Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances

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rpitroda said:
I think Fellaini has looked terrible at United so far. It's not looking like money well spent obviously. However, players have taken long to settle at United before even with PL experience (Carrick comes to mind). Also if Fellaini has been playing with an injury, then that doesn't help either.

I think the main thing that keeps me with some hope is we are yet to see him play with the mentality and aggression he played with at Everton. I'd like to be optimistic and think this is a short term off-form spell as he settles with the expectation from a massive club. It might not be. But I'm yet to see him play how he did for Everton, and so that gives me hope he can at least raise his game. To what level? I don't know. I'd be happily surprised though if he ever lived up to a 27m price tag. I wish he does though.
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This is the saving grace, he doesn't play with that aggression in a United shirt and it might be that it's a lack of full fitness, niggling injuries or just nerves that's to blame. He's looked pedestrian so far and he should at least be able to play with some aggression and drive.

Having said all of that, I can only see him being useful for us as a backup for our first choice holding midfielder, unless we play him as a battering ram. He's not got the qualities needed to lift our midfield, he's a player that's lacking a lot of basic components as a midfielder for a top side even at the best of his form.

My hope is that he turns out a decent squad player who can give the likes of Carrick a rest and fill in whenever we've got injuries.
 
Our play is outdated. We create nothing from the centre of the park. Our passing and build up play is slow. Having Carrick and Fellaini as our midfield partnership will set us back even further. Under the current circumstances our best midfield is Carrick and Jones.
 
Randall Flagg said:
When is he due back?

Would like to see him get a run of games alongside Carrick
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God no. We're a one-paced, slow team as it is. If he does play, it should be instead of Carrick. Preferably with Jones who can actually run.
 
Its a shame he's cup-tied for the League Cup, I wouldn't have minded him playing in that.
 
I really don't know how so many people can come to such definitive conclusions on Fellaini's time at United.

He's started 7 games for United and has clearly been injured and lacking fitness since he joined us from Everton. He also has made 4 sub appearances means he has made 11 appearances and most of those sub appearances have been brief. He's only made 4 Premiership starts for United scattered around a couple of months.

If you look at his international and club career before joining United, he would be our second strongest central midfielder after Carrick. I think Jones has made some really good strides in central midfield this season but Fellaini's still got a better track record in the position. Fletcher's been injured for going on 3 years, Cleverley's had a mixed time for us and Fellaini's more proven than Giggs or Anderson.

I think Moyes deserves some criticism for his tenure so far but it like certain people are not even willing to give Fellaini a chance and are writing him off before he has had one.

Personally I can't judge the performances or worth of any footballer for MUFC if they have hardly had any games and clearly have had constant fitness and injury issues. It's just ridiculously unfair on the player and far too premature.

Comparisons to Berbatov are weird. Was Berbatov injured consistently in his first six months? Not that I can recall.
 
I think the problem is starting him with Carrick alongside is bad idea as our weak midfield will become even worse, lacking mobility and all that.
 
I still think Fellaini will be an important player for us over the next 5 years. We paid far too much, but he's got what it takes imo. Just hasn't shown it yet.
 
Ole'sbodyguard said:
I really don't know how so many people can come to such definitive conclusions on Fellaini's time at United.
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Because most of them are butthurt that we didn't get better quality midfielders or the midfielders they'd love to sign and instead we overpaid for Fellaini. How he performs doesn't matter to those people.
 
Ole'sbodyguard said:
I really don't know how so many people can come to such definitive conclusions on Fellaini's time at United.

He's started 7 games for United and has clearly been injured and lacking fitness since he joined us from Everton. He also has made 4 sub appearances means he has made 11 appearances and most of those sub appearances have been brief. He's only made 4 Premiership starts for United scattered around a couple of months.

If you look at his international and club career before joining United, he would be our second strongest central midfielder after Carrick. I think Jones has made some really good strides in central midfield this season but Fellaini's still got a better track record in the position. Fletcher's been injured for going on 3 years, Cleverley's had a mixed time for us and Fellaini's more proven than Giggs or Anderson.

