'Hi, honey! I'm home!'?
Moyes So Far!
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'Hi, honey! I'm home!'?
Cash and Cash equivalents in the Q1 Reports were at £83m. So it's not a lie.
It's just Glazernomics, Woody and the right players actually being available.
As if, he is way to dour for such cheeriness. I reckon he gives her a steely stare and then walks upstairs without a word.
Either that or he doesnt even go home, he just stands outside dithering about whether to get his keys out of his pocket.
I hope they have plenty of WD40 to get it open.
It's more just a repeat of the Summer is what I was implying, not saying it's a lie at all. We know the money is there, we just can't/aren't using it!
I was thinking he'd tell to her get upstairs to er... discuss modern day tactics.
She would be expected to know without being told. She would get a look and sheepishly take herself upstairs.
Awww come on, am I the only one thinking he's the complete opposite at home?
In command?
wasn't really theirs either
He wasnt his wife's first choice but he was with the girlfriend he had before her for ages so it seemed like the right decision.
I reckon he's an animal in between the sheets. 'Roarrrrrr!.
Good article
It sounds like you've thought about this too often Spoony. it's no wonder you're so disinterested in the football these days, it's all about the sex factor of managers for you.
It's a fecking awful article. The bit about Smalling is uninformed and laughable. The guy has played about 4 games at centre back all season.
Sir Alex sitting in the stands has nothing to do with the awful coaching going on at Carrington either.
Sir Alex sitting in the stands has nothing to do with the awful coaching going on at Carrington either.
Just been speaking to an Everton fan and they told me they didnt believe the players had it in them to play football this good. Pretty much seems up our players footballing demise since this guy has come in.
I wonder if that part is true?
Goodness knows what is going on behind the closed doors at Carrington. One day...we're going to find out what the players throught of this time when one of them leaves the club and spills the beans. At this rate it will probably be Rooney!
Also, Moyes says he talks to Alex..phones him etc...what on earth would Ferguson be saying to him now.
Also, Moyes says he talks to Alex..phones him etc...what on earth would Ferguson be saying to him now.
There's no quality players to get in January David. Trust in the players you have.
I agree with a lot of what you said there, including the need to live with the reality of the marketplace, rather than expect to put our own valuations on players. However, there's a difference between not "solely down to Moyes," and questioning whether Moyes was/is/will be the best manager for the club.
A fair crack of the whip then?
6 months - certainly not, but people start to look for a pattern of progress and so far they aren't seeing it.
We hear that Moyes is all about fitness. Yet the players aren't faster, haven't got more stamina, aren't more resistant to injuries, aren't ready for a two game a week schedule. We've got one vague hope left - that the work will make them stronger in the second half of the season. Let's hope that.
We hear that Moyes didn't just reject the old regime's coaching team, he also rejected the transfer targets list and the scouting reports. This is Moyes' squad, he had months to look at it (as an observer then as coach) before the summer window closed but he ignored players who were moving and ended up trying to get business done in the final week. Woodward's inexperience probably didn't help but nor did things like leaving a loan deal to the final minutes before the deadline and trying to do a deal with Athletic that would have left them with an impossible job to find a (Basque) replacement only days before the window closed.
Then there's the team on the pitch. The defence looks clueless. The attack relies on luck and individual brilliance. There's no sense of a new style or a changed rhythm, that the team is struggling to learn. They're just struggling. Thankfully we've all had Januzaj to cheer, else it would have looked bleak indeed.
What I hope to see before the end of the season is change, is improvement, is growth, is the confidence coming back. Fourth place? Sadly we'll be relying on others to slip up, as well on ourselves improving. But I hope to see something that makes it look like we're progressing.
Preferably something that says if Moyes gets the keys to the warchest, he'll know exactly how to spend it.
The way things are currently going Moyes may just be used as a bullet sponge to soften the blow in our transition post-SAF. Once he's taken the blame for our inevitable dip in standards, the next manager has less pressure on them because of new lowered standards.
the fact Fergie won the title with pretty much the same squad is a further indictment of Moyes, I'm afraid. I'm not excusing players for not showing up. But the two huge mistakes Moyes is responsible for are not getting that midfield sorted in the summer....you can blame Woodward...but imo Moyes has to carry a big share of the blame. The tactics and team selection are Moyes. No running away from it. Its different when Fergie became our manager. He had to build a title winning side...but Moyes seems to have gone the other way. The squad was not perfect....but it was not falling apart. Our footie now certainly is.Why change the backroom staff completely? I'm not saying we need to get rid of Moyes. But he does not seem to be handling it all well.
The idea is that even if we had things that needed sorting out (rather than being in a mess), then appointing someone who isn't right and isn't capable of solving it, is what took a highly manageable situation and made it far worse.
I like David Moyes, when he was at Everton I was hoping he'd get a good job offer and get a chance to prove himself at a higher level. But jumping straight to United was jumping the shark.
