Bundesliga 13/14

Son scores, Leverkusen with a brilliant start to the game.
 
JaffyJoe said:
Not the good ones, few peoples goal ratio's are impressive in a Ronaldo-Messi world in all honesty. My first point was he could have been not far off them if he had stayed fit.
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Spain always had a ridiculous goal scoring rate for top attackers, some of which weren't so top once they decided to try a different country, too - must be a combination of excellent players huddled up in mainly 2 excellent teams. No other top league can boast such consistently high goal scoring rates. Top scorers in Germany, Italy or England go up to 0.7, -Zlatan, Van the man, Gomez, and i doubt one of them is less deadly than Messi or CR in front of the goal.
For 1.0 you gotta play in France, the Netherlands or in Spain :)
 
strongwalker said:
Spain always had a ridiculous goal scoring rate for top attackers, some of which weren't so top once they decided to try a different country, too - must be a combination of excellent players huddled up in mainly 2 excellent teams. No other top league can boast such consistently high goal scoring rates. Top scorers in Germany, Italy or England go up to 0.7, -Zlatan, Van the man, Gomez, and i doubt one of them is less deadly than Messi or CR in front of the goal.
For 1.0 you gotta play in France, the Netherlands or in Spain :)
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Up until 5 years ago I probably would have agreed. But the number of goals by the top scorer in the league in Germany has significantly increased and the defense in a lot of teams is really too often shockingly bad this year. The whole league is in transition and imo lost a bit the balance between following new tactical trends that have been successful at the top teams and actually playing to the strength of the players available to them. Also it seems like most teams are trying to benefit from the great youth work in Germany, which of course makes sense, but very often the teams lack experience that would calm down games and therefore we have way too often crazy scorelines. I'm not worried, I think it's just a strange year in the progress the league as a whole is making and it creates a lot of entertaining football. But if Bayern had an actual top central striker, he would easily score a goal a game on average, if he started every game, imo. Kiessling, Huntelaar and Gomez scored more than 25 goals in the last 3 years in the league and they are nowhere near the quality of Falcao, Aguero, Villa, Ibra let alone Messi, Ronaldo.
 
Balu said:
Up until 5 years ago I probably would have agreed. But the number of goals by the top scorer in the league in Germany has significantly increased and the defense in a lot of teams is really too often shockingly bad this year. The whole league is in transition and imo lost a bit the balance between following new tactical trends that have been successful at the top teams and actually playing to the strength of the players available to them. Also it seems like most teams are trying to benefit from the great youth work in Germany, which of course makes sense, but very often the teams lack experience that would calm down games and therefore we have way too often crazy scorelines. I'm not worried, I think it's just a strange year in the progress the league as a whole is making and it creates a lot of entertaining football. But if Bayern had an actual top central striker, he would easily score a goal a game on average, if he started every game, imo. Kiessling, Huntelaar and Gomez scored more than 25 goals in the last 3 years in the league and they are nowhere near the quality of Falcao, Aguero, Villa, Ibra let alone Messi, Ronaldo.
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I agree about the trend, i'm not so critical about the qualitys of goalscorers. Gomez would better his already impressive rate if he played for Real or in France, and the Hunter wouldn't make fool of himself in the PL. Of course, Messi or Ronaldo are twice the players, but they have more playmaking duties as well. Would they score more from the same number of chances? doubt it.
 
strongwalker said:
I agree about the trend, i'm not so critical about the qualitys of goalscorers. Gomez would better his already impressive rate if he played for Real or in France, and the Hunter wouldn't make fool of himself in the PL. Of course, Messi or Ronaldo are twice the players, but they have more playmaking duties as well. Would they score more from the same number of chances? doubt it.
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I don't think he would in France unless he played for PSG, Falcao is finding it tougher in France because teams play such a defensive style of football, not a lot of spaces and not a lot of creativity compared to Spain.
 
AldoPaine18 said:
How did we beat Levekusen 5-0? :lol: They look really up for it today.
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The usual Leverkusen routine before a game in Europe against a top club is meeting up, collectively pissing their pants and not being allowed to change them, so they run around like ducks.

