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I didnt like Berbatov but celebrated all his goals. Simple. I would love Fellaini to turn into Keane mk2..at the end of.the day its about United not one player.
Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances
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I didnt like Berbatov but celebrated all his goals. Simple. I would love Fellaini to turn into Keane mk2..at the end of.the day its about United not one player.
yep...agreed. I didn't want us to sign Fellani...especially at some rediculous 27 odd million...crazy, but if he turns out to be a brilliant player for us, then yeah...I'll love him..because it's about the team for me and what each individual brings to it. Same with Welbeck...I've never been a believer..but bloody hell...if he proves me wrong I'm the first to hold up my hands and say...what the fooking hell do I know....which in the big scheme of things...and the fact I don't work in football, is probably right!!
Pienaar spent five seasons under Moyes and says of the change in style: "We tried to play good football last season but we had Felli [Marouane Fellaini] in the team and could find him directly and put teams under pressure high up the pitch. This season we've been more patient. His [Martinez's] philosophy is if you keep the ball, you're not going to work as hard as the other team
He actually said it in a matchday thread a month or so ago. I'll have to dig it out at some point.
Sunny Jim says it mate...
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/cardiff-city-vs-manchester-united.379335/page-3#post-14527990 Page 3 Post #107...I didn't write that, you did.
He's the sort of player who naturally divides opinion for obvious reasons. I said from that start that I wouldn't be too impressed with the signing if he was our only bit of buisness in midfield. I said that he would offer us something different to what we had, and he would offer a certain physical presence. Sadly, and unfortunately for him, there are other things to consider. As a main summer signing, was he what we needed? He's certainly not a poor player for me as others have been stating, but I just don't think he is the sort of player we should have signed, on his own. I appreciate that may not have been the aim, but it is what it is. Add in the fact that he was 27m...
After watching him last season, I thought he was a real handful playing just off the front man. Physical presense, wins things in the air, strong in the challenge, and just a genuine handful for a defender to have to deal with and pick up. United dont play that way, never have, and although I think he's a decent holding midfield player, that's not his best position for me. Certainly not at a club like United. I understand that the club have aims to play him in more of a 'box to box' role as time progresses, but again, I honestly believe he was always going to be somewhat up against it.
Either way, time will tell.
After watching him last season, I thought he was a real handful playing just off the front man. Physical presense, wins things in the air, strong in the challenge, and just a genuine handful for a defender to have to deal with and pick up. United dont play that way, never have, and although I think he's a decent holding midfield player, that's not his best position for me. Certainly not at a club like United. I understand that the club have aims to play him in more of a 'box to box' role as time progresses, but again, I honestly believe he was always going to be somewhat up against it.
Either way, time will tell.
The signing didn't make sense from the beginning.
He's bringing none of the qualities we require in central midfield to the table.
At best I can see him being a decent squad option for whenever our main holding midfielder is rested, against poor opposition.
Can't see him do any other role than the holding role here. We don't play target men at United.
He's bringing none of the qualities we require in central midfield to the table.
At best I can see him being a decent squad option for whenever our main holding midfielder is rested, against poor opposition.
Can't see him do any other role than the holding role here. We don't play target men at United.
Four months in, settling into a new side, playing with a injury and yet the majority have written him off. I wasn't a fan of his signing but I'm absolutely sure that we haven't seen anywhere near the best of Fellaini yet.
Glad he has had the operation. He's been out with this wrist problem for to long.
Fellaini not been fully fit once since joining United and he's had injury problems since he joined the club. This injury is nothing big if he will be back by the start of February and it's about time he had a run in the side without constant niggling injuries.
Writing him off is way to premature. He's not actually had a chance with United yet and I can't see the point about constantly going on about the fee four months after we signed him. I think 27.5m is way too much for a player like Fellaini but it's not far off the market rate with the way fees have gone if the likes of Lescott and Milner went for what they did.
The simple thing is we needed a midfielder and Fellaini was about the best available we could get. I personally think he is a good player who has the potential to develop into a very good player alla Carrick. He's never going to be Scholes, Keane or Robson.
In the short term, it means Fletcher will probably get the Carling cup games and other appearances Fellaini may have been pencilled in for, which is fine with me as I want to see what he has to offer.
Fellaini not been fully fit once since joining United and he's had injury problems since he joined the club. This injury is nothing big if he will be back by the start of February and it's about time he had a run in the side without constant niggling injuries.
Writing him off is way to premature. He's not actually had a chance with United yet and I can't see the point about constantly going on about the fee four months after we signed him. I think 27.5m is way too much for a player like Fellaini but it's not far off the market rate with the way fees have gone if the likes of Lescott and Milner went for what they did.
The simple thing is we needed a midfielder and Fellaini was about the best available we could get. I personally think he is a good player who has the potential to develop into a very good player alla Carrick. He's never going to be Scholes, Keane or Robson.