"United can save their season, but only if they sack Moyes"
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/the-hairdryer/united-save-season-only-sack-moyes-205313137.html
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/the-hairdryer/united-save-season-only-sack-moyes-205313137.html
It's drivel by a sports journalist who doesn't understand finance.
In United's quarterly report for the quarter ending September 30, 2013, the following language was present:
The above are "forward-looking statements" that support United's financial projections. They essentially disclose the management's views concerning United's profitability, given a certain set of assumptions. They give no power to investors to pull money out of the club and do not automatically impact the transfer budget.
Because Roma said so.
About your last point that's cool if we have finances of Manchester City, but that isn't the case. I think that it was deluded to expect that we'll have an 80m net spend on that summer (or in any transfer window for what is worth), we have never done so and won't do it as long as we have owners whose priority is getting money from the club.
We have been starting games well lately, but then before half time seem to be running out of puff. Whatever the training is, it isn't making them fitter. They must have been watching the latest Anderson fitness dvd.
Even Anders concedes we are in a very strong financial position now with FFP and all the commercial deals we have been putting in place. Whether Glazer will sanction significant spending is a known unknown, but even if we write this season off to the worst case scenario we should be able to spend big in the summer if we want to. The only question is whether we will be able to attract stars without CL football. Its the not being in the competition itself, rather than missing the revenue derived from being in it, that will hurt us more IMO.
I love the way he says sacking Moyes would solve everything, then what sonny? Come up with a new manager for us if you're that wise.
With us playing two games in three days and Rafael out, meaning Smalling was put at right back, that left a gap at CB that needed filling for both games. Both Vidic and Rio can't play two games in three days, so Rio played yesterday and Vidic will play tomorrow.
Rio is not suddenly going to become a fixture in the team now. With the various injuries we had, there wasn't much alternative besides putting Fabio at right back and Smalling in the middle, which would have been the sensible thing to do.
Looking at the title of that link, the fear factor hasn't really been at Old Trafford for a long time - before Moyes even took the job. There was still a bit there, but more teams knew that if they applied pressure, they could get a result. This season with no Fergie, it's continued and has pretty much evaporated altogether.
I always find this attitude to this amazing. He started the job on July 1st. 1 week later he was in Asia on tour with his new team. On that tour he gave some youngsters a run as well as having the chance to get to know most of his players. Woodward was completely new to the job and started at the same time. Expecting Moyes to have sorted out the midfield issue in the summer period given that he was new, needed to get to know the team and spent a decent chunk of the pre season away on tour with all its different obligations is pretty rich. No manager anywhere in the world could have worked out who, when and why to change and also been able to pull off the deals to sort the midfield issue out in that timeframe and under those constraints when new to this job.
It's a difficult question. I think that in a WC year it can be hard to get the players you want during the summer, as teams seem to go a bit mad and spunk the cash indiscriminately. Added to that the fact that if you buy a player at the WC it's a leap of faith that you'll see him at his best, as players often come back tired and struggling to settle in, as they'll have missed much of the pre-season and won't have had a sustained rest. And, as you mention, we might not even have the carrot of CL football to offer. As bad as last summer was, it may end up looking even worse in retrospect if we don't qualify for the CL or can't bring in the players we want next summer to make an immediate impact.
There's no good reason to believe that. He's been inept so far and the most probable prognosis is that he will continue to be so. Why compound the error of a bad appointment by sticking with it? There are plenty of good managers out there, and, in practice, clubs can't hold on to managers who want to leave because it's bad for morale. Provided we know what we want, and are prepared to spend big, we can get a good replacement.
Several other new managers seems to have sorted themselves out alright in the summer. Shitty had pretty much done all their business before Peligrini even started. Why we couldn't have started on transfer negotiations before Moyes started I have no idea. Could have sat down with SAF, Gill, Moyes & Woodward at the end of May before everyone went on holiday and had a plan of action ready.
Its true. Moyes will be in an unenviable position this summer if we do miss out on the CL, but he will have to shine in that window, if he doesnt he is going to get very little sympathy, despite the mitigating circumstances you mention.
There's one: SAF anointed him. Maybe SAF got it spectacularly wrong but surely we have to believe he is better than inept? And this coming from someone who has said on here more than once that SAF shouldnt even have been the one picking his successor, it should have been the job of the person who would ultimately be his boss.
I think it would be open season on Moyes within the media if he exited next summer's window still banging the 'jam tomorrow' drum. For that reason alone I think we're going to really go for it this summer. You just hope we don't allow ourselves to get drawn into another Fabregas saga and waste the summer chasing players that want to be elsewhere.
Pellegrini, Ancelotti, Mourinho, Martinez, Pep all started the job at the same time as Moyes but somehow they managed to get a few players they wanted.
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