I think Moyes deserves some criticism for his tenure so far but it like certain people are not even willing to give Fellaini a chance and are writing him off before he has had one.

Personally I can't judge the performances or worth of any footballer for MUFC if they have hardly had any games and clearly have had constant fitness and injury issues. It's just ridiculously unfair on the player and far too premature.

Comparisons to Berbatov are weird. Was Berbatov injured consistently in his first six months? Not that I can recall.
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Spot on.
 
Ole'sbodyguard said:
I really don't know how so many people can come to such definitive conclusions on Fellaini's time at United.

He's started 7 games for United and has clearly been injured and lacking fitness since he joined us from Everton. He also has made 4 sub appearances means he has made 11 appearances and most of those sub appearances have been brief. He's only made 4 Premiership starts for United scattered around a couple of months.

If you look at his international and club career before joining United, he would be our second strongest central midfielder after Carrick. I think Jones has made some really good strides in central midfield this season but Fellaini's still got a better track record in the position. Fletcher's been injured for going on 3 years, Cleverley's had a mixed time for us and Fellaini's more proven than Giggs or Anderson.

I think Moyes deserves some criticism for his tenure so far but it like certain people are not even willing to give Fellaini a chance and are writing him off before he has had one.

Personally I can't judge the performances or worth of any footballer for MUFC if they have hardly had any games and clearly have had constant fitness and injury issues. It's just ridiculously unfair on the player and far too premature.

Comparisons to Berbatov are weird. Was Berbatov injured consistently in his first six months? Not that I can recall.
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You're kidding right? Second strongest cm?? Even if you are tight he would be still a shitbag. He wasnt good good.enough even at his prie at Everton, nor he is now.
 
Kid Cunto said:
What does Fellaini offer us? Serious question.
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A chance to flog Fellaini wigs on mass. Hire him out for parties as big birds brother and as a reminder to Rio how crazy he looked when he had an Afro that time.

But in all seriousness, I don't know. We are not using him in the way Everton did and he hasn't been good enough so far for us. It is early days, but I don't see any outstanding qualities that he has that would improve us.
 
Kid Cunto said:
What does Fellaini offer us? Serious question.
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When he signed, I tried to isolate the positives, forgetting the price, forgetting what we need and look at what the player brings.

He is another body, to compete across all competitions, you need a big squad and he adds to that. He can (I stress can) possibly perform a number of roles. Not well but is able to. He does have a physical presence and when on his game, opposition players do worry about getting hurt when they go near him, a little like when Toure runs at defenders. Defenders never liked getting to close to Fellaini because he is all elbows, they allowed him time and space to get the ball down. However, with his lack of confidence, he has lost that presence at the moment.

So he does offer us a few things, however when we look at the big picture, for what we paid for him and what we need to be in the best in England and Europe, it didn't, doesn't and never will look good.
 
Kid Cunto said:
What does Fellaini offer us? Serious question.
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I think as an impact player he could be useful, ya know throw him on up front 20 minutes to go when we're a goal or two down. I've never seen him excel in any other position than off the front like he did for Everton, god knows what makes him and Moyes think he's a deep lying midfielder
 
Eric'sCollar said:
When he signed, I tried to isolate the positives, forgetting the price, forgetting what we need and look at what the player brings.

He is another body, to compete across all competitions, you need a big squad and he adds to that. He can (I stress can) possibly perform a number of roles. Not well but is able to. He does have a physical presence and when on his game, opposition players do worry about getting hurt when they go near him, a little like when Toure runs at defenders. Defenders never liked getting to close to Fellaini because he is all elbows, they allowed him time and space to get the ball down. However, with his lack of confidence, he has lost that presence at the moment.

