Who would you have as our new manager

If its a stop gap, for two seasons to shore up the team with immediate effect, its better to go for the experienced ones Hiddink, Van Gaal or Capello.

Or may be a young manager like Laudrup, Martinez or Ole with a zest for attacking football who can be groomed under the tutelage of Fergie.
 
If United were to sack Moyes, I think the best choice would be Hiddink. I reckon he'd get you lot back on track.
 
He also relegated Wigan and getting back from Championship is hell of work to do.

Martinez team is doing better than Moyes ever did ? I'd wait with such claims untill end of the season really, Moyes got Everton to fourth at the end of the season, Martinez is yet to do that.

To be fair, whoever throws names like Martinez, Pochettino, Ole is having a crack imo, those managers wouldn't do much better than Moyes did and I don't want to imagine all the shit Ole would be getting at this stage of the season, it would've been pathetic. Laudrup's name is being mentioned too yet Swans are playing like shit in the league this season.
Wigan had also a far worse team than Everton and had a lower budget.

What does it matter that Moyes finishes four when even in that case he bottled it and couldn't send the team in Europe (not even in UEFA cup). He lost from Villareal and then got embarrased by a shit team on first roun of UEFA.

Why he didn't win a single cup when clubs with lower finances did? Why he didn't win a single away match in almost 50 games against top 4?

Why Moyes can't play as good and het as good results as Martinez with a far better team and with far more money to spend?
 
If United were to sack Moyes, I think the best choice would be Hiddink. I reckon he'd get you lot back on track.

Agree with this. I think we need an experienced hand who can instill a bit of confidence in the place and would be someone all the players would immediately respect.

All hypothetical of course.
 
Exactly what I expected. You don't have opinions that come from you but only rehashes things that some t0p reds say. United should stick with manager because it is a proven science that if you stick with a manager - regardless how shit he is - he'll turn out to be amazing. Glazers are bad despite we have had our best period in history under them, our revenues have been more than doubled, they never have interferred with the manager's job, our wage is higher than of any other team bar suggar dadys clubs and Real/Barca and we spend a lot in transfers. Like it or not, we have spend arounf 170m since the summer of 2011. On 30 months. That is a serious investment.
People like you are the worst thing for the club. So-called fans who stand by and defend the Glazers. We can argue about players and managers and tactics but this is one thing that should unite every Manchester United fan. Man City have spent less money on transfers than we have on debt repayments.
 
van Gaal!? So we spend a year trying to implement a new style of football, then get in a new totally contrasting manager who'll spend the next year doing the same thing. He's also 62, Holland manager, and I absolutely hate his face.


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Achieved very little. Did very well with Molde, a totally insignificant club. Had a poor start at Cardiff. Not the revolutionary many expected/hoped.

feck me sideways, lads, these are some God-awful suggestions.

Very little ? very well ? explain how a team can finish 11th one season then the next win the league for the first time in their history and retain it the season after, if the manager has not in my opinion done something quite remarkable , and I think its not being very nice to say totally insignificant about a team that played in the champions league, the 2012-2013season losing out to basel in the qualifying rounds on away goals the same basel that beat Chelsea home and away this season. I am not for one minute saying that the Tippeligaen is anywhere near the premier league but there's things there that are more in common with Fergie breaking the auld firm domination of the SPL .

The really funny thing is that his backroom staff that he brought with him to Cardiff have actually more in common with United than the some of the people Moyes brought to the club
http://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/team/Management/

To answer the original question , I would have Ole as our new manager its a totally hypothetical question though, but I honestly doubt we would be in the position we are at this minute if he we was our current manager
 
van Gaal!? So we spend a year trying to implement a new style of football, then get in a new totally contrasting manager who'll spend the next year doing the same thing. He's also 62, Holland manager, and I absolutely hate his face.

Flavour of the month. Dortmund struggling horrendously this year.

Not really achieved anything. His 'achievements' this season don't count as they haven't actually won anything yet. Their squad is far too small to keep it going on all fronts. Something has to give. Also flavour of the month.

Jesus.

Achieved very little. Did very well with Molde, a totally insignificant club. Had a poor start at Cardiff. Not the revolutionary many expected/hoped.

feck me sideways, lads, these are some God-awful suggestions.
Simeone has won the copa de rey, Europa League and the European Super Cup, which his team had to beat the CL winners. He's won a bit more than David Moyes ever has.
 
