Depends which one. Hopefully Reus
Shinji Kagawa
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Who? The only realistic targets are Gündogan and Subotic, who will have been injured for the majority of the season in the Summer.
Surprisingly Kagawa has started more matches and played more minutes than Young this season. Wouldn't figure that from reading stuff on here.
All of them.
That's the spirit.
Perhaps so, yet why devalue the player you wish to offer in part-exchange?
True and a very good point but it does seem that more recently Kagawa is starting to be frozen out completely. Hasn't even come off the bench for ages now. Don't think he's played since we bought in Mata, who is (to some extent) an upgrade on Kagawa.
He's actually quite good at putting the ball into the box. And if asked to stand wide and lump the ball he could obviously do that. I could do that. Why couldnt he?
Youngs been injured for a fair bit but the difference is games in a row. Young has had a few chance to get a run of form, Valencia has had pretty much 2 years now, but kagawa has had like that one run of 4 games or so where he did well but was right back on the bench in the next game. He can't do anything to stay in the team in moyes' eyes.
Starting Young ahead of Kagawa is alright in my book. He's not done too badly of late and has done more than Kagawa.
Valencia wouldn't get a game for fecking Wigan and yet he keeps on getting the nod ahead of Kagawa who's done very well in the CL this season.
Valencia wouldn't get a game for fecking Wigan and yet he keeps on getting the nod ahead of Kagawa who's done very well in the CL this season.
Was it reported that they sat down and talked? Culture-wise, it's extremely unlikely Kagawa would have knocked on Moyes' door.
Shinji Kagawa sits on the sidelines in place of Ashley Young and Antonio Valencia in only ONE football club on this planet.
So fecking frustrating.
So fecking frustrating.
Was hoping to see Kagawa, Rooney and Januzaj linking up today. Oh well.
This is something which i thought would happen as soon as i heard that Moyes was going to be the United manager. It just seemed so obvious that he would try and deploy his wingers/wing-backs in that way yet he seems to have tried to 'follow the United way' in the sense of being persistent with out and out wingers like in the game tonight.
I feel sorry for Kagawa. Yeah, he hasn't been amazing in his time at United but when has he ever had the chance to be? He has a really good game or two and then he's completely shut out of the side with little reason. It's frustrating even as a neutral, considering he is a really talented player.
There is really no other manager in the world who would pick a lineup like this, when we have these players available. It's just annoying.
Don't get me wrong I'd like to see him play a bit more too but the constant drivel of him never getting a chance and Young always playing is quite clearly bollocks. A common theme on here is believing Young and Valencia are the same people.
Kagawa has been out with illnesses too. Kagawa played 9 matches from the end of October to start of December and other then looking decent in a couple CL matches he did nothing. Young also has more goals, assists, wins penalties and overall been not much worse than Kagawa. Again Valencia and Young are not the same people.
I feel like he just doesn't understand what the united way is, sure we've always played with width, but our wingers have always been tricky, attacking first and exciting wingers who like roaming. Valencia is one of the very few who do nothing but stand on the touch line and cross it in every time they get it.
Yeah, personally if januzaj is out I would have started young and kagawa, because young at least tries to vary it up occasionally and can do something going forward. Playing them both together is just way too defensive, and that's the problem here. Kagawa has largely been decent, he's never been complete shit really. He has games where he's ineffective and doesn't do much but that's more due to the style.
With how the first six months went i am assuming that they spoke at some point, and Mata's arrival could only have have raised further concerns with Kagawa.
It has reached the point where the journalists need to start doing their job and question Moyes on the matter. Why has an otherwise fit player gone virtually unused for five weeks? Why has he decided to waste the investment which the club so recently made?
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Feel for him when young and valencia are starting ahead of him. Moyes is an idiot.
Which makes it even more weird. Mirallas is exactly the type of winger you describe and which Moyes was the one to buy, plus our system of Baines/Pienaar and Mirallas/Coleman with the wing-backs bombing forward was extremely effective. Rafael should be starting every game so he can be utilised in the same way as Coleman.
There's no doubt in my mind that Januzaj or Kagawa/Evra and Mata/Rafael (or something similar) could work in a system which we have been using the last 2 seasons. We have the better full-backs but you have the better attacking players. If Zaha ends up fulfilling his potential then it could shift to Zaha/Rafael and Mata would move into the middle and Rooney up top.
Sorry if that post is confusing to read.
Yep I would have probably gone with Kagawa and Valencia myself simply because Valencia has actually played quite good in the CL this year. I don't like playing two of Young, Valencia or even Welbeck either. Someone like Kagawa who comes in and connects the play is beneficial.
It is just the way some act like he never plays and Young plays every match which is a bit annoying and that we'd win every match if Kagawa played. Also the constant combining of Valencia and Young as if they are a combo or same person.
I really don't want him to leave but with this it's really over. What would pain me the most is, seeing him being sold, doing fantastic elsewhere and we'll look again like fools because we didn't manage to get the best out of him.
Kagawa please go before Moyes ruins you like he has done to most of our players..
And now he throws him on.
Good luck shinji
I'm sure he's well motivated.
Done well since coming on
Did more when he came on than Valencia. Created one chance and got Evra to that legendary byline in that move around the end of the game.
Opened them up twice since coming on, shouldn't really be significant but I don't think we opened them up once other than them two instances.
Apart from Pogue and charleysurf, everyone agrees we look more threatening going forward with him in the side, right?
We are better with him and since we couldn't play Mata, it was just dumb not to start him. Even Rooney ( Moyes' main man) has a good understanding with him
Was kind of hoping he'd score and run up to moyes with the ear cupping celebration...
Still did very well though. Showed he should be playing, as any sane person can see.
Still did very well though. Showed he should be playing, as any sane person can see.
The man has hardly played and still looks thrice the footballer compared to most of our squad...
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He was involved in the only bit of quality from United in the whole game, near the end.
He was involved in the only bit of quality from United in the whole game, near the end.
See you in a month, Shinji.
When he leaves this summer I will be gutted as a United fan, but delighted as a Kagawa fan. He deserves better than this.
Was excellent on the ball. His close control is so good he often beat their press with a couple of intelligent touches.
Won't see him again for a month. Moyes' treatment of Kagawa is one of the things I find most frustrating about our situation. That and that he's been exceptionally poor as manager of Manchester United.
Won't see him again for a month. Moyes' treatment of Kagawa is one of the things I find most frustrating about our situation. That and that he's been exceptionally poor as manager of Manchester United.
It's beyond a joke. Our best player on the pitch during his 30 mins.
I hope he bangs Moyes' daughter and nails it on his tactics blackboard before he goes.
On a more serious note, I guarantee you every single person involved in top-level football has zero respect for DM at the moment. In the PL, yes Kagawa's got some issues that need addressing. But in Europe the situation is the complete opposite - he's the first name on the teamsheet. He's the type of player that automatically puts any opposition manager in the world into defend-first mode.
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