agreed, just don't see what everyone else sees in him...
Shinji Kagawa
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Rocket. Up. Arse. He's just too laid back and slow.
Not strong enough, brushed off the ball far too easily
He's a potentially very effective player, but it's not happening for him. We're all seeing him take up good positions but the final ball and cutting edge he's known for is lacking. Ideally he would be making a team play faster and more fluent football. Unfortunately he seems unwilling to give that little bit extra for the cause. He should be finishing chances in the box and providing better quality all round.
It's just so frustrating watching him flatter to deceive. He's one of our players who's quickly running out of excuses for his performances.
It's just so frustrating watching him flatter to deceive. He's one of our players who's quickly running out of excuses for his performances.
just goes to show how over rated that Dortmund team were. and how over rated that German league is.
He's an aesthetically pleasing player...but then you realise he doesn't actually do anything to help win games of football.
Is he really a victim of a system or is he just playing within himself and not showing any kind of fortitude?
The only way I can be fair to him is there are 11 players (sometimes 10) out there devoid of any ideas. Not just him.
Is he really a victim of a system or is he just playing within himself and not showing any kind of fortitude?
The only way I can be fair to him is there are 11 players (sometimes 10) out there devoid of any ideas. Not just him.
Kagawa's got no bollocks, it's as simple as that. No point analysing to death, he just doesn't have the personality to impose himself.
Ship him out - he won't make it here.
Ship him out - he won't make it here.
I'm tired of waiting for this guy to come good.
Not a Premier League player, sadly.
Is it racist to say that he has a tiny set of bollocks?
Very poor for you today, im shocked at hows hes failed to settle here regardless of positions he should have shown more.
Bit bored of him playing like he's only been introduced to his team mates five minutes before kick off.
One pass led to the goal. Second great pass led to a sitter that Chicharito blew.
Spent a lot of time pointing where our players should be passing the ball, which went largely ignored.
often gathered the ball, looked up to find our players standing around. Our problem is zombie football. He doesn't fit the mold of stand around and hope another player creates something on his own. He plays a more fluid team style.
Don't think todays performance is at all worthy of the shit many are talking on here.
Spent a lot of time pointing where our players should be passing the ball, which went largely ignored.
often gathered the ball, looked up to find our players standing around. Our problem is zombie football. He doesn't fit the mold of stand around and hope another player creates something on his own. He plays a more fluid team style.
Don't think todays performance is at all worthy of the shit many are talking on here.
Thank you, you put that very nicely.
How easy is it to be Kagawa when your teammates, especially Cleverley for me, takes ages to point out a pass and runs in very weird directions somewhere on the pitch.
Kagawa may not be Usain Bolt, but he has very quick movements and controls the ball nicely. He needs movement around him though.
He's useless only because the players around him aren't 'modern' footballers. The likes of Valencia are straight out of the 80's and the team plays through him to accommodate him. We lack any sort of cohesive short passing game, especially in the final third -- which is where Kagawa has the ability to excel. He's not going to go on a mazy run and go past the 5 defenders between him and the goal each time he gets the ball moving towards goal. He needs help and with the exception of Rooney, Van Persie and Welbeck, not many of our other attacking players seem to be up for it.
Should not play on the left for us. He's obviously a bloody good footballer playing in a position that doesn't suit him, in a team that doesn't suit him, in a league that doesn't suit him.
A team that made the final last year in the CL beating Real Madrid and losing to Bayern in the last minute, beating Bayern before in the league and in a cup final? Some people love to clutch at straws here.
Kagawa has exceptional control and turning ability but so far he has been shite for us.
I'm not sure what to do with Shinji. On one hand we could do with selling him to fund a new centre midfielder, but on the other if Rooney leaves, which I kind of expect, we'll have that central role free for Shinji to show us what he can do.
I think I'd prefer Adnan as our next no 10, rather then Kagawa.
He is a very good footballer no doubt. Some stupid overreactions in here as usual.
We've been shit for the whole season and him having to play as a traditional winger under Moyes is not working for him at all.
We've been shit for the whole season and him having to play as a traditional winger under Moyes is not working for him at all.
I think criticism for his performance today is harsh and for me again showed an ability to deal with getting our of tight areas. I think we'd be much better served with him playing as a 3rd midifelder with Welbeck ahead until RVP/Rooney is fit. Particularly with Januzaj playing as I'd like to see how they link up. He needs to be stronger on the ball or at least show the control Adnan does to then draw the foul though. But I didn't think he was one of the problems today.
He doesn't play as a traditional winger. He spends as much time in the middle as he does out wide. Traditional wingers take on full backs and link up with their own full back. Kagawa doesn't.
He was in the middle for much of the game. But when Kagawa is smashing a pass diagonally, across the field to Valencia, you're got a problem.
Back to this are we?