Personally I think that van Gaal is a good choice. Sure he'll most likely turn his squad/management against him eventually, however I think he's really great when it comes to beginng a transition and laying a very solid foundation for long term success. Imo he contributed a lot to Bayern's current success.
 
Wigan had also a far worse team than Everton and had a lower budget.

What does it matter that Moyes finishes four when even in that case he bottled it and couldn't send the team in Europe (not even in UEFA cup). He lost from Villareal and then got embarrased by a shit team on first roun of UEFA.

Why he didn't win a single cup when clubs with lower finances did? Why he didn't win a single away match in almost 50 games against top 4?

Why Moyes can't play as good and het as good results as Martinez with a far better team and with far more money to spend?

What does it matter that Martinez won FA Cup and at the same time relegated a team and thus they've lost plenty of money ?

He was punching above weights with Everton, in the last years they were finishing above Liverpool who's had better team, he didn't win a cup because it would've cost Everton to drop to the midtable or to the lower half of the table. Birmingham won FA ( or was it LC ? ) and got relegated, Wigan won FA cup and got relegated, once you start focusing on the cup, you bleed out in the league.

The last bolded, I have no idea, we're playing like shit and look bad in the league but we're also fecked over by injuries this season. Somebody brought that argument in order to defend BVB, same applies here, yet I still think that it doesn't explain the situation fully and we should've been higher in the table.

Again, neither Martinez nor Laudrup, Ole or Pochettino would be the answer to our club if Moyes is not.
 
People like you are the worst thing for the club. So-called fans who stand by and defend the Glazers. We can argue about players and managers and tactics but this is one thing that should unite every Manchester United fan. Man City have spent less money on transfers than we have on debt repayments.

Again lie.

Glazers are good. Not brilliant but ok. People only use the debt argument and never use that our revenue has been doubled. The same people who moan for not signing players and then laugh when we sign Mr.Potato. Like those 2 things aren't related.

Why should we get united under Glazers when they are doing a good job, we have been succesful, they don't interfere (I wish they do in Moyes case) and are backing the manager. They are a billion times better than the previous regime. But yeah, some people say that they're bad so we should get united against them. And what then? Who'll spend 3 billions on us?
 
What does it matter that Martinez won FA Cup and at the same time relegated a team and thus they've lost plenty of money ?

He was punching above weights with Everton, in the last years they were finishing above Liverpool who's had better team, he didn't win a cup because it would've cost Everton to drop to the midtable or to the lower half of the table. Birmingham won FA ( or was it LC ? ) and got relegated, Wigan won FA cup and got relegated, once you start focusing on the cup, you bleed out in the league.

The last bolded, I have no idea, we're playing like shit and look bad in the league but we're also fecked over by injuries this season. Somebody brought that argument in order to defend BVB, same applies here, yet I still think that it doesn't explain the situation fully and we should've been higher in the table.

Again, neither Martinez nor Laudrup, Ole or Pochettino would be the answer to our club if Moyes is not.

And what is the harm on that? It isn't that in EPL you get so much more money by finishing 7th rather than 12th.

Go read what Everton fans say? They all would have swapped an FA/Carling Cup with a 6-7th place that anyway didn't bring any glory to them. While for us those trophies are insignificant, for them, they are the only trophies they may hope to ever win.
 
van Gaal!? So we spend a year trying to implement a new style of football, then get in a new totally contrasting manager who'll spend the next year doing the same thing. He's also 62, Holland manager, and I absolutely hate his face.

What style of football are we implementing? Genuinely, what is different from last year? We cross more, press a bit more (badly) and we play Rooney higher up the pitch in a 4-4-2, if that's Moyes' grand plan then he can keep it, thanks.

Flavour of the month. Dortmund struggling horrendously this year.

Took over a side going nowhere in 13th, and within a couple of years won two leagues and got to a Champions League final, if Klopp is flavour of the month what the feck does that make Moyes?

Not really achieved anything. His 'achievements' this season don't count as they haven't actually won anything yet. Their squad is far too small to keep it going on all fronts. Something has to give. Also flavour of the month.

Won the Copa del Rey and Europa League meaning he's won more than Moyes already. And for the second year running they are challenging for a title, something Moyes has never done.

feck me sideways, lads, these are some God-awful suggestions.

I do generally agree with your overall argument, Moyes is here now and should get the summer to rebuild unless a Guardiola becomes available, but arguing in favour of Moyes by belittling managers who have achieved far more than him probably isn't the best way to go.
 