It's really insane, the mentality of the whole club is simply wrong, they are proud to be loosers, and it shows in those games. They did the same against Barca 2 years ago. Völler is fighting against it as director of football, but he looks clearly out of his depth in that regard :lol:
 
How long are Dortmund without the first choice defence? Can feel any pain their fans have, we've had dodgy last resort defences many times over the years and lost a few games because of it.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
How long are Dortmund without the first choice defence? Can feel any pain their fans have, we've had dodgy last resort defences many times over the years and lost a few games because of it.
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Subotic is out for the season, the rest should be back (fully fit) after the winter break. Bender went to the hospital, supposedly serious ankle injury, looks like he's out for the rest of 2013 as well.
 
Balu said:
Subotic is out for the season, the rest should be back (fully fit) after the winter break. Bender went to the hospital, supposedly serious ankle injury, looks like he's out for the rest of 2013 as well.
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That's unlucky, didn't he break his nose just last week too?
 
Fergus' son said:
That's unlucky, didn't he break his nose just last week too?
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Yes, but he does that every season, that's nothing new really. Sahin is also subbed off with an injury. That's the whole starting back 4 and their first 3 CMs missing now.
 
Balu said:
Yes, but he does that every season, that's nothing new really. Sahin is also subbed off with an injury. That's the whole starting back 4 and their first 3 CMs missing now.
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That is seriously unlucky, particularly when you say players like Schweinsteiger and Robben might struggle to get back into the Bayern side who are running away with it again.
 
Balu said:
Yes, but he does that every season, that's nothing new really. Sahin is also subbed off with an injury. That's the whole starting back 4 and their first 3 CMs missing now.
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Do Dortmund have the financial muscle to amass a squad deep enough in quality to deal with that number of injuries?
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
That is seriously unlucky, particularly when you say players like Schweinsteiger and Robben might struggle to get back into the Bayern side who are running away with it again.
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Yeah, my thoughts too.
 
Fergus' son said:
Do Dortmund have the financial muscle to amass a squad deep enough in quality to deal with that number of injuries?
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Does anyone? I think at one point it's not about money anymore, but about showing good players a perspective in the team. Even Bayern would struggle with that number of injured players all in the same area. We got away with 2 defenders, 2 midfielders and 2 attackers out, but having your 7 best defensive players from midfield and back 4 out, is insane.
 
Fergus' son said:
Do Dortmund have the financial muscle to amass a squad deep enough in quality to deal with that number of injuries?
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They were in the CL final last year which brings 50Mio, and filed more than that net profit, excluding the Götze deal (another 37 Mio). I understand they pursue a conservative spending tactic, but they knew they would compete in 3 competitions, they knew they have international players, and they have a very physical playstyle.
Financially, they *would have had* the possibility to maintain a deeper squad than they have, even if not the quality Bayern can maintain (maybe they regret loaning out Leitner and Bittencourt?).
That one goes to Klopp and the management, they obviously thought the current squad was enough.
 
Dortmund are fecked, Sahin and Bender injured, Sokratis out for next week, they've got thin ass squad. Kloppo should've done better pre-season with buying.
 
TheGame said:
Yeah he's too popular to be criticised, ain't he?
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He has obviously more trust by the fans and officials and he actually has a good excuse. People whine about Carrick being injured on here. We played without his equivalent the whole season. How about you scratch Vidic, Evans, Rafael, Evra, Cleverley and Giggs aswell from the team sheet and see how well United does.
 
Kostur said:
Dortmund are fecked, Sahin and Bender injured, Sokratis out for next week, they've got thin ass squad. Kloppo should've done better pre-season with buying.
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I think you can forgive him and the directors for not foreseeing so many injuries/suspensions at the same time.
 
Very poor game.

Dortmund came away with even more injured players.

With the tiny squad they have that could be disastrous(already has started to be) they look already out of the title picture and they could be out of the CL this week if they dont manage to beat OM midweek.

The winter break cant come soon enough for them.
 
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