Can he really be worse than Valencia or Young? I highly doubt it
Shinji Kagawa
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He's as good as gone. Such a shame.
League games. Forgot to take into account the CL ties.
I'd love to see him and mata link up, but seeing as he hasn't kicked a ball since mata arrived, I can't see it happening anytime soon.
Very much this. I was so convinced when we were on the verge of signing Mata that this was the future. How wrong I was.
That would involve a completely different type of football that I'm not sure Moyes either a) wants to play b) is capable of playing.
I'd love him to try it though! Plan A isn't working, and we're clearly not going to make top 4. It's now or never.
So I'm guessing that he wasn't injured from all of the hysteria on here?
Lets not kid ourselves lads, Kagawa has been a complete disappointment. His nose for goal at Dortmund has been basically non existent since he arrived here, and his assist stats for an attacking midfielder is awful. I'd really have loved it to have worked out, but it hasn't. Even under Fergie.
In saying that, he should at least be getting onto the bench over Fellaini. So I'm assuming he's as good as gone.
Lets not kid ourselves lads, Kagawa has been a complete disappointment. His nose for goal at Dortmund has been basically non existent since he arrived here, and his assist stats for an attacking midfielder is awful. I'd really have loved it to have worked out, but it hasn't. Even under Fergie.
In saying that, he should at least be getting onto the bench over Fellaini. So I'm assuming he's as good as gone.
Now that it's slowly starting to sink in that Kagawa doesn't have a future here as long as Moyes remains in charge, I've started to become more sad than angry. Someone should make a Kagawa compilation with sad violin music and post it in "The manly tears thread" in the general forum
If Moyes stays on as manager, I think it's likely Kagawa will never start a game for us again. Moyes has shown himself to completely alienate players he does not have plans for. Zaha, Fábio, and Anderson have all been ignored or used as a last resort until their departure, and I fear Kagawa is Moyes' latest victim.
What a shame, because, like Fábio, this talented player could have had an important future for us.
What a shame, because, like Fábio, this talented player could have had an important future for us.
He's largely been deployed from a wide position and it hasn't helped at all. I just hope we don't see the same thing with Mata.
Mata already has three assists and should have had one or two more today. He's clearly going to improve us massively once he beds in fully.
I hope you're right!
It was pretty obvious the Mata signing was going to be bad for him individually, he was struggling to get into the team as it was.
Now thats taking it too far IMO. Kagawa´s first season was overall decent and showed some promise. This was especially true, if we take his circumstances (his injury, new league, new system, new position) into account. Anyone who believed that he would just continue where he left off at Dortmund was kidding himself. The respective setups are basically polar opposites.
Now, this season was basically one big clusterfeck for him. This does come down partly to him, but to a greater extend this is an example for some pretty large amount of mismanagement on Moyes´ part.
I said it before in this thread. If you expect a player to change his play style in order to adapt to a new setup/system then you have to give him playtime to do so. In terms of that he was never given a fair chance in the EPL as far as I´m concerned. Not only did he have 3 spells of 4-5 league games, when he did not feature at all, he also went back and forth between playing on the left flank and doing so more centrally. He needs to stick with one position/role or otherwise the adaption has little to no chance of being successful.
As it stands right now, Kagawa is basically frozen out of the team, which leads me to one big question: Why is he still there? If the little amount of trust Moyes put into Kagawa while Rooney and/or RvP were injured was not a big enough indication of his lack of future at the club the Mata transfer had to be the last nail in the coffin. If United would plan with Kagawa he would be on a loan right now, preferably in a similar system as United´s. He is not magically going to fit into place by having no game time whatsoever.
Kagawa will be gone in the summer and I don´t think it will be relevant, who the manager will be at the time. This is at least what I would do if I would put myself in his shoes. He is now looking forward to a World Cup as one of his countries´ brightest hopes while having no perspective of quality game time at his club. This is a situation, which can´t continue in the next years or he will be wasting a considerable part of his career.
Aw, someone didn't watch the video.
So Kagawa being ostracized from the squad seemingly seals his fate. I've almost accepted the fact he won't be here next, as another poster has said; Moyes tends to alienate players from the squad over time that he doesn't take a shining too. For whatever reason he prefers Young and Valencia, but I am positive Kagawa will be a huge success at another club.