Flavour* of the month. Yes. Watched much of Dortmund this season? He won't last at Dortmund. Honestly, assuming we get through against Olympiakos, they're the most preferable opponent we could get in the quarters. You make out like he's kept Dortmund at the top of German football for a decade. He got them up there and now it can't be maintained.

Ole's hardly set the world alight has he? It's not so much that he had a poor start as that he's not really done anything that we expected of him in order for him to be a viable candidate at United. If he comes to Old Trafford or City and gets a result, then maybe you can start believing the hype, but in the end, he didn't, and they weren't remotely convincing against Norwich. He's not the saviour you want.

Tell me where all the talk for Simeone to be our next manager was before this season. Nowhere to be seen.
I'm sorry Liam but this is just a shocking post. Every thing in it is wrong. Dortmund have probably been the best and most exciting team to watch in Europe these past few years, and have won plenty of trophies under him as well despite having virtually no funds to compete with Bayern. This season they've struggled because they've had the worst luck with injuries I've ever seen. They're first and second choice back line all got long term injuries, along with a few of their midfielders. Any team is going to struggle, yet they are still good to watch.
In his first season in charge, he took them from 13th place to 6th, along with winning the Supercup against Bayern. The season after, he finished 5th, showing continuous improvements and getting them to play better together, and then he managed to win back to back league titles with them, along with winning the german cup, and then last season he finished 2nd place behind Bayern but got to the champions league final. All this while being brilliant to watch and on basically a net spend of like 4 million.

Ole has taken over a Cardiff side who had to play united, City and Arsenal, and Newcastle away I think all in their first few games. I'm not exactly sure what you expected, but at Molde he won back to back titles for the first time in their history, and I think he'll manage to save Cardiff from relegation too. Also on Simeone, there were plenty on here saying he'd be a great choice, because of how good he's made them the past few years. Again, they're challenging for the title now after winning the cup against Madrid last season, and all while playing good stuff, and not spending loads on players (in fact they, like Dortmund, have lost their best players every summer).

Its not flavour of the month when they've been doing it for years. Its just recognizing great young managers.
 
Again lie.

Glazers are good. Not brilliant but ok. People only use the debt argument and never use that our revenue has been doubled. The same people who moan for not signing players and then laugh when we sign Mr.Potato. Like those 2 things aren't related.

Why should we get united under Glazers when they are doing a good job, we have been succesful, they don't interfere (I wish they do in Moyes case) and are backing the manager. They are a billion times better than the previous regime. But yeah, some people say that they're bad so we should get united against them. And what then? Who'll spend 3 billions on us?
Not lie. feck off. I don't care if I get infracted or banned for this because you are talking absolute bollocks here.

Since 2007/08 Man City have spent roughly £510m on transfers whereas our debt repayments have topped £600m. These are facts that you are ignoring and I don't know why. I don't know why you (or anyone else) is like this towards them. They are leeching parasites.

They don't interfere with the manager? Whoopdy fecking do. Would you interfere with the best manager to have ever lived? They oversaw our most successful period. You mean when we had the world's best player, bought for a grand total of £12.5m, before they were even here? Catch a fecking grip.
 
...and what the feck do you mean by this? Go on, explain yourself you kneejerk idiot. With the exception of one Irishman, we've always had British managers.

Or are you one of the: "OMFG, GET MOYEZ OUT SO WE CAN HAZ MOURINHO OR KLOPP THEN BUY MESSI AND NEYMAR LMFAO"

Why don't you go support your local team? Plastic.

Chill out man. On evidence of Fergie's last years and Moyes at the moment it feels as if tactical intertia is stopping us from realizing the true potential of our existing squad (excluding Neymar and Messi). All I'm saying is that the football landscape is changing and we should get with the times.
 
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I'm sorry Liam but this is just a shocking post. Every thing in it is wrong. Dortmund have probably been the best and most exciting team to watch in Europe these past few years, and have won plenty of trophies under him as well despite having virtually no funds to compete with Bayern. This season they've struggled because they've had the worst luck with injuries I've ever seen. They're first and second choice back line all got long term injuries, along with a few of their midfielders. Any team is going to struggle, yet they are still good to watch.
In his first season in charge, he took them from 13th place to 6th, along with winning the Supercup against Bayern. The season after, he finished 5th, showing continuous improvements and getting them to play better together, and then he managed to win back to back league titles with them, along with winning the german cup, and then last season he finished 2nd place behind Bayern but got to the champions league final. All this while being brilliant to watch and on basically a net spend of like 4 million.

