Liverpool

gasmanc said:
What a fucking wank pile of contestants we have this year.

It's even got these bunch of Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime in the mix :lol: best league race in years it will be touted, all down to having nobody decent enough to put this shit to bed.
R.I.P in peace Premier league
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It is a good title race this year, there are a lot of teams playing a lot of good football.
 
gasmanc said:
What a fucking wank pile of contestants we have this year.

It's even got these bunch of Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime in the mix :lol: best league race in years it will be touted, all down to having nobody decent enough to put this shit to bed.
R.I.P in peace Premier league
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To be fair, the competition is far, far greater this season compared to last.

And Liverpool clearly aren't shit despite having a susceptible defensively. Nice, rational and unbiased opinion there.
 
Saoirse. said:
It is a good title race this year, there are a lot of teams playing a lot of good football.
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It's poor, lot's of teams dropping stupid points, it's just good from your perspective because your in it, good for the neutral yea but from a point of view of quality it's poor, worse than last years showing by a margin.
Your not up there because your World beaters, you do know this.
 
Saoirse. said:
We beat Palace 3-1 the pen made it 3-0. We beat Stoke 5-3, the pen made it 3-2.
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Fair enough, the Stoke one was important still. Granted I got the Palace one wrong, I thought it made it 2-1.

It wasn't a criticism anyway, the only real criticism I can lay at Liverpool this season is to question how well the squad would have done had they been in Europe.
 
Glanville95 said:
To be fair, the competition is far, far greater this season compared to last.

And Liverpool clearly aren't shit despite having a susceptible defensively. Nice, rational and unbiased opinion there.
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How does this work ? Chelsea are poor, City are poor, Arsenal are collapsing, Liverpool having a squad of 12 decent to shit players are in it, you seem to be watching to much tv.
 
gasmanc said:
It's poor, lot's of teams dropping stupid points, it's just good from your perspective because your in it, good for the neutral yea but from a point of view of quality it's poor, worse than last years showing by a margin.
Your not up there because your World beaters, you do know this.
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I know we aren't but I think the quality of football played this year is very good, us City and Arsenal have all put in very good performances. Last year you were very good and ran away with it, but this year the rest of the top 4 are on better points than they were this time last year.
 
Saoirse. said:
I know we aren't but I think the quality of football played this year is very good, us City and Arsenal have all put in very good performances. Last year you were very good and ran away with it, but this year the rest of the top 4 are on better points than they were this time last year.
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The rest of the top four having higher point totals is irrelevant, the league is extremely weak, there are currently eleven teams, from Newcastle down, who look shit enough to get relegated.
 
Saoirse. said:
I know we aren't but I think the quality of football played this year is very good, us City and Arsenal have all put in very good performances. Last year you were very good and ran away with it, but this year the rest of the top 4 are on better points than they were this time last year.
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Consistency is terrible this year, Chelsea,United and City all accommodating new managers, Arsenal being front runners, was it really a surprise ? Your in there due to an amazing run of form and the squads with more quality stuttering for consistency,.
Always overrating yourselves, it's like a disease, you only realized you were shit 2 years ago when in reality you've been shit for 20 odd years.
 
The Football Ramble said this week how "funny" it would be if, the year after SAF left, Liverpool won the league and regained their perch... all with large thanks to an ex-Everton boss.

One things for sure, it certainly wouldn't be funny in a HAHA sort of way...
 
Annihilate Now! said:
The Football Ramble said this week how "funny" it would be if, the year after SAF left, Liverpool won the league and regained their perch... all with large thanks to an ex-Everton boss.

One things for sure, it certainly wouldn't be funny in a HAHA sort of way...
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Well its going to take a hell of a push to win 3 league titles this year but I am sure these massive nutters have a plan.
 
gasmanc said:
How does this work ? Chelsea are poor, City are poor, Arsenal are collapsing, Liverpool having a squad of 12 decent to shit players are in it, you seem to be watching to much tv.
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You can't be serious? Manchester City are inferior to last year when they had key players like Yaya Toure, Sergio Aguero and David Silva severely under-perform under the guidance of Roberto Martinez who didn't have nearly the same effect Pellegrini has had on City's quality of attacking football.

Chelsea spent half a season under a certain Roberto Di Matteo and then controversially appointed Rafael Benitez who did a reasonable job. They had a lot of the underlying problems they have today with their issues in the striking department, but their star players were still bedding into the league and team like Oscar and Hazard. Two players who have excelled under a functional, winning-machine managed by arguably the best manager in the world. Clear improvement.