In the short term, it means Fletcher will probably get the Carling cup games and other appearances Fellaini may have been pencilled in for, which is fine with me as I want to see what he has to offer.
What a load of bullshit. He's barely been anything but a rare option since he's signed anywhere and you've only got to look through the rest of your posts to see you have no time for Fellaini.
Good effort on the backtrack though.
Ive watched EPL for 18 years now. I can tell a difference between a player who needs time and one who should never been signed.
I tend to agree with this. Fellaini is an established premier league player who worked with our current manager and coaches for 5 years. The idea that he is going to raise his game above what he showed for Everton is highly optimistic. As a general rule of thumb, players tend to perform better when playing regularly, so it would hardly be a great surprise if Fellaini fails to match his Everton performance level, given the likely competition for places in centre midfield next season.
Moyes bought a player, who even at his peak, wasn't good enough to be a regular starter for United.
Yep you and your superior knowledge. Its a wonder as to how you're not a professional.
I'll stick to my original point. You've made it clear you want him to fail because you want to be right about your opinion that he's not the right player (which he probably isn't). But like the new manager the least he deserves is a bit of time and patience especially because since he's signed he has actually carried some form of injury.
When the man has a clean bill of health and a run of games then perhaps you can get your superior football knowledge medal...perhaps a tagline saying "I'm better than you all because I've watched football for 18 whole years".
This...
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Would love to be proven wrong by Fellaini (at one stage even convinced myself I was wrong to doubt him) but its a bit of a joke that he´s one of the most expensive buys in the history of Man Utd. Fellaini is not United quality and we could have saved the money we spent on him and put it towards getting someone who actually is.
Why is that? Players moving to top clubs and improving is hardly unheard of
What worries me most about this thread is the number of people who have a go at Fellaini's hair.
It's disturbing. To me someone who can't appreciate a decent sized 'fro is a bit sketchy, you know.
It's disturbing. To me someone who can't appreciate a decent sized 'fro is a bit sketchy, you know.
Or bald
If he's got no time for him he probably doesn't rate him. Usually when someone says "hope he's 5th choice" it tends to mean that they'd like to see the manager use him as 5th choice, not actually prefer the player to be shit rather than great.
Why would anyone hope anyone is 5th choice regardless of whether they rate them or not? I would always want Bebe or the Djemba twins to justify themselves and become 1st choice...it doesn't mean they're capable or it's plausible.
Your missing the point. Let's take young for example. I don't rate him. I don't want him to start games unless others are either off form or unavailable or need rest. If he suddenly turns into messi I'd want him to play all the time of course but I'm speaking from a "selection" or "pecking order" point of view not a "I hope he plays so suit he never plays again!" point of view.
The difference is Ashley Young is in his 3rd season. The big Fella' has barely had an opportunity to settle in, hence why I think someone saying 'I hope he's 5th choice by next september' is incredibly harsh regardless of how below par he's been (although there are some pretty legitimate reasons as to why too).
It's harsh but maybe he's made up his mind based on what he saw at Everton as well.
Not that I agree. I think we have a lot of "okay" midfielders and I would like to see him get a chance once our team improves as well.
He was on a hiding to nothing from the moment he signed.Also he joined a side which has had numerous issues from the seasons start.Post op and recovery we should look at him as a new signing and go from there, and hopefully the team will have settled by then.I have plenty faith that he'll be a success with us!
Im glad some of yous understood my point. Genuine thank you.
Saying that he hopes we have better options in midfield doesn't mean he hopes Fellaini fails. I hope we have 5 or 6 midfielders better than Fellaini by the end of the season. Not because he's crap but because I want our midfield to be much, much better. If Jones, Cleverly, Fletcher, Powell, and Lingard are better midfield options than Fellaini, that's a boost for our team. A big one. On the other hand, if Fellaini is the 3rd/4th best option we have, that means that our midfield has regressed despite adding a player in Fletcher. I would be very worried if a player of Fellaini's middling skills was the second best midfield option for Manchester United.
Ideally, Carrick would be our 5th choice midfielder so that we would have 4 world-class midfielders ahead of him. That's not a slight on Carrick.
One question: Would Fellaini make any team above us in the league better?
I believe fellaini was ok in the game against everton and he also did well in the home game against leverkeusen.
Him and carrick together will always seem a little too rigid. but i feel he will do well in replacing carrick when he is not available or being rested.
we need a CM who moves about a lot. links well with the attack. basically a better and more confident version of cleverley. i think fellaini will be able to settle down in the carrick role. a midfield four of carrick fellaini cleverley and a new CM will give us good balance.
fellaini will never be our star midfielder but he will play an important role for us. it is best for us to forget his price tag and just analyze his performances when he comes back.
