Most, maybe, but definitely not all. Unless I've massively misread opinion on here? (Including some in this thread!).
Was kind of hoping to get the vocal minority to have the courage of their convictions.
Who here hopes United get spanked tonight?
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Most, maybe, but definitely not all. Unless I've massively misread opinion on here? (Including some in this thread!).
Was kind of hoping to get the vocal minority to have the courage of their convictions.
Never, i don't like moyes, but he is doing the job that could be done years ago.
Cutting dead wood like rio, vidic, nani, evra, anderson etc
Agreed with keano
Cutting dead wood like rio, vidic, nani, evra, anderson etc
Agreed with keano
Unsurprisingly, the latest attention-seeking thread on the Caf - one which is baiting the 'Moyes out brigade' - has lead to a lot of very good, rational debate.
Of course, the answer is no. I want us to smash Arsenal.
Of course, the answer is no. I want us to smash Arsenal.
I admire your optimism but I think you're in a dreamland if you think Moyes will get anywhere near a title.
Ill accept most want to be proven wrong about him. But most are still making up their minds? A month ago maybe, not now.
Even if a defeat guaranteed his sacking, the season is gone. Getting someone in now isn't going to get us fourth and into the CL next season, unless there is a manager available with enough tactical nous that can win us the CL but that's still going to require a great deal of luck too. For all Moyes deserves to be sacked at this point, it can wait until the summer.
So there's absolutely no chance at all of him ever getting us near a title.
Fair enough. Then you must want us to lose tomorrow? If not. Why not? Why would you hope for a result that will prolong the agony?
There are basically three camps.
1. Get rid of Moyes now
2. Give him time to see how it pans out
3. They think he is the right manager
Regardless of which camp you are in, the Directors have given him a 6-year contract and the chances of him going in the next two seasons are remote. They will give him money in the summer to strengthen the squad and then at least one season to see progress.
That means anyone in Camp 1 has a few choices.
a) continue whining like a child for the next two years
b) go support someone else
c) get behind the manager and team
Hoping that the team lose is the weirdest type of 'support' I can imagine and smacks of playground tantrums when someone doesn't get their own way.
But my experience tells me this forum is full of childlike behaviour so I'm expecting a)
Not sure how many anti-Moyes threads we have going on here but it's "the definition of stupidity" in action.
1. Get rid of Moyes now
2. Give him time to see how it pans out
3. They think he is the right manager
Regardless of which camp you are in, the Directors have given him a 6-year contract and the chances of him going in the next two seasons are remote. They will give him money in the summer to strengthen the squad and then at least one season to see progress.
That means anyone in Camp 1 has a few choices.
a) continue whining like a child for the next two years
b) go support someone else
c) get behind the manager and team
Hoping that the team lose is the weirdest type of 'support' I can imagine and smacks of playground tantrums when someone doesn't get their own way.
But my experience tells me this forum is full of childlike behaviour so I'm expecting a)
Not sure how many anti-Moyes threads we have going on here but it's "the definition of stupidity" in action.
You were expecting poster's to desire us losing?
Like I said, I'd be okay if losing resulted in Moyes' departure from the club. I won't actively seek us to lose though. I suspect many feel similar.
Here's another question.
Who else thinks that we are gonna give our best performance of the season tomorrow?
I think we are gonna convincingly beat them.
Who else thinks that we are gonna give our best performance of the season tomorrow?
I think we are gonna convincingly beat them.
So you make a deliberately leading OP, specifically to try and catch out fans into saying how rubbish they are as fans, and when they don't all jump into your trap you call them irrational hypocrites?
This entire thread is just an elaborate way of you saying "Fans who are anti-Moyes are wrong/stupid/crap/spoiled etc"
Again
The question should be
Who wants to win tomorrow and secure mediocrity and dull football for another season ?
Who wants to win tomorrow and secure mediocrity and dull football for another season ?
Even if I had huge money riding on the opposition, and it were a friendly, for our U-18 side - I would have great difficulty in wanting the team to lose.
Also, the fact is, we can't sit around moping. As much as there is doom and gloom here, we have all (or should have all) been around the block enough times to know that we can still make the top 4. There would be no point in throwing in the towel now, we must pick ourselves up and keep fighting. 9 points is tough but we must still try, given we are in February. It isn't like there isn't presedence for such turnarounds. Stop being wimps I say and roll up our fecking sleeves.
Also, the fact is, we can't sit around moping. As much as there is doom and gloom here, we have all (or should have all) been around the block enough times to know that we can still make the top 4. There would be no point in throwing in the towel now, we must pick ourselves up and keep fighting. 9 points is tough but we must still try, given we are in February. It isn't like there isn't presedence for such turnarounds. Stop being wimps I say and roll up our fecking sleeves.
A loss would mean 7 points out of the last 21, without even including being knocked out of the League Cup and FA Cup.
I want us to destroy Arsenal, turn the season around and claw back the points giving us the form to finish 4th and challenge for the Champions League.
I want us to destroy Arsenal, turn the season around and claw back the points giving us the form to finish 4th and challenge for the Champions League.
It is an odd feeling, knowing we probably won't have anything to play for. Going for the league is enough motivation in itself, but knowing we're likely not going to make 4th, how do the players motivate themselves to play well? Weird situation altogether for United.
I would never hope for us to lose a game, but in purely black and white terms i understand what you mean in your scenario. If we're utterly convinced he isn't the man for the job and a loss tomorrow guarantees his dismissal, would we hope for one? Well as alien a concept as the one i just described is, i still can't imagine something as strange as hoping United lose.