I don't necessarily agree with the notion that Mata's arrival spelled the end for Kagawa. In fact, I thought it was the type of signing that could have revitalized Kagawa and seen him combine to great effect with a technical player like Mata. A signing that would have seen a shift in our style, but whether Moyes is incapable of incorporating that is a different matter.
I don't necessarily agree with the notion that Mata's arrival spelled the end for Kagawa. In fact, I thought it was the type of signing that could have revitalized Kagawa and seen him combine to great effect with a technical player like Mata. A signing that would have seen a shift in our style, but whether Moyes is incapable of incorporating that is a different matter.
This is fecking ridiculous, when the likes of Young starts ahead of him.
It seems bizarre that we can't get him onto the pitch and playing regular first team football. I dont doubt his obvious class, but they way it looks, he doesnt have a future with United, which is a pity.
Yet he is travelling around Europe to learn from other teams...
Buttner makes the bench ahead of him. Imagine that for a second....
He's the only LB cover we have. As much as I'm shocked Kagawa didnt make the bench, he wasnt going to make it ahead of Buttner
And a second goalie was included ahead of Kagawa who is third or 4th choice for his favored position. Go figure.
Do you really believe we need 2 defenders on the bench?
Yes. Absolutely. Are you suggesting we should have had either Rio or Buttner?
Have only Rio- Screwed if Evra injured
Have only Buttner- Screwed if anyone but Evra injured.
Did anyone really think that signing Mata would lead to more minutes for Kagawa? He'll be gone in the summer, and could prove to be very useful as a bargaining tool if we try to sign a Dortmund player.
Rather I'm suggesting Rio was enough, Buttner is useless even if you get to field him. But to be fair to him though I'll admit I'm just biased against the fella...
Frankly any time you have more than one defender screwed. For that limits your sub options considerably.....
I have doubts about that
His value must have plummeted, specially due to lack of game time this season. So he's unlikely to be a big bargaining chip.
He's useless, I agree but still the only LB we have bar Evra which pretty much guarantees him a spot on the bench.
--------------------DE GEA----------------
RAFAEL-----JONES-------VIDIC-----EVRA
---------CARRICK--------CLEVERLEY------
-----MATA-------KAGAWA------ADNAN---
--------------------- RVP--------------------
RAFAEL-----JONES-------VIDIC-----EVRA
---------CARRICK--------CLEVERLEY------
-----MATA-------KAGAWA------ADNAN---
--------------------- RVP--------------------
Bench: Rooney, Chicharito, Nani, Valencia, Fellaini, Smalling, Evans.
I'm hoping to see this team get a run of games before the season ends (Won't happen most likely, due to Moyes). It's a huge decision to leave Rooney out seeing that he is the team's engine when he gets going.. but he lacks in first touch, control and off the ball movement. The team above is without doubt the most fluid team we can get from the squad (Nani for one of the three behind RVP is also an option). Cleverley in a Ramires type role will have to put in a huge shift. Evans for Vidic if we want to go for a full ball playing backline.
That bench is excellent as well.
It breaks my heart that we wont ever see that line up, ever.
This guy over Rooney??! GTFO..
The second Klopp takes him back send him to Dortmund no takesies backsies..
The second Klopp takes him back send him to Dortmund no takesies backsies..
So everyone complains about Mata playing wide and yet now people want an inferior player in Kagawa to play in the hole ahead of him.
His crossing with his left foot is very impressive. Far more creative than Young and Valencia who both should be squad players at the most.
I think its obvious to have Mata in the middle and Kagawa having to play the role wide. However we're unlikely to see the two of them on the pitch together
I'd go for Evans over Vidic but that team looks brilliant. I don't think we need anywhere near the level of rebuilding the media is making out, to be competitive again. Just a fresh approach.
The likelihood is that Mata will be a permanent fixture, which can only cut down Kagawa's game time unless he reinvents himself.
Did anyone count how many guilt edge chances he created there, I lost count.
Did anyone count how many of those chances were put away by our 'world class' attack, zero, none, zilch.
Would love to know what happened him here....He wasn't good last year either. Was average at best
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