

I just dont understand what he's done wrong? fair enough he's not exactly set the place on fire this season but getting 1 game out of every 6 is probably the main reason.
 
Sitting on the bench while Giggs, Welbeck and Smalling all come on. Another week in the life of Shinji
 
Have we been watching the same Rooney?

I actually knew you'd say that because of your bias. Rooney was poor vs. West Brom, Sunderland, and Southampton. He's been our best player this season, but it's incredibly annoying not to see Kagawa when the former has struggled to influence fixtures lately...
 
This is starting to get beyond ridiculous. He doesn't play when fit. He never gets to come on as a sub. He's not allowed to finish a PL game, even when he's playing well.

At this rate, he'll never get "match fit". Sell him back to Dortmund for the same price or more. They'll gladly pay up.
 
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