Arsenal have been rejuvenated this season by the improvement of certain players like Szczesny, Ramsey and Sagna. Mertesacker and Koscielny have been - by and large - a defiant centre back duo and they have also added a world class player in Ozil who has been instrumental in their early season form. They can still be fragile, but their are a generally more resilient and formidable team than last year.

I don't even have to go into Liverpool's improvement. Yes, they have a wafer-thin squad, but it's a squad that hasn't been stretched due to no European football. Other sides shouldn't be held accountable for that, you have to factor in everything when assessing a team and Liverpool's schedule this season means not too much importance needs to be placed on the size of their season. Of course, with European football next season it's a whole different ball game however.

It defies belief that someone can suggest these sides are inferior to what they were last season. What you are saying is absolute bollocks I'm afraid.
 
Glanville95 said:
You can't be serious? Manchester City are inferior to last year when they had key players like Yaya Toure, Sergio Aguero and David Silva severely under-perform under the guidance of Roberto Martinez who didn't have nearly the same effect Pellegrini has had on City's quality of attacking football.

Chelsea spent half a season under a certain Roberto Di Matteo and then controversially appointed Rafael Benitez who did a reasonable job. They had a lot of the underlying problems they have today with their issues in the striking department, but their star players were still bedding into the league and team like Oscar and Hazard. Two players who have excelled under a functional, winning-machine managed by arguably the best manager in the world. Clear improvement.

Arsenal have been rejuvenated this season by the improvement of certain players like Szczesny, Ramsey and Sagna. Mertesacker and Koscielny have been - by and large - a defiant centre back duo and they have also added a world class player in Ozil who has been instrumental in their early season form. They can still be fragile, but their are a generally more resilient and formidable team than last year.

I don't even have to go into Liverpool's improvement. Yes, they have a wafer-thin squad, but it's a squad that hasn't been stretched due to no European football. Other sides shouldn't be held accountable for that, you have to factor in everything when assessing a team and Liverpool's schedule this season means not too much importance needs to be placed on the size of their season. Of course, with European football next season it's a whole different ball game however.

It defies belief that someone can suggest these sides are inferior to what they were last season. What you are saying is absolute bollocks I'm afraid.
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So what your saying is that these squads having underperformed under having different managers should be clearly better under different managers, well done in making no reasonable point at all and can I also congratulate you on not knowing who it was that led City to mediocrity. Excellent.

It's been shit no matter what dress you choose it to wear.
 
gasmanc said:
So what your saying is that these squads having underperformed under having different managers should be clearly better under different managers, well done in making no reasonable point at all and can I also congratulate you on not knowing who it was that led City to mediocrity. Excellent.

It's been shit no matter what dress you choose it to wear.
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Not saying all have under-performed at all, just City. Maybe you should re-read my post, because I've gone on to state the improvements the teams have made be it personnel, tactically or managerial.

The fact you don't think City, Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal haven't improved from last season is absolute horseshite. You only have to look at the statistics to realise the vast improvements they've made. All teams with flaws, but all very good sides and two of which, would competed right until the end with Manchester United of last season.
 
Glanville95 said:
Not saying all have under-performed at all, just City. Maybe you should re-read my post, because I've gone on to state the improvements the teams have made be it personnel, tactically or managerial.

The fact you don't think City, Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal haven't improved from last season is absolute horseshite. You only have to look at the statistics to realise the vast improvements they've made. All teams with flaws, but all very good sides and two of which, would competed right until the end with Manchester United of last season.
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Arsenal are a law unto themselves, they've looked incredible with Ramsey and Ozil and Arteta and Flamini , City have clearly improved on paper as have Chelsea but you can't argue the inconsistency is still alarming for top top teams, glaringly obvious if a thin as fuck Liverpool are up your arse in February is it not ?
 
gasmanc said:
Arsenal are a law unto themselves, they've looked incredible with Ramsey and Ozil and Arteta and Flamini , City have clearly improved on paper as have Chelsea but you can't argue the inconsistency is still alarming for top top teams, glaringly obvious if a thin as fuck Liverpool are up your arse in February is it not ?
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They are inconsistent, but that generally applies to most top sides in the past five years or so. The standard of the league in terms of technically players arriving and teams improving tactically is continually enhancing, so maybe top teams dropping points more frequently is something that should be considered the norm.