Ole has taken over a Cardiff side who had to play united, City and Arsenal, and Newcastle away I think all in their first few games. I'm not exactly sure what you expected, but at Molde he won back to back titles for the first time in their history, and I think he'll manage to save Cardiff from relegation too. Also on Simeone, there were plenty on here saying he'd be a great choice, because of how good he's made them the past few years. Again, they're challenging for the title now after winning the cup against Madrid last season, and all while playing good stuff, and not spending loads on players (in fact they, like Dortmund, have lost their best players every summer).

Its not flavour of the month when they've been doing it for years. Its just recognizing great young managers.
Have we not had bad luck with injuries? It's not that Klopp's a bad manager, I've said this. But I don't see what's so proven about him over a number of years. Moyes was consistent with Everton for a decade. If Klopp can maintain this at Dortmund (or another club) I'll change my tune. You'll see over the next few years that these top young managers will go to other clubs and won't be as successful.
 
Not lie. feck off. I don't care if I get infracted or banned for this because you are talking absolute bollocks here.

Since 2007/08 Man City have spent roughly £510m on transfers whereas our debt repayments have topped £600m. These are facts that you are ignoring and I don't know why. I don't know why you (or anyone else) is like this towards them. They are leeching parasites.

They don't interfere with the manager? Whoopdy fecking do. Would you interfere with the best manager to have ever lived? They oversaw our most successful period. You mean when we had the world's best player, bought for a grand total of £12.5m, before they were even here? Catch a fecking grip.
Actually they have spend around 680m on transfers since they've bought City.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/manchester-city-transfers.html

More than Glazers on debt.

A good question why they don't interfere with a great manager? Why Roman or Perez do on the other hand? Answer me.

They are parasites? What about our significant increase on revenue? Parasites don't give you nothing, you should have probably learnt that by now.
 
And what is the harm on that? It isn't that in EPL you get so much more money by finishing 7th rather than 12th.

Go read what Everton fans say? They all would have swapped an FA/Carling Cup with a 6-7th place that anyway didn't bring any glory to them. While for us those trophies are insignificant, for them, they are the only trophies they may hope to ever win.

If they dropped from 6th to say 13th, they would've lost around 7-8 mln quid, not to mention some contracts values and so on, for such clubs, it's pretty much a player. It might not be a lot for us, but if you're tight on a budget like Moyes was in Everton, then it is some cash.

If I were to read and judge the club on what 'the fans say' and I was a neutral, I'd say that United is a fecking circus right now and most of the fans are complete idiots. It doesn't tell the whole story, does it ? The owners won't appraise manager on what fans say about him but where he finishes in the league. He was given orders at the start of the season that he should get x, y and z. If x was higher on the priority list than y, then he focused on z.

Again, Wigan won a cup, Birmingham won a cup, both are in Championship now and the latter is yet to see Premier League since 2011.
 
He's also used some of the world's best players. Falcao, anyone?
Atletico are better this season than last, without Falcao. When Simeone took over Atleti sat 10th in the league, with Falcao in the team. They have improved dramatically and finally found stability under Simeone. They beat Real Madrid twice at the bernebeu in 2013, one for the cup win. Something they hadn't achieved for 14 years. He's had Atletico up at the top all season, got them through a tough champions league group convincingly. He's worked wonders there. Your underrating of other managers is astounding. Is it partly because you don't like the thought of people saying Moyes isn't right for us?
 
Dortmund is his spiritual home and I can't see him wanting to leave there...he is guaranteed Champions League football every year...he is guaranteed many of the top up and coming German talents if Bayern can't find room for them and there is a hell of a lot more of those coming through than English talents. I'd say Klopp is happier at Dortmund than most managers are at the clubs they are at and I just can't see him wanting to leave any time soon

If you offer him the job and he says no thats fine. You cant do anything but try. But if you dont even offer him the job, then its a bad choice
 
Have we not had bad luck with injuries? It's not that Klopp's a bad manager, I've said this. But I don't see what's so proven about him over a number of years. Moyes was consistent with Everton for a decade. If Klopp can maintain this at Dortmund (or another club) I'll change my tune. You'll see over the next few years that these top young managers will go to other clubs and won't be as successful.
In which universe finishing consistently in 8 position is more proven than finishing consistently in top 5, winning 2 leagues against Bayern and going into UCL final.