So he does offer us a few things, however when we look at the big picture, for what we paid for him and what we need to be in the best in England and Europe, it didn't, doesn't and never will look good.
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One of the fairest assessments of Fellaini in this thread.
 
charlenefan said:
I think as an impact player he could be useful, ya know throw him on up front 20 minutes to go when we're a goal or two down. I've never seen him excel in any other position than off the front like he did for Everton, god knows what makes him and Moyes think he's a deep lying midfielder
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This is probably because you never really watched him at all. Anybody who did would be fully well aware of Fellaini's very good form in the heart of the Everton midfield prior to last season. Many Everton fans preferred both him and the team's all round effectiveness when in there. Why people insist of pretending he was some unknown retard before his apparent career season off of the front man is beyond me. He's been good for years now.
 
He will be a deep-lying midfielder for us in time; that's his best position (With all due respect, many in this thread come across as though they've only began watching football in 2012). I envisage him having an impressive World Cup next summer and him coming back to Old Trafford full of confidence. The last few hours of last August were a monumental disaster for our club, and unfortunately for Fellaini, he became a scapegoat for it.
 
Kag said:
This is probably because you never really watched him at all. Anybody who did would be fully well aware of Fellaini's very good form in the heart of the Everton midfield prior to last season. Many Everton fans preferred both him and the team's all round effectiveness when in there. Why people insist of pretending he was some unknown retard before his apparent career season off of the front man is beyond me. He's been good for years now.
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That's not an entirely unfair accusation, Everton under Moyes were hardly known for the free flowing exciting attacking football and so Fellaini probably would of only got my attention once he started scoring goals when he was played further forward (the first game of which that springs to my mind the 4-4)

That said I remember a 0-0 against Arsenal last season when Fellaini was in midfield and that day he played about as well as he has done for us in that position
 
Go and watch the match when Everton beat Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in that F.A Cup replay. Fellaini was sensational in midfield; Chelsea, arguably possessing the toughest midfield in England at the time, had no answer to him. He genuinely was that good. That game was also a good three seasons ago, so the evidence that he's a quality defensive-midfielder has always been there.
 
charlenefan said:
That's not an entirely unfair accusation, Everton under Moyes were hardly known for the free flowing exciting attacking football and so Fellaini probably would of only got my attention once he started scoring goals when he was played further forward (the first game of which that springs to my mind the 4-4)

That said I remember a 0-0 against Arsenal last season when Fellaini was in midfield and that day he played about as well as he has done for us in that position
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Maybe it is. But it's also unfair when people act as if Fellaini wasn't a good central midfielder prior to last season. He has been for years now, irrespective of how "free-flowing" the football at Everton was. The revisionists have been out in full force ever since he signed.
 
nahealai said:
Go and watch the match when Everton beat Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in that F.A Cup replay. Fellaini was sensational in midfield; Chelsea, arguably possessing the toughest midfield in England at the time, had no answer to him. He genuinely was that good. That game was also a good three seasons ago, so the evidence that he's a quality defensive-midfielder has always been there.
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Maybe it is a case similar to Ben Foster, that at this moment in time he is a bit overawed by his surroundings and the size/pressure of United. I wasn't sold on signing him, didn't think he was what we needed. But I did hope in some way he could be our answer to Toure and provide a physical edge in the middle we lacked. Maybe he will improve, I hope so.
 
Even before he went to Everton I remember people raving about him as a midfielder. He's clearly more talented than most are giving him credit for, some of the comments made about him are idiotic.
 
Yep. He was highly rated at Liege, too. Fair play to Moyes for taking a chance on him (from Everton's point-of-view). He was terrific for them. Here's hoping he'll begin to show what a good player he is for us soon.
 
charlenefan said:
I think as an impact player he could be useful, ya know throw him on up front 20 minutes to go when we're a goal or two down. I've never seen him excel in any other position than off the front like he did for Everton, god knows what makes him and Moyes think he's a deep lying midfielder
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Same reason SAF thought Alan Smith could be a midfielder. Necessity.
 
nahealai said:
Go and watch the match when Everton beat Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in that F.A Cup replay. Fellaini was sensational in midfield; Chelsea, arguably possessing the toughest midfield in England at the time, had no answer to him. He genuinely was that good. That game was also a good three seasons ago, so the evidence that he's a quality defensive-midfielder has always been there.
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Agreed
 
Eric'sCollar said:
When he signed, I tried to isolate the positives, forgetting the price, forgetting what we need and look at what the player brings.