I think it's quite clear to see the quality of football on show has improvement from most of those top sides - possibly Chelsea aside and us of course. And as I said, Liverpool's squad is something that is relative to the amount of games they will play. It's weak, especially with attacking depth, but it's not that vital seeing as they are playing once a week.
 
gasmanc said:
Consistency is terrible this year, Chelsea,United and City all accommodating new managers, Arsenal being front runners, was it really a surprise ? Your in there due to an amazing run of form and the squads with more quality stuttering for consistency,.
Always overrating yourselves, it's like a disease, you only realized you were shit 2 years ago when in reality you've been shit for 20 odd years.
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Exactly, Chelsea and City new managers, Man United see their manager of 27 years leave and Bale leaves Spurs.... Arsenal top the table most of the year and Liverpool get CL for first time in years after being like 8th - 6th at best. RadioHead, No Surprises.
 
Absolute madness that we're even in the title race at this stage of the season. If we win it I don't know what I'll do.
 
Saoirse. said:
We beat Palace 3-1 the pen made it 3-0. We beat Stoke 5-3, the pen made it 3-2.
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The penalty you had at Stoke was a big one. Sterling handled it, not given, then raced into the box and got a pen that wasn't. Turning point in the game.

But you make your own luck. Having players run at defenders, driving into the box wins pens. Same as if you spend 80% of your games attacking, you'll surely get more pens than other sides. The myth that no one gets pens at Old Trafford and all that.

Liverpool deserve everything they're getting at the moment. Playing some good attacking football. Rodgers is more suited to winning the league than Rafa imo.
 
Liverpool have been poor away from home and out of their last 10 fixtures they have: Crystal Palace, Norwich, West Ham, Cardiff, So'ton and us all away from home.

All very tricky games at this time of the season. I could see them coming out of those fixtures with 9-10 points. Combine that with home games against Chelsea, City and Spurs.

Liverpool fans will say they've got the easiest run in, but I think it's the hardest. Playing 4 relegation candidates away from home, 2 title contenders at home and having 2 fourth place 6 pointers in your last 10 games is brutal (not to mention a good So'ton side). They are still very much fourth favourites in my book, but I wouldn't be surprised if they got third.
 
As much as I hate them, Liverpool have been the team to admire this season so far. I look at their squad and still can't believe they've been doing as well as they have. Rodgers deserves credit.

Still think they may hit a tough stretch at some point.
 
Glanville95 said:
You can't be serious? Manchester City are inferior to last year when they had key players like Yaya Toure, Sergio Aguero and David Silva severely under-perform under the guidance of Roberto Martinez who didn't have nearly the same effect Pellegrini has had on City's quality of attacking football.
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City have one more point than they did af this stage last season, a mildly worse away record and most of their hard away games still to come.
 
antihenry said:
As much as I hate them, Liverpool have been the team to admire this season so far. I look at their squad and still can't believe they've been doing as well as they have. Rodgers deserves credit.
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They have plenty of faults in the team but what they do have is a lot of goals in them which will make up for those faults and get them out of tricky situations.
 
thegregster said:
They wont win it. Not good enough. They are overrated. Too many ordinary players and they will be shown up in the long run. Plus they dont have the money to compete. Only Fergie can stop the sugar daddy clubs.
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Sorry mate, this is just wrong. Brenton has got them all singing off the same hymn sheet unfortunately. Their midfield is well structured and the front line is absolutely on fire. Their defense is dodgy to say the least, but ours was just as bad last year and we pissed the league.
They are the form team in the league at the moment. There's no reason for them to not to push on and win the thing. Credit where credit's due, they have been very good this season.
 
finneh said:
Liverpool have been poor away from home and out of their last 10 fixtures they have: Crystal Palace, Norwich, West Ham, Cardiff, So'ton and us all away from home.

All very tricky games at this time of the season. I could see them coming out of those fixtures with 9-10 points. Combine that with home games against Chelsea, City and Spurs.

Liverpool fans will say they've got the easiest run in, but I think it's the hardest. Playing 4 relegation candidates away from home, 2 title contenders at home and having 2 fourth place 6 pointers in your last 10 games is brutal (not to mention a good So'ton side). They are still very much fourth favourites in my book, but I wouldn't be surprised if they got third.
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I think that's a pretty fair assessment of our chances. Our away form simply hasn't been good enough, especially when you compare it to a lot of displays at Anfield. Only positive note is that we have a few key defenders due back soon, so hopefully that might help tighten up a shaky defence. We're not going to win the league, but I'd snatch your hand off right now for 3rd place.
 
antihenry said:
As much as I hate them, Liverpool have been the team to admire this season so far. I look at their squad and still can't believe they've been doing as well as they have. Rodgers deserves credit.