We have had injuries but nowhere as bad as Dortmund. In one period they had out basically they entire back four, their three main midfielders and a few of those replacements. That's the equivalent of having Vidic, Evans, Rafael, Smalling, Evra, Carrick, Cleverley and Jones out at the same time.
 
In which universe finishing consistently in 8 position is more proven than finishing consistently in top 5, winning 2 leagues against Bayern and going into UCL final.

We have had injuries but nowhere as bad as Dortmund. In one period they had out basically they entire back four, their three main midfielders and a few of those replacements. That's the equivalent of having Vidic, Evans, Rafael, Smalling, Evra, Carrick, Cleverley and Jones out at the same time.
Exactly. Dortmund have been decimated with injuries this season. It's fine to use as an excuse for Moyes but not for Klopp it seems.
 
If they dropped from 6th to say 13th, they would've lost around 7-8 mln quid, not to mention some contracts values and so on, for such clubs, it's pretty much a player. It might not be a lot for us, but if you're tight on a budget like Moyes was in Everton, then it is some cash.

If I were to read and judge the club on what 'the fans say' and I was a neutral, I'd say that United is a fecking circus right now and most of the fans are complete idiots. It doesn't tell the whole story, does it ? The owners won't appraise manager on what fans say about him but where he finishes in the league. He was given orders at the start of the season that he should get x, y and z. If x was higher on the priority list than y, then he focused on z.

Again, Wigan won a cup, Birmingham won a cup, both are in Championship now and the latter is yet to see Premier League since 2011.
Didn't Kenwright said that he asked Moyes to bring a cup, not a better finish on the league (he could have been lying there, of course).

Point is Moyes was very good for them for around 5 years or so. But on the last 5 years he didn't improve at all. He stagnated there and it was clear that he can't send them to the next level. I don't know if Martinez can, but the first signs are very encouraging. He has by now more points than Moyes ever had (in the same number of games) and Everton are playing better than they ever did under Moyes.
 
If you offer him the job and he says no thats fine. You cant do anything but try. But if you dont even offer him the job, then its a bad choice

Nonsense. The first thing you do if you want to headhunt someone is sound out whether they're interested in a move or not.

Klopp quite obviously isn't.
 
Atletico are better this season than last, without Falcao. When Simeone took over Atleti sat 10th in the league, with Falcao in the team. They have improved dramatically and finally found stability under Simeone. They beat Real Madrid twice at the bernebeu in 2013, one for the cup win. Something they hadn't achieved for 14 years. He's had Atletico up at the top all season, got them through a tough champions league group convincingly. He's worked wonders there. Your underrating of other managers is astounding. Is it partly because you don't like the thought of people saying Moyes isn't right for us?

And because it is clear that he has no idea of football outside of England (or even there).
 
Didn't Kenwright said that he asked Moyes to bring a cup, not a better finish on the league (he could have been lying there, of course).

Point is Moyes was very good for them for around 5 years or so. But on the last 5 years he didn't improve at all. He stagnated there and it was clear that he can't send them to the next level. I don't know if Martinez can, but the first signs are very encouraging. He has by now more points than Moyes ever had (in the same number of games) and Everton are playing better than they ever did under Moyes.

About the former I have no idea, if you give me source then fair enough.

He didn't improve? I'd say that not falling behind when other teams moved forward was sort of 'improvement'. Everton was more or less stable in finishing in places between 5-8, lately they were finishing above Liverpool ( which I'm pretty sure some of those earlier mentioned Everton fans forgot, they've had the bragging right after all ) and the whole 'everton play better now' is same boring cliche as Rafael can't defend, Welbeck can't score and so on.

Unless Everton start spending or the whole table gets fecked upside down, I can't really see Martinez 'taking them to the next level'. That's why I repeat that changing Moyes with one of those constantly mentioned medicore managers has no use. If we're to change him then it has to be the very top, top shelf.
 
Actually they have spend around 680m on transfers since they've bought City.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/manchester-city-transfers.html

More than Glazers on debt.

A good question why they don't interfere with a great manager? Why Roman or Perez do on the other hand? Answer me.