How on earth did 2 shite overrated teams manage to hammer the likes of Madrid, Barca, city, etc.He's been shite for us and we should sell him. He never stands up and takes responsibility. He plays well when others are but is not a match winner.
It was built to his strengths. He was brought as they were forming a new team, he's come to an already functioning team here and doesn't suit it at all, top players don't need a certain system to thrive.
I do agree his doesn't fit the system. But I also the the system is absolute shit and has been for about 4 years now. Stand around zombie shit.
Moyes thinks his name is Singey.
Some ridiculous overreactions in here.
The team is looking disjointed in general, and here's a player who has great skill sets for springing attacks when the team is coordinated and has a clear plan in mind. Gee, I wonder why he's having a hard time fitting in? We're generally floundering this season, and neither last season nor this one has he been given much of a chance to get into his stride (except for a small period this season, where he did look to get better for us), and people make it out like he needs to grow a pair and impose himself? I thought he did well in getting himself involved today, until it became clear that most of our side lacks belief in themselves, at least compared to Swansea.
He might be a bit of a luxury player, but there's no reason he should be wasted here.
The team is looking disjointed in general, and here's a player who has great skill sets for springing attacks when the team is coordinated and has a clear plan in mind. Gee, I wonder why he's having a hard time fitting in? We're generally floundering this season, and neither last season nor this one has he been given much of a chance to get into his stride (except for a small period this season, where he did look to get better for us), and people make it out like he needs to grow a pair and impose himself? I thought he did well in getting himself involved today, until it became clear that most of our side lacks belief in themselves, at least compared to Swansea.
He might be a bit of a luxury player, but there's no reason he should be wasted here.
Why doesn't he ever shoot? He always gets into a good position then does a 180 degree turn before laying the ball off. He always dribbles towards goal and just when you expect him to do something he slows down and passes the ball sideways.
He's a Bundesliga player, a poor man's Mata who doesn't quite have enough extra to make it in the premier league, certainly not at United where expectation is so high. If he went back to Dortmund, we'd see the old Kagawa again because that league suits him down to the ground.
He would be good in the Arsenal team imo. With their movement it would suit him so much more.
Lol you guys are something else. I watched game on record and I'm not sure what game you all were watching. it wasn't a great performance but he was one of the few players moving around trying to make things happen. If you watch the game again or even just highlights I assure you, you will see that he tried to make things happen and drive the team forward.
Adnan does a better job of driving forward than Kagawa as he loves taking players on but he found it tough to have an effect on the game as well as we were that disjointed in our attack. In terms of trying to drive the team forward with his passing and movement, I think he showed that pretty well today. But some of you just see what you want to see. So his combinations with Welbeck, Chicharito, Cleverley, Adnan in attempts to break down Swansea in their box seem pointless to you lot? I get that he should be doing more but i think the criticism from some of you is way over the top. If that was Rooney, you wouldn't call it "gormless", "poor" etc. The moving goalposts is getting ridiculous.
No. It wasn't a great performance from him but how is it useless when a player is continuously showing for the ball and trying to do something with it when other players weren't even trying to do that? The team performance could have been better. The red card killed us and we just werent good enough in the final third and should have done better. But i'm not going to act like Kagawa did nothing that game.
Adnan does a better job of driving forward than Kagawa as he loves taking players on but he found it tough to have an effect on the game as well as we were that disjointed in our attack. In terms of trying to drive the team forward with his passing and movement, I think he showed that pretty well today. But some of you just see what you want to see. So his combinations with Welbeck, Chicharito, Cleverley, Adnan in attempts to break down Swansea in their box seem pointless to you lot? I get that he should be doing more but i think the criticism from some of you is way over the top. If that was Rooney, you wouldn't call it "gormless", "poor" etc. The moving goalposts is getting ridiculous.
No. It wasn't a great performance from him but how is it useless when a player is continuously showing for the ball and trying to do something with it when other players weren't even trying to do that? The team performance could have been better. The red card killed us and we just werent good enough in the final third and should have done better. But i'm not going to act like Kagawa did nothing that game.
Well that's debatable but not really an argument for this thread.
Ive always felt Kagawa has looked very dangerous when playing through the middle, but out wide he is only a fraction of the player he is centrally.
I imagine that in the summer, one of Kagawa, Rooney or RVP will leave, meaning the other two will then line up as our first choice #9 and #10.
I imagine that in the summer, one of Kagawa, Rooney or RVP will leave, meaning the other two will then line up as our first choice #9 and #10.
Today, Kagawa probably took more risks than he has in a while. It shows how sheltered he's been playing which is a shame and does him no favors. At the same time, it's not all his fault. And people wonder why Rooney, Rvp and our other good attackers aren't looking at their very best in these type of games. They are doing their best but sometimes that is not enough
But he did.
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