The comparison/mention of 1992-93 United and current Liverpool is pointless. First off, it's a far different era when clubs might have had 16-20 first team players (thin squads) versus today where clubs have massive squads exceeding 20 players, although Liverpool are thin compared to other current squads. Secondly, there exists a huge gap in overall quality between 92-93 United and current Liverpool. Who is Liverpool's Irwin? Parker? Bruce? Pallister? Ince? Giggs? Sharpe? Kanchelskis? Hughes? Schmeichel? That reads like a Who's Who of Premiership greats. The only player from the current Liverpool that would get in that side is Suarez, who may well be their catalyst ala Cantona. Finally, Rodgers will never be half the manager Sir Alex was.
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Thank God we were linked with Martinez in the summer or all of this would never have been possible. Martinez laid the foundation. :tongueincheek:
A lot of those players you mention had been at the club for quite a few years, in fact the vast majority of them were also about the year before when you finished runners-up. At that time they looked good, but there was nothing to suggest that they were going to go on to achieve what they did in the game, which was largely down to your manager it has to be said. So how can you say, that under the guidance of Brendan Rodgers, that a lot of our side can't improve & help get Liverpool back to the top ? The signs are certainly there.
Because Rodgers isn't Ferguson, Liverpool are not Man United, and your historical comparisons to Man United for every Liverpool team of the last 6/7 years are becoming a bit tired.
He's doing what every Liverpool fan does. Getting all giddy and excited because they have managed to get a good run of form going. They've had a great 2013 and Rodgers is doing a good job. There are more reasons that previous times to be optimistic but there are times when he has jumped from arguing along the lines of liverpool are better off than us because we only want top 4 this season anyway, to hinting about a title challenge, all the while trying to have a few digs at united. The reason they wont win the title is the same reason fans like retardman5 start getting excuses in before 2 consecutive defeats. Deep down they know well they wont win the title.
On a slightly separate note, have to love how after 26 years of sometimes psychotic disgusting abuse ferguson received, liverpool fans are now so quick to say our success was solely down to him and how great he was. Strictly speaking if united didnt win the title, we should want a side like liverpool to. no foreign billions, playing decent stuff......but always but always, their fans are what makes them the most utterly despicable club in england.
On a slightly separate note, have to love how after 26 years of sometimes psychotic disgusting abuse ferguson received, liverpool fans are now so quick to say our success was solely down to him and how great he was. Strictly speaking if united didnt win the title, we should want a side like liverpool to. no foreign billions, playing decent stuff......but always but always, their fans are what makes them the most utterly despicable club in england.
I'd rather city, arsenal or Chelsea win it than Liverpool, and I think one of those former three will (most likely city).
i agree, but if i could somehow isolate my thoughts to football reasons only, liverpool and arsenal should be ok. I dont think there is anything quite like a liverpool fan, they are just awful. paranoid, self righteous, angry, bitter, venomous, repulsive idiots. could be fantastic people in day to day life but once football is involved they are right up there among the very worst groups humankind has offered,
feck footballing reasons. The rivalry is bigger than that.
And in the end in these things, it's about self interest really. I don't mind city winning it mainly because they're too rich to be anything other than a top team that will be there or thereabouts pretty much every season.
yes exactly, the rivalry is so great, obviously due to historical reasons but i think mostly due to how much hatred there is between the sets of fans.
Arsenal
City
Chelsea
in that order
City
Chelsea
in that order
Liverpool and Arsenal wont be able to sustain their good form, only City are capable of that this season, in my opinion anyway. Chelsea are a an unknown at this stage, they've been so erratic.
Did I say otherwise ? Stick to the true context of my post sunshine. I was replying to a post from someone who felt that our current players couldn't hold a candle to the United greats that won their first title in 26 years. A lot of those 'greats' - Pallister, Ince, Bruce, Hughes, Robson, McClair - were also part of the set-up that finished mid-table just 3 years before you won your first title in 26 years. So it's total bollocks to say that 'any' current set of players at a club that plays great football, thanks to a man who's not been at that club for 18 months yet, couldn't go onto bigger & better things. & If it makes you & your buddies feel any better, I'll confirm that I've already said that I don't think we'll win the league this season. But you & your buddies best hope that I'm not wrong.
Why would you rather city than chelsea?
less titles.
chelsea has four, city three. Neither are anywhere close either of us. On that count you should have Arsenal below both.
It'd be like wanting Everton to win it ahead of Arsenal from a liverpool perspective.
U mad.
Arsenal
Chelsea
City
Liverpool
Chelsea
City
Liverpool
Arsenal are a proper club. And I always sort of liked them...because of my dad who admired them from those days I suppose.
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City are just a club on steroids....not real...
same with Chelsea...except they are dependent on one criminal owning them.
All this title talk is beginning to get on my tits a little bit. Still way too premature to say anything, in my opinion - even Newcastle are managing to stay in and around there at the moment. Very, very peculiar season.
The early United comparison is one of your favourite things to do for recent LFC teams.
It rarely has any relevance or accuracy whatsoever. Including here.
