FIFA Ballon d’Or 2013

ricardinho said:
Ronaldo will never win it again no matter what hes too much of a polarizing figure and his personality rubs many people including the ones that vote the wrong way on the other hand those same voters love Messi fake humility even that moron Blatter says Messi is the son every mother and father wants to have, I have no doubt Messi will win it again.
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Ronaldo can't win it because Messi is in the same league outperforming him and directly stopping him winning trophies. That is what it comes down to the year he deserved it Messi scored 91 goals... I would love to see someone else win it. As good as Ribery is, he is not a better player than Ronaldo or Messi so they will always come ahead of him. He may pip Ronaldo because his team won trophies while Ronaldo's didn't. It should for me be 60% personal performance based and 40% team performance. Anyway

1. Messi
2. Ribery
3. Ronaldo
 
Balu said:
Really? I usually love watching him for Sweden, when he's more of a playmaker than a regular striker. Of course he's not dominating teams on his own, but he's really carrying the team, dropping deep a lot, trying to get everyone involved, way more than Ronaldo does for Portugal and even if he's an arrogant idiot, he usually looks like he's having fun. I'm really looking forward to the Portugal - Sweden playoff games.
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Yeah and I'm not saying he's boring to watch but he can still go to sleep at times, wake up, hit score a couple and go back to sleep. Over a period of 90 minutes or a 38 game season I'm not too keen on watching him day in day out. He'd make a great highlight package of course but overall his game is not at the level of the top 3 in terms or technique or elegance. I watched him live in May as well and he hardly did anything, while Menez ran the show. Obviously not just basing it on that game but it's what he has the tendency of.

His creative side was also not that much on show last season as he didn't have anyone to lead the line, now with Cavani there that would be displayed more and yes that is quite good to watch. Him up front makes him less entertaining to be frank.
 
I wasn't impressed by Messi last season. Completely impotent against Bayern home and away. Cruised the league, but Ribery did more than him in all competitions.

But is there any point of making this thread? It'd be a waste of time for anyone but Messi to show up. Ronaldo has skipped a few in the past if I recall correctly :lol:
 
adexkola said:
I wasn't impressed by Messi last season. Completely impotent against Bayern home and away. Cruised the league, but Ribery did more than him in all competitions.

But is there any point of making this thread? It'd be a waste of time for anyone but Messi to show up. Ronaldo has skipped a few in the past if I recall correctly :lol:
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I don't think a player other than Messi is going to win it in the next 3-4 years. He wins it by default these days.

Isn't this decided based on votes from across the world? Occasionally you get true peaches in these like people voting for Gerrard etc. I bet there'll be at least one madman voting for Pirlo this year.
 
adexkola said:
I wasn't impressed by Messi last season. Completely impotent against Bayern home and away. Cruised the league, but Ribery did more than him in all competitions.

But is there any point of making this thread? It'd be a waste of time for anyone but Messi to show up. Ronaldo has skipped a few in the past if I recall correctly :lol:
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Never the Ballon d'Or, he missed the UEFA player of the year award afaik. Messi started last season brilliantly, didn't he score in like every single game for the first 5 or 6 months until he got injured? His calender year isn't that special, mainly because he's injured quite often and rushed back on the pitch way too early.
 
Does anyone really care about the calendar year thing? I bet half of them voting think it's based on last season. Even the nominations suggest so, otherwise I wouldn't have RVP in it.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
Does anyone really care about the calendar year thing? I bet half of them voting think it's based on last season. Even the nominations suggest so, otherwise I wouldn't have RVP in it.
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Yeah but Messi ultimately struggled in CL aside from the Milan game and even though Barca won the league at a canter they weren't really that impressive towards the end of season. He's a brilliant player but I'd like someone else to get this award for a change.
 
Just give it to Zlatan to piss everyone off.

Now that I think about it, there should be an award for the most exciting player of the year i.e. based on flair and audaciousness.
 