Still think they may hit a tough stretch at some point.
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He should get the managerial award this season if Liverpool fight for the league until the end of the season. They are nowhere near on quality compared to the likes of City/Chelsea but it looks that they'll be there. Would hate to see them winning the league, but credit when it is due, Rodgers is doing amazing this season.
 
coolredwine said:
They will NOT win the League.
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I hope you are right.

antihenry said:
As much as I hate them, Liverpool have been the team to admire this season so far. I look at their squad and still can't believe they've been doing as well as they have. Rodgers deserves credit.

Still think they may hit a tough stretch at some point.
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They have a manager who has them playing above themselves and in Suarez and Sturridge two strikers that can hurt teams. Its a lovely formula.
 
I can't believe that a team which has featured so much Kolo Toure is still doing so well.
 
Claymore said:
Exactly, Chelsea and City new managers, Man United see their manager of 27 years leave and Bale leaves Spurs.... Arsenal top the table most of the year and Liverpool get CL for first time in years after being like 8th - 6th at best. RadioHead, No Surprises.
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People forget that from January last year -after we'd signed Sturridge & Coutinho - our form until the end of the season was bettered only by Arsenal. & that's with Fergie still at United & Bale still at Spurs. The fact we finished as low as we did last term was down to our new manager initially struggling at the start to implement his style of play, & also the need to bring in new players to help him achieve his goal. We haven't just started playing well under Rodgers from the start of this season. It's just that quite a few of you dismissed us as a serious threat because we weren't in the mix for a top 4 place at the end of last season. Along with Coutinho, Sturridge, & Suarez, we've seen the young talent Raheem Sterling start to develop into the player we're hoping he would be. Add to that Steven Gerrard's recent form where he's given us glimpses of his world-class status.

I shouldn't be too surprised though that on a Manchester United forum, the locals would rather seek out alternative possible contributory factors to our sudden rise rather than most obvious one that stares at them right in the face.
 
retardman5 said:
People forget that from January last year -after we'd signed Sturridge & Coutinho - our form until the end of the season was bettered only by Arsenal. & that's with Fergie still at United & Bale still at Spurs. The fact we finished as low as we did last term was down to our new manager initially struggling at the start to implement his style of play, & also the need to bring in new players to help him achieve his goal. We haven't just started playing well under Rodgers from the start of this season. It's just that quite a few of you dismissed us as a serious threat because we weren't in the mix for a top 4 place at the end of last season. Along with Coutinho, Sturridge, & Suarez, we've seen the young talent Raheem Sterling start to develop into the player we're hoping he would be. Add to that Steven Gerrard's recent form where he's given us glimpses of his world-class status.

I shouldn't be too surprised though that on a Manchester United forum, the locals would rather seek out alternative possible contributory factors to our sudden rise rather than most obvious one that stares at them right in the face.
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I'd agree with most of that. But obviously enough, no team plays in a vacuum. Like any team, Liverpool's confidence will be buoyed when they see things going on at other clubs. But equally our confidence is going to be knocked when we see Liverpool playing so well and so consistently. The vast majority of it is down to Liverpool and the good work they've done/are doing but I don't think it's fair to entirely discount the other factors.
 
gasmanc said:
How does this work ? Chelsea are poor, City are poor, Arsenal are collapsing, Liverpool having a squad of 12 decent to shit players are in it, you seem to be watching to much tv.
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Yet you're as close to these poor teams as I am to a blowie from Jennifer Aniston?
 
People underestimate the quality and depth they have for a team not traveling all over Europe. It has helped them a lot.
 
retardman5 said:
People forget that from January last year -after we'd signed Sturridge & Coutinho - our form until the end of the season was bettered only by Arsenal. & that's with Fergie still at United & Bale still at Spurs. The fact we finished as low as we did last term was down to our new manager initially struggling at the start to implement his style of play, & also the need to bring in new players to help him achieve his goal. We haven't just started playing well under Rodgers from the start of this season. It's just that quite a few of you dismissed us as a serious threat because we weren't in the mix for a top 4 place at the end of last season. Along with Coutinho, Sturridge, & Suarez, we've seen the young talent Raheem Sterling start to develop into the player we're hoping he would be. Add to that Steven Gerrard's recent form where he's given us glimpses of his world-class status.

I shouldn't be too surprised though that on a Manchester United forum, the locals would rather seek out alternative possible contributory factors to our sudden rise rather than most obvious one that stares at them right in the face.
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Your 'sudden rise' to FOURTH has an awful lot to do with United's collapse allowing you, spurs and everton to battle it out for that coveted FOURTH place. Liverpool fans are gas, you're winning the race for FOURTH and of course most of you go on like you are winning the title. The reality is if United had performed at even close to last years levels there would be no battle for fourth. It would be the usual top 4. United's season is a complete anomaly, a statistical outlier, one that will be corrected next season.
 
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