One of your own made a Suarez/Cantona comparison yesterday. I actually thought it was a good point based on the fact that EC was the catalyst for those other players I quoted in my previous post to really come good.
Football is all about opinions. A lot of times those opinions are heavily based on comparisons. It's not just me or other Liverpool fans who use them. I suspect the only time comparisons are not acceptable to some people is when they strike a bit too close to home.
Nah, this is pretty much your go to thing. It's always bollocks.
You don't think Rodgers has the potential then to make Liverpool serious contenders in the near future ?
Everton will be ahead of them by this time next week. They are more of a worry to be honest. As per usual the Liverpool fans will laugh like they did the last two years I said they would finish ahead of them.
Everton's last 4 league matches are: United H - Southampton A - City H - Hull A
We'll certainly laugh if you take points off them to put us in pole position for a top 4 finish.
they never were good enough to be our rivals...
now Everton are your worthy rivals...they have huge history.
read up on history.
probably not. we're only halfway through the season and its unlikely we'll see a season like this again. the top clubs like chelsea, city and united have all dropped alot of points, mostly due to all adapting to new managers. the next best clubs are mostly excelling, such as arsenal and everton. spurs are doing what they usually do. then the next biggest; newcastle are also excelling. then you have liverpool, who are having their best season in 5 years. and in spite of this none are running away with anything or are in danger of getting out of touch.
Our good form started with the signings of Coutinho & Sturridge back in January. In fact I think our league form in the 2nd half of last season was 2nd only to Arsenal. Most people dismissed us (including a lot of Liverpool fans tbh) as potential top 4 candidates based on our 7th place finish in the league. But not many took into account the amount of work Rodgers had to do in the first place by getting rid of a lot of dross, & getting the side to play the way he wanted them too. Any side that can score 42 goals in 17 league games needs to be taken seriously. Even if one man has largely been responsible for a lot of those goals. But having said that, Daniel Sturridge hasn't been doing too badly himself. It's easy to forget that he's not played the past few games. & it's also easy to forget he was instrumental in us winning 7, drawing 2, & losing just 1 of the 10 games Suarez missed through suspension.
There's a massive air of incredulity on here at seeing Liverpool doing aswell as they are. It's probably been compounded by United's less than flattering start under new manager David Moyes. Some people are reassuring each other that Liverpool's sudden rise is only a temporary thing, & the normal cycle of us falling away will soon take place (albeit a bit later than usual). They may be proved right in the long-run, because none of us know the future. However, considering how far we've come in just a short space of time, & looking at the way we play the game. The evidence suggests that the we're very much moving in the right direction. I'd be interested to know exactly why people are so sure we can't be competing for major honours anytime soon.
And we'll laugh if that win over Everton puts United in pole position for top 4 finish.
There was a time, not so long ago, that merely finishing in the top 4 was seen as an underachievement for Manchester United. Now it'll be a reason to laugh, rejoice, & celebrate.
You've still got a fair bit of catching up to do mind. Not every game is going to be as easy as Villa & West Ham.
reality check for Liverpool supporters.
you cannot outspend City and Chelsea..and Rogers is nowhere near as good a manager as SAF.
you cannot outspend City and Chelsea..and Rogers is nowhere near as good a manager as SAF.
Clutching at straws, per usual by LFC fans. Clear as day a top four finish following the retirement of the GMOAT and a horrendous start to the season would be a fantastic achievement. Especially taking into account how shit Moyes is according to all the ABUs (and United fans too).
Also worth pointing the true laughter in my post would be again denying Liverpool a spot above United. Perhaps you missed that hidden meaning.
His record against the other big teams is pretty poor. No wins against City,Chelsea,Arsenal,Everton. One win against United and two against Spurs. Hardly anything to get carried away with.
Unless Liverpool starting doing more in big games they wont be contenders.
Notice his claim of Villa and West Ham yet the same applies to his club. Liverpool fan logic.
No I didn't miss the hidden meaning. Hence my - 'you've still got a fair bit of catching up to do' - quote.
As it stands, a victory by United over Everton will do us more good than it will you. Lot of games still to be played of course, & we'll still be ahead of you regardless of what happens in the next 2 games. With only 2 away fixtures to come against sides in the current top 12 in the 2nd half of the season, I'd have grabbed that scenario with both hands at the start of the season.
Top 4 come seasons end
Man City
Chelsea
Arsenal
Liverpool
Man City
Chelsea
Arsenal
Liverpool
Our record in the past calendar year against those sides is as follows:
United A L 1-2
Arsenal A D 2-2
City A D 2-2
Spurs H W 3-2
Chelsea H D 2-2
Everton H D 0-0
United H W 1-0
Arsenal A L 0-2
Everton A D 3-3
Spurs A W 5-0
That's 6 away games & 4 at home. Yet we've won 3, drawn 5, & lost just 2. That means only twice have we failed to take anything from a potential top 4 rival. We'll not be far off if we can continue that sort record, along with keeping our 'flat-track' bullying exploits against the weaker sides. So what makes you think our record is poor ?