So would I, I am just saying it's unlikely as the voters don't put 10% of attention while considering their options as us football nerds do.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
Does anyone really care about the calendar year thing? I bet half of them voting think it's based on last season. Even the nominations suggest so, otherwise I wouldn't have RVP in it.
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I'd say it's usually heavily influenced by the crucial months, March - June and if there's an international tournament, that of course is really important as well. The start to both seasons (in this case 2012/13 and 13/14) isn't that important, but of course some indivdual achievements carry over, for example finishing top scorer in the league in May is important, even if most of the goals were scored in 2012. But who really knows how the managers, players and journalists make up their mind.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
So would I, I am just saying it's unlikely as the voters don't put 10% of attention while considering their options as us football nerds do.
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Occasionally a start to the new season will influence the voting, for exame last season Messi was in incredible form September onwards which definitely helped him as Barcelona as a team failed to win any of the two major trophies in 2012. Most of the time people don't care though and in the pre-Messi era the award would have gone to a player who propeled his team towards a big triumph (CL or major international trophy).
 
Balu said:
I'd say it's usually heavily influenced by the crucial months, March - June and if there's an international tournament, that of course is really important as well. The start to both seasons (in this case 2012/13 and 13/14) isn't that important, but of course some indivdual achievements carry over, for example finishing top scorer in the league in May is important, even if most of the goals were scored in 2012. But who really knows how the managers, players and journalists make up their mind.
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Indeed. Now we all know RVP was better in first half than the second so him being the top scorer was influenced from the previous year more than this one but it all still goes in the pot. World Cup precedes absolutely everything as well, which is mental. Kaka won it on the back of the two semis against us.

I don't see any such player this year who had that 3-4 memorable games at a stage where everyone would notice and overlook the rest of the options for that, so it will just be "who is the best player at the moment" and vote.
 
Balu said:
I'd say it's usually heavily influenced by the crucial months, March - June and if there's an international tournament, that of course is really important as well. The start to both seasons (in this case 2012/13 and 13/14) isn't that important, but of course some indivdual achievements carry over, for example finishing top scorer in the league in May is important, even if most of the goals were scored in 2012. But who really knows how the managers, players and journalists make up their mind.
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Half the time they'll pull their votes out of thin air to be frank. This is the first time in years though when I actually reckon Ribery is within a shot from breaking Messi's dominance (he'll probably end up some distance behind though).
 
Sarni said:
Half the time they'll pull their votes out of thin air to be frank. This is the first time in years though when I actually reckon Ribery is within a shot from breaking Messi's dominance (he'll probably end up some distance behind though).
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It's the same old.

We thought Xavi or Sneijder had a shot in 2010, when Barca didn't win the CL and got outplayed in semis, just like now, Xavi had the WC and Sneijder had the treble.

Same in 2012 where everyone thought Iniesta had a shot, though Messi's insane goalscoring that continued took it out completely.

IMO as long as there is no standout performance on the biggest stage the popular option wins. Ribery while Bayern's best player wouldn't be considered much ahead of Lahm, Bastian, Robben, etc. There's not enough there for people to convince and he is anyway generally underrated.

I don't have a problem with Messi winning it anyway, it's boring but he's done enough.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
It's the same old.

We thought Xavi or Sneijder had a shot in 2010, when Barca didn't win the CL and got outplayed in semis, just like now, Xavi had the WC and Sneijder had the treble.

Same in 2012 where everyone thought Iniesta had a shot, though Messi's insane goalscoring that continued took it out completely.

IMO as long as there is no standout performance on the biggest stage the popular option wins. Ribery while Bayern's best player wouldn't be considered much ahead of Lahm, Bastian, Robben, etc. There's not enough there for people to convince and he is anyway generally underrated.

I don't have a problem with Messi winning it anyway, it's boring but he's done enough.
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Yeah, but back then people weren't annoyed be Messi winning it all the time and everyone was still excited about watching such an incredible player. Not sure if that's still the case now. I'm not saying Ribery deserves it more than Sneijder or Xavi in 2010, just that he has a slightly bigger chance to get lucky here.
 
Yeah well, the fact that that was his second and this would be his 5th also matters. A lot want to see someone else being acknowledged and it is fair enough. Ballon D'or goes into the history books and 30 years from now that will define these players apart from major trophies more than stats or anything else. Messi has 4 and it is more than clear that he is far and ahead of his generation and there's no point in repeating the same thing, sort of. Cristiano already has one so there's not much to complain on that front, would have been a travesty had he gone without a Ballon D'or.