They are parasites? What about our significant increase on revenue? Parasites don't give you nothing, you should have probably learnt that by now.
I'm talking net spend. Perez probably does because he's a power freak. Roman I'm not convinced ever has. He just sacks them routinely. The result? One league title in seven (going on eight) years.

I'm not arguing with you about the Glazers. You're horrendously misinformed and wrong.
 
Anyone that thinks Klopp wouldn't be awesome is deluded...he'd bring a rake of top up and coming German kids with him....he will never leave Dortmund though as he is obviously more motivated by winning with Dortmund than money and that's why he is a special manager.....Moyes is a workaholic but he has no record of being a winner.....Klopp on the other hand is obviously a born winner
 
I'm talking net spend. Perez probably does because he's a power freak. Roman I'm not convinced ever has. He just sacks them routinely. The result? One league title in seven (going on eight) years.

I'm not arguing with you about the Glazers. You're horrendously misinformed and wrong.

No, I am not. I am just making my opinion on how things are, not in how bad we expected things to be under Glazers.

Also, it isn't important how many titles Chelsea have won. The point was why Roman interferes with plans of great managers like Mourinho/Ancelotti. Glazers could have done the same. They didn't. You have to give credit to them becaue in most of the clubs the owners usually interfere. And usually they are wrong when they do that.
 
Have we not had bad luck with injuries? It's not that Klopp's a bad manager, I've said this. But I don't see what's so proven about him over a number of years. Moyes was consistent with Everton for a decade. If Klopp can maintain this at Dortmund (or another club) I'll change my tune. You'll see over the next few years that these top young managers will go to other clubs and won't be as successful.
They've had far worse luck then us this season, with a smaller squad. Also klopp has maintained a level of consistency. They have 5m net spend since he took over in 2008, 5 and a half years ago, in which time he took them from a struggling team who were fighting to stay in the league (like moyes with Everton) and took them to 6th, 5th, 1st, 1st, 2nd and now are 3rd. In the mean time, they've also won't the equivalent of the fa cup and gotten to a champions league final after smashing Real Madrid 4-1 along the way, and winning the group of death comfortably. All this while being the most exciting team in Europe (arguably but they're up there). How is that not fantastic consistency? Is consistency only considered if you've been at the club for over 10 years and keeping a club in 6th or 7th place every single year or if you do what sir Alex has done? Klopp has done infinitely better in half the time with Dortmund as moyes had at Everton, spending a similar amount of money and playing great football, not long ball stuff for the majority of the time at Everton. It's not even a comparison. You're doing klopp a massive disservice here.

For what it's worth, there's no chance he's leaving Dortmund any time soon, but in an ideal world, he would have been the perfect choice along with mourinho. I think he's basically the German sir Alex though and will stay there for the long haul.
 
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No, I am not. I am just making my opinion on how things are, not in how bad we expected things to be under Glazers.

Also, it isn't important how many titles Chelsea have won. The point was why Roman interferes with plans of great managers like Mourinho/Ancelotti. Glazers could have done the same. They didn't. You have to give credit to them becaue in most of the clubs the owners usually interfere. And usually they are wrong when they do that.
How does he? By sacking them you mean? That's not interfering. That's doing the very thing you want your precious Glazers to do to our manager.

Well done Malcolm, not sacking Fergie after all those years in the wilderness was a stroke of genius.
 
Actually they have spend around 680m on transfers since they've bought City.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/manchester-city-transfers.html

More than Glazers on debt.

A good question why they don't interfere with a great manager? Why Roman or Perez do on the other hand? Answer me.

They are parasites? What about our significant increase on revenue? Parasites don't give you nothing, you should have probably learnt that by now.
They are parasitic blood-sucking fecking cnuts who will have taken a full £1 billion out of the club in a few years. The significant increases in revenue which they can claim any credit for have not resulted in any extra benefit to the club in terms of transfer spending (they essentially brag about this to investors) or in terms of anything relevant to supporters like ticket price/ACS controls. It, along with our very significant increase in TV revenue which they had nothing much to do with, is being used to service and pay down their mammoth debt.

Why does Abramovich feel he has the right to interfere with great managers? He did spend £2 billion on Chelsea in 10 years. Just that slight bit of difference that makes the sense of entitlement understandable.

The Glazers are also purely involved with United for the profit and have no interest in the sport whatsoever. Why would they want to interfere with a manager steadying their heavily debt-loaded ship? It would also only attract a lot of unwanted media and supporter attention to their blood-sucking activities.