I would never hope for us to lose a game, but in purely black and white terms i understand what you mean in your scenario. If we're utterly convinced he isn't the man for the job and a loss tomorrow guarantees his dismissal, would we hope for one? Well as alien a concept as the one i just described is, i still can't imagine something as strange as hoping United lose.
I really like this post, well said!
Actually the sooner he's shown the door the better. The earlier we can get a new manager in the quicker he can get acquainted with the players, rectify our dour football and start planning for summer transfers during a world cup summer.
The only other advantage of getting a manager now, and it would have to be an actual appointment rather than a temporary, caretaker type arrangement, would be to give them time to assess the squad so they can do the business in the summer, rather than us being back to square one and having to give the new guy a couple of windows to sort things out.
But there are no decent long term appointments to be made now so that is a moot point.
If this persists, and I expect it will to some degree, Moyes will not survive the year.
Does it make me a t0p r3d to say I want us to get beat??? Cause Moyles needs to go so anything that would make that possible sign me up!!!
You confused a fair few on here with that OP Pogue. Nice work.
I always thought being a football fan of a particular club was an irrational one. I mean in most walks of like if someone or something did something we didn't like, we would in effect stop supporting them. But that doesn't work when you get behind a club for years and decades. So in that sense it is understandable to want Moyes out and also get behind the team during matchday.
Unless of course the OP is advocating the fans boo the team at every turn tomorrow.
Unless of course the OP is advocating the fans boo the team at every turn tomorrow.
This, classic Pogue.
What sore of idiotic thread title is this? I hope we batter them.
I can't turn off emotions for probabilities game. I don't want to. Similar thing with Liverpool playing against our "rivals", when I was annoyed by multiple "how can you support Chelsea/City/Arsenal?" posts.
WTF? Spanked? Really?
Eh? There's no trap. It's a simple question.
The only accusation I've made against anyone is of being irrational. I stand by that.
I haven't commented on anyone's status as a fan. Stop being a drama queen.
Again.
This is what I was afraid of with all the moyes out nonsense, our own fans actively rooting against us. fecking embarrassing. Didn't take long for us to turn into the fans that we laughed at for all those years did it
Absolutely terrible post. I've been through the Sexton & Atkinson years (loved Big Ron fwiw) and we were shit for large periods for over 20 years. Fergies reign wasn't all glory but you could see he was changing things. Never once did I think about supporting anyone else, same as now
Moyes has come in and took over a team of champions and turned us into a mid table team. It was never going to be easy for him but you have to be some sort of special twat to manage that.
He isn't up to the job of managing United. It doesn't make me spoilt for saying that because I dont give a feck about glory.
I don't think anyone has rooted against the team. The point of the thread is that they are probably acting irrational by wanting Moyes out and also supporting the team. You can apparently only do one or the other..
I will not admit that I want to see us lose to Arsenal tomorrow.
Seriously, one would have to be daft to hold such a view. It's treasonous on its face for reasons that have already been discussed here. Making things worse rarely results in things getting better.
Moyes will finish out the season regardless of where we end up in the table. Whether he gets a second year will have nothing to do with tomorrow's result.
I don't begrudge anyone else wanting to see us lose to Arsenal for strategic reasons but I caution against adopting that line of thinking. Bad results are never good results.
Seriously, one would have to be daft to hold such a view. It's treasonous on its face for reasons that have already been discussed here. Making things worse rarely results in things getting better.
Moyes will finish out the season regardless of where we end up in the table. Whether he gets a second year will have nothing to do with tomorrow's result.
I don't begrudge anyone else wanting to see us lose to Arsenal for strategic reasons but I caution against adopting that line of thinking. Bad results are never good results.
You will find it hard to find many in camp 3.
All camp 3'ers have swiftly moved to camp 2 recently and from 2 to 1.
Well there's always a chance, heck there's a chance of Sam Allardyce winning the title in his career, but I'd wager the chances of David Moyes getting anywhere near the premier league title is slim if his track record and current performance is anything to go by.
And no I don't want United to lose. I'm a United fan and as principle I want them to win every game. I wouldn't mind the players or fans turning on Moyes if that accelerated his departure, but when the players get on the pitch its all about the pride of the club, not Moyes.
Honestly, if it was guaranteed we get a new manager in if we take a beating tomorrow, I'd take it.
As it happens, we could lose every game for the rest of the season and he'd still keep his job, so there's little point in hoping for anything other than a United win.
As it happens, we could lose every game for the rest of the season and he'd still keep his job, so there's little point in hoping for anything other than a United win.
A caretaker manager in the next month or two (say, Giggs?) would give the powers that be a few weeks/months to sound out a successor with a view to getting them on board the moment the season ends. Maybe even sooner.
This would avoid repeating the negative consequences of Moyes not starting until the beginning of last July.
That just about sums this joke of a thread up.
Let's forget about the 6 year contract. The Glazers will surely have clauses inside which will allow them to get rid of Moyes if he doesn't perform up to expectations. If he fails to get us into the CL, he's definitely off.
Not sure, I think a heavy defeat like 3 or 4 -0 could be the end of Moyes.
if he's not he man to lead us forward, and i'm 75% sure of this, then yes, i hope we lose. but as this season is pretty much a write off and we won't get anyone in good enough for the long term we may as well wait for the summer and reassess. so with that in mind i hope we win and see what happens over the coming months, which hopefully involves a marked improvement and something promising.
if this game was at the end of april and there were still no signs of a turn around or improvement then i think i'd have no qualms about losing for the greater good.
if this game was at the end of april and there were still no signs of a turn around or improvement then i think i'd have no qualms about losing for the greater good.
What? I get the feeling Moyes is the wrong man but its absurd to ever want us to lose