Xavi and Iniesta would probably finish without one which is a shame.
 
Balu said:
Never the Ballon d'Or, he missed the UEFA player of the year award afaik. Messi started last season brilliantly, didn't he score in like every single game for the first 5 or 6 months until he got injured? His calender year isn't that special, mainly because he's injured quite often and rushed back on the pitch way too early.
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Looked it up, you're right.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
Xavi and Iniesta would probably finish without one which is a shame.
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I don't mind Iniesta that much so far because he really had the chance to carry Barca last season when Messi was injured and he failed. Maybe he deserved one for the Euro 2012, but that Xavi never won it, is really a shame. I think his influence on Spain overcoming decades of failure and in Barca's rise to one of the best teams of all time is already a bit underrated because of Messi's numbers and Iniesta's elegance. He really was the heartbeat of both teams from 08-10. Hopefully the history books will do him justice.
 
I'd like to see a Bayern player win it, they were incredible last season and have started this season very well too, it'll probably be Messi though.

I think the only way he won't win it in the next 3-4 years is it someone has an amazing WC with the team that wins it, like Cannavaro in 06.
 
I'd like to see Ronaldo win it.

Bale certainly merits his place on the shortlist.
 
Cina said:
I'd like to see a Bayern player win it, they were incredible last season and have started this season very well too, it'll probably be Messi though.

I think the only way he won't win it in the next 3-4 years is it someone has an amazing WC with the team that wins it, like Cannavaro in 06.
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Cannavaro of 2006 wouldn't have stood a chance against today's Messi mind.
 
Which is also why Iniesta didn't in 2010, either. Until Messi is injured longterm or gets bored with the game, everyone is competing for 2nd
 


How is this incompetent dick in charge of football, beggars belief.
 
Balu said:
I don't mind Iniesta that much so far because he really had the chance to carry Barca last season when Messi was injured and he failed. Maybe he deserved one for the Euro 2012, but that Xavi never won it, is really a shame. I think his influence on Spain overcoming decades of failure and in Barca's rise to one of the best teams of all time is already a bit underrated because of Messi's numbers and Iniesta's elegance. He really was the heartbeat of both teams from 08-10. Hopefully the history books will do him justice.
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That's a little unfair on Iniesta IMO, though I can kind of see where you are coming from. I'm not sure I would expect Iniesta to out of nowhere carry that team when the team isn't built to accommodate that, Barcelona is certainly Messi and Xavis team.
 
Messi will win, I assume. I'd be voting for him.
 
Cina said:
Well of course not.
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I mean, seriously. There's no way a defender would get enough votes to surpass today's Messi. Player like Iniesta who was also instrumental to his national team winning the World Cup like Cannavaro didn't even come close.
 
Sarni said:
I mean, seriously. There's no way a defender would get enough votes to surpass today's Messi. Player like Iniesta who was also instrumental to his national team winning the World Cup like Cannavaro didn't even come close.
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:lol: I know you're being serious you paranoid bastard, I was agreeing with you, he was just a recent example.
 
Cina said:
:lol: I know you're being serious you paranoid bastard, I was agreeing with you, he was just a recent example.
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:lol: I thought you were being sarcastic, too much time spent with Cider in the other thread.
 
Fergus' son said:
That's a little unfair on Iniesta IMO, though I can kind of see where you are coming from. I'm not sure I would expect Iniesta to out of nowhere carry that team when the team isn't built to accommodate that, Barcelona is certainly Messi and Xavis team.
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Yeah, the way I wrote it, it really sounds way too harsh on Iniesta.
 
Ribery deserves it IMO. He was the uefa best player in Europe last year deservedly, and he's been much better at the start of this season then messi. Ronaldo has arguably had the best start to this season, and ibra is up there as well.
If we're basing it on this calendar year, then IMO it should be:
Ribery
Ronaldo
Messi/ibrahimovic

Messi really had a below par year, he's still the best in the world but performance wise I thought he wasn't as great as usual. Don't think he deserves it this year.
 
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