Him and carrick together will always seem a little too rigid. but i feel he will do well in replacing carrick when he is not available or being rested.
we need a CM who moves about a lot. links well with the attack. basically a better and more confident version of cleverley. i think fellaini will be able to settle down in the carrick role. a midfield four of carrick fellaini cleverley and a new CM will give us good balance.
fellaini will never be our star midfielder but he will play an important role for us. it is best for us to forget his price tag and just analyze his performances when he comes back.
herrera and fabregas were options considered for the CM i have mentioned in the post above. makes sense. i have liked moyes's team selection and transfer ambitions. the transfer bit needs better exection, lets see how that works out.
let's get a CM and baines in this window. and a winger in the summer.
let's get a CM and baines in this window. and a winger in the summer.
Not really, no. If you could, you'd e employed by at least a championship side as a scout.
Well he came from Everton. They finished 6th last season and Fellaini was a key player.
I don't get the argument over what Sunny Jim said, it seems pretty clear to me. At his best, Fellaini operates at a certain level. If a player of that level is our second best midfielder then we have quite a weak midfield. If a player of that level is only our fifth best midfielder then it means our midfield is much stronger. Sunny Jim isn't hoping that Fellaini fails, he's hoping that the rest of our midfield improves.
As Sir Matt said, I hope that Carrick will soon be our third choice midfielder. That doesn't mean I don't rate Carrick, just that I hope the rest of our midfield improves beyond his level. It's less a comment on Fellaini or Carrick and more a comment on the general standard surrounding them.
Saying people want Fellaini or Moyes to fail is a lazy argument.
As Sir Matt said, I hope that Carrick will soon be our third choice midfielder. That doesn't mean I don't rate Carrick, just that I hope the rest of our midfield improves beyond his level. It's less a comment on Fellaini or Carrick and more a comment on the general standard surrounding them.
Saying people want Fellaini or Moyes to fail is a lazy argument.
To be honest he is my 4th choice at the moment, behind Carrick, Cleverley and Jones. If Fletcher could find his old form, he may be dropped further in the pecking order to the 5th, which is still ahead of Anderson or Giggs in midfield mind.
There are similarities between the Fellaini and Berbatov transfers it seems - both players signed right at the last minute of the transfer window, both we overpaid for and joined from being one of the key players at a good premiership club.
Looking at that it is easy to see why they would struggle to adapt. Fellaini has had no preseason with us, he is still getting used to the tactics and his role in the team at this club, and has gone from being the main man to essentially an unknown quantity. The same was true with Berbatov and both were/have been disappointing in their first seasons with us. Berbatov went on to never truly live up to expectation at United but he was a lot older at the time.
I do think however that the circumstances of his signing will not have helped Fellainis transition at all, and I think next season once he has properly settled in, he will start to look a lot better.
Looking at that it is easy to see why they would struggle to adapt. Fellaini has had no preseason with us, he is still getting used to the tactics and his role in the team at this club, and has gone from being the main man to essentially an unknown quantity. The same was true with Berbatov and both were/have been disappointing in their first seasons with us. Berbatov went on to never truly live up to expectation at United but he was a lot older at the time.
I do think however that the circumstances of his signing will not have helped Fellainis transition at all, and I think next season once he has properly settled in, he will start to look a lot better.
When is he due back?
Would like to see him get a run of games alongside Carrick
Would like to see him get a run of games alongside Carrick
Can't wait for him to come back and ram it down the throat of the doubters on here. I have faith!
Playing the majority of matches as an attacking midfielder, a position in which they now have Ross Barkley.
And as a central midfielder they're playing James McCarthy and Gareth Barry, another two players who's outperforming Fellaini as a midfielder.
Plus - Everton are actually doing better than last season so far.
They are. But it's interesting to be honest. Despite all their amazing football, their numerous signings and improved youngsters (Barry, Lukaku, Delafeou (however it's spelt!), McCarthy, Kone, Joel, and a much improved Coleman and Barkley), they are only 5 points better off than last season at this stage...
The way some people talk about Everton now is as if Moyes had them as a terrible terrible lower half table club, and Martinez has turned them into world beaters. After 20 games Martinez has Everton in 5th. So did Moyes.
Anyway, on topic:
I think Fellaini has looked terrible at United so far. It's not looking like money well spent obviously. However, players have taken long to settle at United before even with PL experience (Carrick comes to mind). Also if Fellaini has been playing with an injury, then that doesn't help either.
I think the main thing that keeps me with some hope is we are yet to see him play with the mentality and aggression he played with at Everton. I'd like to be optimistic and think this is a short term off-form spell as he settles with the expectation from a massive club. It might not be. But I'm yet to see him play how he did for Everton, and so that gives me hope he can at least raise his game. To what level? I don't know. I'd be happily surprised though if he ever lived up to a 27m price tag. I wish he does though.
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