He is another body, to compete across all competitions, you need a big squad and he adds to that. He can (I stress can) possibly perform a number of roles. Not well but is able to. He does have a physical presence and when on his game, opposition players do worry about getting hurt when they go near him, a little like when Toure runs at defenders. Defenders never liked getting to close to Fellaini because he is all elbows, they allowed him time and space to get the ball down. However, with his lack of confidence, he has lost that presence at the moment.

So he does offer us a few things, however when we look at the big picture, for what we paid for him and what we need to be in the best in England and Europe, it didn't, doesn't and never will look good.
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This explains why he is in such bad form with the wrist problem ;)
 
His poor form is probably down to his wrist and back injuries. It's not easy to play with an injury. You never want to put yourself into challenges for fear of aggravating it further. Once he comes back hopefully he shows why moyes placed his trust in him.
 
I've forgotten that he's even at OT. I hope he can turn it round eventually. Being a Man.Utd player should be special, but it can't be a good experience for him at the moment.
 
Ole'sbodyguard said:
I really don't know how so many people can come to such definitive conclusions on Fellaini's time at United.

He's started 7 games for United and has clearly been injured and lacking fitness since he joined us from Everton. He also has made 4 sub appearances means he has made 11 appearances and most of those sub appearances have been brief. He's only made 4 Premiership starts for United scattered around a couple of months.

If you look at his international and club career before joining United, he would be our second strongest central midfielder after Carrick. I think Jones has made some really good strides in central midfield this season but Fellaini's still got a better track record in the position. Fletcher's been injured for going on 3 years, Cleverley's had a mixed time for us and Fellaini's more proven than Giggs or Anderson.

I think Moyes deserves some criticism for his tenure so far but it like certain people are not even willing to give Fellaini a chance and are writing him off before he has had one.

Personally I can't judge the performances or worth of any footballer for MUFC if they have hardly had any games and clearly have had constant fitness and injury issues. It's just ridiculously unfair on the player and far too premature.

Comparisons to Berbatov are weird. Was Berbatov injured consistently in his first six months? Not that I can recall.
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Good post.
 
Listen up Fellaini! You either shape the feck up or get the hell out! And that includes leaving your iphone at home and try to look a bit bothered when you're on the bench. You were bought for big money but never even think you are worth more than half of that you big hairy slime ball! And why are you not a threat in the air any longer?? I mean, what the feck happened to you? The level you are at now we would make best use of you as freaking flood light.
 
nahealai said:
Go and watch the match when Everton beat Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in that F.A Cup replay. Fellaini was sensational in midfield; Chelsea, arguably possessing the toughest midfield in England at the time, had no answer to him. He genuinely was that good. That game was also a good three seasons ago, so the evidence that he's a quality defensive-midfielder has always been there.
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And Anderson once shat on Fabregas....so??
 
Successful said:
Listen up Fellaini! You either shape the feck up or get the hell out! And that includes leaving your iphone at home and try to look a bit bothered when you're on the bench. You were bought for big money but never even think you are worth more than half of that you big hairy slime ball! And why are you not a threat in the air any longer?? I mean, what the feck happened to you? The level you are at now we would make best use of you as freaking flood light.
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Cringe.
 
Successful said:
Listen up Fellaini! You either shape the feck up or get the hell out! And that includes leaving your iphone at home and try to look a bit bothered when you're on the bench. You were bought for big money but never even think you are worth more than half of that you big hairy slime ball! And why are you not a threat in the air any longer?? I mean, what the feck happened to you? The level you are at now we would make best use of you as freaking flood light.
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Really? That was awful.
 
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